Backhand modern weight transfer technique: loading on dominant leg. What do you think or prefer?

[victormanriquey]

When I started playing TT, I got told that forehand and fast feet was the only thing I needed, so I did not learnt backhand correctly in the first 2 years.

Then I realised that advice was wrong, specially looking at modern TT games, and starting learning how to attack on BH. But after talking to coaches and seeing online videos, there was back then no agreement on whether I should do the weight transfer:

• From the dominant leg with an inwards recoil and then forward like a flick, like this video:
• From non-dominant leg to dominant leg like this video:
• Or don't use much hip like anders lind says in his videos, only when you are far from the table and keep the arm high:

I started like the second video, I felt more comfortable and relaxed this way, but since 1y year ago or so I started trying the loading on dominant leg framework, and since then I'm really happy with that and have significantly improved my BH and the rhythm/stance/recovery overall, I feel it's now much easier to connect FH and BH.

I'd love to hear your opinions on this fascinating topic, there is probably no right or wrong answer, but I've been making a curated list of technique videos here and would like to discuss the topic as nowadays people ask me about this a fair amount, most people are surprised when they see the loading on the dominant leg And to be concrete, I'm not referring to the technique on short balls here, that's always on dominant leg, I'm referring to normal long balls

Thanks!

 

[Ultravisitor]

Personally I use the third method presented by Lind. IMO it depends on the equipment if extra power from hip is needed. Right now I use rozena on bh. It's so bouncy that I don't need to engage hips much. With glayzer or chinese rubbers on bh I use hips more to access higher gears.

 

[Zezima]

Technique is a beginning but in the end everyone has to figure out himself to adjust and produce the quality they want.

What matters ultimatively is are you happy with the lets say the pace and spin you put into the ball? As long as you understand the whip motion with hand everything else is just about how much forwards you want to go into the ball.
When you talk about legs as long as the legs help you keep stable while transferring the energy forward its enough.

If we are in position to hit the ball then:
99% is about swingpath/angle/timing and wrist/forearm acceleration(whip). Thats how most pros loop.
There are People who have strong bh whip that do 0 core workout and have a beer belly. Not saying core doesn't help but it's def not the foundation.

99,9% in this forum me included are scared and/or dont have the consistency to loop with the power that you can achieve with the forearm and wrist alone. And else they go for a faster setup if they need more.

 

[Lazer]

The game is so fast so in a real situation there is no time to do it 100% right. I find myself just using the arm in match situations…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

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Just curious, what method is this middle age beer belly club uncle who does not purposely do core training using? Ander’s? Chinese Lady’s or Chinese dude? Just curious…
NB: The vid by Andreas Levenko to tighten the core at each stroke greatly influence my bh stroke.

 

[blahness]

It is situational. The most important is to use the hip rotation to power and control the ball. Most of the time it is clockwise, except when switching down the line.

 

[Lazer]

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Just curious, what method is this middle age beer belly club uncle who does not purposely do core training using? Ander’s? Chinese Lady’s or Chinese dude? Just curious…
NB: The vid by Andreas Levenko to tighten the core at each stroke greatly influence my bh stroke.

That’s a prime example of child abuse…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

That’s a prime example of child abuse…

Cheers
L-zr

Just for context; this happened during an open category local tourney. Anyone can play including mid life unker with Heineken certified beer gut included.

 

[victormanriquey]

Personally I use the third method presented by Lind. IMO it depends on the equipment if extra power from hip is needed. Right now I use rozena on bh. It's so bouncy that I don't need to engage hips much. With glayzer or chinese rubbers on bh I use hips more to access higher gears.

Yes I see this in some of our best club players, they indeed have fairly fast blades and rubbers. And indeed, as a hybrid chinese rubber player myself I agree they do require more body/hips to work

 

[victormanriquey]

If we are in position to hit the ball then:

This is a very important point and given the small timing/positioning window the BH has, often it matters more than the use of the full body at the low levels.

99,9% in this forum me included are scared and/or dont have the consistency to loop with the power that you can achieve with the forearm and wrist alone. And else they go for a faster setup if they need more.

I do find a pity to go with a faster setup because yes, the attack can be the better with worse technique but control and defense, which is also part of the game, suffer

 

[victormanriquey]

Just curious, what method is this middle age beer belly club uncle who does not purposely do core training using? Ander’s? Chinese Lady’s or Chinese dude? Just curious…

Hahaha I think it's mostly up/down with use of the forearm, I guess we can add a fourth style xD Btw, for sure this up and down is not ideal for your knees and for power generation but hey if it works it works

 

[victormanriquey]

Just for context; this happened during an open category local tourney. Anyone can play including mid life unker with Heineken certified beer gut included.

You see, this is the problem when you drink Heineken, all dutchies can tell you is kattenpis hahaha but let's leave the argument with hertog jan for another day outside of this forum, perfect for the community event evening

 

[sebi]

When I have more time and do it against backspin always try to use hip and feet.

Counterspin or spinning against block i usually dont have the time and just use my arm.

 

[NextLevel]

When I started playing TT, I got told that forehand and fast feet was the only thing I needed, so I did not learnt backhand correctly in the first 2 years.

Then I realised that advice was wrong, specially looking at modern TT games, and starting learning how to attack on BH. But after talking to coaches and seeing online videos, there was back then no agreement on whether I should do the weight transfer:

• From the dominant leg with an inwards recoil and then forward like a flick, like this video:
• From non-dominant leg to dominant leg like this video:
• Or don't use much hip like anders lind says in his videos, only when you are far from the table and keep the arm high:

I started like the second video, I felt more comfortable and relaxed this way, but since 1y year ago or so I started trying the loading on dominant leg framework, and since then I'm really happy with that and have significantly improved my BH and the rhythm/stance/recovery overall, I feel it's now much easier to connect FH and BH.

I'd love to hear your opinions on this fascinating topic, there is probably no right or wrong answer, but I've been making a curated list of technique videos here and would like to discuss the topic as nowadays people ask me about this a fair amount, most people are surprised when they see the loading on the dominant leg And to be concrete, I'm not referring to the technique on short balls here, that's always on dominant leg, I'm referring to normal long balls

Thanks!

Your compilation page has a lot of videos that I have shared with people and I am pretty familiar with. Good job. Maybe @Zezima can use it to think about his technique. Maybe you can add this short to it as well in the backhand section.

 

[NextLevel]

Your compilation page has a lot of videos that I have shared with people and I am pretty familiar with. Good job. Maybe @Zezima can use it to think about his technique. Maybe you can add this short to it as well in the backhand section.

For anyone who is curious what Dima does with different orientations ("the general unsheathes the sword" technique) is the only powerful way to play a backhand topspin though with different degrees of preparation and power. I would argue that all other methods are inferior and that all good backhands do it even when they don't think they are.

 

[riemsesy]

Yes I see this in some of our best club players, they indeed have fairly fast blades and rubbers. And indeed, as a hybrid chinese rubber player myself I agree they do require more body/hips to work

Didn’t know you are hybrid Chinese. You just look like a Dutch cheese head.
🤣

 

[Zezima]

Your compilation page has a lot of videos that I have shared with people and I am pretty familiar with. Good job. Maybe @Zezima can use it to think about his technique. Maybe you can add this short to it as well in the backhand section.

Na it's not a good technique to learn for me. I find even my technique is too big and I want to shorten it more.

 

[victormanriquey]

When I have more time and do it against backspin always try to use hip and feet.

Counterspin or spinning against block i usually dont have the time and just use my arm.

Yes this is very common and not bad per se, if I don't have time or for a counterloop I usually focus on arm too

 

[victormanriquey]

Your compilation page has a lot of videos that I have shared with people and I am pretty familiar with. Good job. Maybe @Zezima can use it to think about his technique. Maybe you can add this short to it as well in the backhand section.

Ah! This video is excellent @NextLevel thank you, I will add it now

And thanks for the kind words, they are my favorite videos, I check daily on youtube from a lot of channels and from time to time really great videos appear, those I save and add to a playlist, now on the site

 

[victormanriquey]

For anyone who is curious what Dima does with different orientations ("the general unsheathes the sword" technique) is the only powerful way to play a backhand topspin though with different degrees of preparation and power. I would argue that all other methods are inferior and that all good backhands do it even when they don't think they are.

Yes this is my experience as well from a speed and spin standpoint after trying all different methods during the last years while I was trying to learn BH