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im a little surprised to see people use skyline in this era haha, everyone i see mainly uses hurricane and butterfly so its a nice change, is skyline harder than h3?
I'll have to see how my Skyline 2 Blue Sponge sounds tomorrow night. I used to get a really loud cracking when I had my Boosted VICTAS Triple Double Extra on a Fan Zhendong Super ALC CS, so interested to see with my Boosted S2BS on Hurricane Hao III CS.
 
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im a little surprised to see people use skyline in this era haha, everyone i see mainly uses hurricane and butterfly so its a nice change, is skyline harder than h3?
Some comments I've seen say the topsheet is harder and is tackier, which I can confirm it's true since I used Skyline 2 Commerical and Hurricane 3 37° together at one point. The lower throw angle is what I really like about it, which got me curious about the DHS H2 since it's supposed to have a low throw angle (maybe lower than Skyline 2? Don't really know).
 
It's a relatively niche product because most people use H3 instead, but they exist. Here in AU there's a few shops stocking it.

The part number starts with G on some of the National ones so they may even be making export versions. Some of my H3 start with G, some don't; it's supposedly the export marking for "Global". I don't know if it signifies lower quality anymore like the old "export" marking did. They go for about 120AUD which is roughly as much as a STAR National NEO H3 sheet, jeez.

Considering they haven't updated the NEO H2 package and they seem to only produce small amounts of it, I feel like it might be on the way out, though.
Well, I decided to buy a DHS N301 blade with DHS H2 AND DHS H3N 37°. The HH3 setup right now feels really off and I definitely got a bad blade. It's a huge difference from when I bought the 1st one early 2025, and I have a very similar setup, so I know it's not the rubbers that are the issue. I'm actually really looking forward to H2, but if I decide to stick with it, then I can't buy it only from TT11 since the shipping is very expensive.
 
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Well, I decided to buy a DHS N301 blade with DHS H2 AND DHS H3N 37°. The HH3 setup right now feels really off and I definitely got a bad blade. It's a huge difference from when I bought the 1st one early 2025, and I have a very similar setup, so I know it's not the rubbers that are the issue. I'm actually really looking forward to H2, but if I decide to stick with it, then I can't buy it only from TT11 since the shipping is very expensive.
The B2 I got plays well in low and high power, but it has some weird region near 40-60% power (drives, normal loops, fast pushes) where the throw angle becomes basically 0, it becomes SUPER fast and there's no spin. It's faster than any outer blade with tensors I've ever tried, by a lot. I think it's defective lol.

Good old DHS blade QC. 😊
 
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The B2 I got plays well in low and high power, but it has some weird region near 40-60% power (drives, normal loops, fast pushes) where the throw angle becomes basically 0, it becomes SUPER fast and there's no spin. It's faster than any outer blade with tensors I've ever tried, by a lot. I think it's defective lol.

Good old DHS blade QC. 😊
This was interesting to read. I'll have to update you about my experience whenever I get it, but worse case I just go back to Skyline 2.
 
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This was interesting to read. I'll have to update you about my experience whenever I get it, but worse case I just go back to Skyline 2.
For reference I tried ZJK ALC, Harimoto ALC, Viscaria, FZD ALC and ZJK Original Carbon and all of those are slower than my B2 with my H3 BS, even with tensors like Dignics 05 and K3. Not by a little, by like 20-30%. Crazy.

Hard to trust opinions about some equipment online when you never know who just got a defective or very out of spec one.
 
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That normal National is actually a blue sponge; seems to be some export version judging by the markings. The PN ends in "B" and it sure is blue.
 
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That normal National is actually a blue sponge; seems to be some export version judging by the markings. The PN ends in "B" and it sure is blue.
Did you really win the lottery?

The Star National version is very good in my experience. I wouldn't buy another version for forehand these days, it's also quite durable so worth it.
 
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The Star National version is very good in my experience. I wouldn't buy another version for forehand these days, it's also quite durable so worth it.
I wish, but between some sales recently and 11.11, this is what I've collected. Should be good for a while. I bought too much, but eh, I have zip bags to store them in.

I noticed a difference between National and Provincial blue sponge. National is faster without a spin penalty in higher impact shots and without a spin penalty in serving. National also measures 2deg softer on the topsheet for the same sponge hardness at least on the sheets I have. It's subtle but I don't think I'm making it up.

If STAR is even more like that then for someone at my level it's not worth it per-se, but buying it on sale is not much more than what an ESN tensor would go for, and less than Dignics or Tenergy.

The XP one I bought is cheaper than the others and 41A seems to be my sweet spot so I might buy more of that once all of these run out if I really find a benefit to it.

I'll probably try the ML one some day, but not this year. :p
 
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That normal National is actually a blue sponge; seems to be some export version judging by the markings. The PN ends in "B" and it sure is blue.
Are there any differences between National Neo and National Non-Neo? On PROTT, Non-Neo are usually cheaper than Neo, but don't really understand tbh
 
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Are there any differences between National Neo and National Non-Neo? On PROTT, Non-Neo are usually cheaper than Neo, but don't really understand tbh
I bought those to find out.

I'm pretty sure it's a slightly lower quality bin seeing as they only come in 2.2mm and are probably made by an OEM. Also unboosted and unglued obviously.

The "pro version" non-NEO National comes in 2.10mm and is just different, not something you can really get your hands on.
 
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That normal National is actually a blue sponge; seems to be some export version judging by the markings. The PN ends in "B" and it sure is blue.
Update on this:

The non-NEO National blue sponge with the blue sponge text is from Table Tennis World Store and is produced in 2026-08.

The non-NEO National blue sponge without the text is from Global Sports Store and is produced in 2015-04 (!).
Very strange because my experience with their other rubbers has been better, and they've never sent me anything older than half a year.

I'm gonna ask for a partial refund or something because they sent me a museum piece that is probably brittle and hard by now, but I'd honestly wanna keep it just for the scientific value to see what it measures as and how it plays.
 
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Skyline 2 vs Skyline 3

Here's a good thread that explains it pretty well. Personally, I prefer Skyline 2 over Skyline 3.
Provincial TG3 BS is the spiniest rubber that I have. Own 2 rubbers, and they are of better topseet quality than the provincial H3 BS. Less surface oxidation and better grip. Unfortunately, the sponge hardness is all over the place. Currently, I am waiting for TG2 BS. In theory, it will be even spinier, but let's see.
 
Provincial TG3 BS is the spiniest rubber that I have. Own 2 rubbers, and they are of better topseet quality than the provincial H3 BS. Less surface oxidation and better grip. Unfortunately, the sponge hardness is all over the place. Currently, I am waiting for TG2 BS. In theory, it will be even spinier, but let's see.
I definitely prefer TG2 BS over TG3 BS. I'm not sure what about TG3 BS, but I just never enjoyed it like I do with TG3 BS or H3. I'm using the TG2 BS right now and I've given a lot of my opponents a hard time blocking slow spinny loops, and that's with a defective blade I unfortunately am using 😢 I boosted it a lot since last time I used it, I didn't boost it enough and it didn't play nearly as good as it does now. Hopefully you enjoy it a lot 🙂
 
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Gotta say I appreciate the data cards on DHS blades and I'll pay more attention to them in the future when buying. If I had known the specs for B2, I'd not have bought one and went for the XP acB instead.

Interestingly I skipped on the acB because I thought it'd be much faster than B2 judging by the composition, but it's probably the opposite, with B2 probably having a 300mm+ bounce height, while acB is closer to 220! HL5 are 310+ as well. HL3 are 210-220 or so. That's a big difference!

The elasticity number is harder to understand, other than higher is more elastic as far as I can tell. The blades with higher bounce heights have a higher %.

A clubmate tried my B2 and told me it's unplayable with how fast it is, and he recommended the acB if I want a similar form factor, having tried it himself. The above data would support that. I'll definitely keep the acB in mind in the future whenever I go carbon again, because DHS handles are ideal for me.
 
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For reference I tried ZJK ALC, Harimoto ALC, Viscaria, FZD ALC and ZJK Original Carbon and all of those are slower than my B2 with my H3 BS, even with tensors like Dignics 05 and K3. Not by a little, by like 20-30%. Crazy.

Hard to trust opinions about some equipment online when you never know who just got a defective or very out of spec one.
Indeed hard to trust opinions haha. To me, the BTY blade you described, especially the outer carbon one felt faster than the B2. Because mine felt fast but probably similar to a Ma Lin carbon, a bit faster than a clipper. Either you had a fast one, or I got a slow one. I enjoyed it, it was controllable.
 
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I definitely prefer TG2 BS over TG3 BS. I'm not sure what about TG3 BS, but I just never enjoyed it like I do with TG3 BS or H3. I'm using the TG2 BS right now and I've given a lot of my opponents a hard time blocking slow spinny loops, and that's with a defective blade I unfortunately am using 😢 I boosted it a lot since last time I used it, I didn't boost it enough and it didn't play nearly as good as it does now. Hopefully you enjoy it a lot 🙂
Tg2 makes sense if you play Penhold nowadays. I don't think the OS prov is still available, but for shake hands the BS TG2 felt off. Too low throw, and long. Did not work with the shakehands technic. When I used the Penhold grip, it felt better indeed. It makes sense for the TG2 to produce a better ball than TG3. Tg2 was designed for close to table 3rd ball attack. Whereas the TG3 was design for repetitive topspin mid distance. (Tg2 was developed with Ma Lin, and TG3 with Wang Hao). Tg3 is "easier" but the ball is not as good quality as TG2. Xu Xin played TG2 if I am not mistaken.
 
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Indeed hard to trust opinions haha. To me, the BTY blade you described, especially the outer carbon one felt faster than the B2. Because mine felt fast but probably similar to a Ma Lin carbon, a bit faster than a clipper. Either you had a fast one, or I got a slow one. I enjoyed it, it was controllable.
Mine seems like a freak example. I think maybe it was pressed too hard and the core is very preloaded. It feels like the carbon kicks in much earlier than it should. Feel is super solid and I think the elasticity must be close to 90% in some stroke speeds. Feels like a steel plate with 0 spin if you hit through the sponge at all.

I received a HL5 with high stats but I'm deliberating between returning it or just trying it for science. If it's like the B2 then everyone just has a weird impression about it, but if it's much slower and more absorbent, that'd be interesting indeed. I don't think I can use a HL5 anyway so I'll likely return it and not have it sit around, but...
 
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