How to play against good close to the table players?

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How to play against those who stay close to the table and have good blocks and good control and they tend to hit the corners all the time and you can't attack them because their block is so good that you don't manage to do two attacks in a row?
Also, how to play against those who tend to do pushes all the time? I know someone who plays with a fast equipment(Primorac carbon and D80) but does only pushes(a paradox for me) and fast serves and basically can't attack? It's hard to attack against him because his pushes are pretty good.

What tactics to consider or what to consider in such cases?
 
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You need to be smart, our sport is for intelligent people, so you have to be creative and use your skills to avoid their strong game, if you don't have enough or more skills than them you need to improve.

For example if you don't have enough FH & BH skills and you need to rotate to made always FH from the BH corner you are opening the chances to receive a good block to your long FH side.

You need to improve the several ways to made a top spin, slow, high, short, long, side, etc. and the placement.

Against only push players again variation is the key, not play only long or only short or only in the middle of the table, use angles to return the ball with a opener top spin or a strong push going to the sides of the table, move the opponent to receive a easy ball to attack strong.

About fast serves you can't attack, why not, you have to be prepared all the time to receive a long serve like I do so not surprise surprise, also try to not apply power to this kind of serve better do a drive or a small soft spin look for only concentrate to return the ball where is more confident for you and more dangerous for him.

About pushes long with a lot of backspin to do top spin you need to use Chinese technique, see the video.

Also very important: quality serves to attack 3rd ball or next & quality receives to avoid to be attacked.

 
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Hi!
How to play against those who stay close to the table and have good blocks and good control and they tend to hit the corners all the time and you can't attack them because their block is so good that you don't manage to do two attacks in a row?
Also, how to play against those who tend to do pushes all the time? I know someone who plays with a fast equipment(Primorac carbon and D80) but does only pushes(a paradox for me) and fast serves and basically can't attack? It's hard to attack against him because his pushes are pretty good.

What tactics to consider or what to consider in such cases?
If they stay close to table I try to get upper hand which means fast balls where they don't expect it. Then you will get easier blocks and eventually a ball you can kill. Once you let them get upper hand you are dead.

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Play fast, long and spiny services. Your goal is table edge. When looping, try to change directions. A fast smash is a winning point if your opponent is near the table. Learn to do flicks and chikitas to underspin balls. That is a nightmare for every pusher. If you let them play their game, you will lose.
 
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With such players, you need to try to hit as close to the edge of the table as possible, while the optimal point for receiving such balls will also become further from the table, and your opponents will have two options: either stay close and catch the ball from the half-volley, and make a lot of mistakes, or move away from the table, where you must prove yourself.
 
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Work out if they are good at blocking fast hard shots or slower spinny shots. Then use whichever one they are bad at with very high quality to open up.
These players often want you to open the rally but with lower quality so they can start their pushing game but as he cannot attack you can also push and take your time to wait for a good shot to open up

Once you work out which type of shot goes past them its up to you to get to that win condition he may even give

we have a young player at our club who is an excellent rallyer when driving or looping near the table hits multiple huge shots on in a row and loves to counter open ups but he struggles when you give a really good low opener so I push more against him than most to set up for the big big shot to end it.
 
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So much advise here for you from all others 😂

I think in reality we have different ideas and strategies on how to beat opponents and these ideas are probably based on what works for us - or what we think works.

Based of off what you wrote I would simply say - he sounds like a better player right now and that is why you are having difficulties. He seems to be the one controlling the game.

Keep on practicing and playing and you will improve my friend 😎

Try different tactics, see what works for you

All the best 🙌
 
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I almost forgot, it is important to move back half a step from your usual position at the table. This way the trajectory of the ball will become longer, even if you do not hit the edge of the opponent's table. In addition, this will immediately give you time. The game will change immediately, try it!
 
You need to be smart, our sport is for intelligent people, so you have to be creative and use your skills to avoid their strong game, if you don't have enough or more skills than them you need to improve.

For example if you don't have enough FH & BH skills and you need to rotate to made always FH from the BH corner you are opening the chances to receive a good block to your long FH side.

You need to improve the several ways to made a top spin, slow, high, short, long, side, etc. and the placement.

Against only push players again variation is the key, not play only long or only short or only in the middle of the table, use angles to return the ball with a opener top spin or a strong push going to the sides of the table, move the opponent to receive a easy ball to attack strong.

About fast serves you can't attack, why not, you have to be prepared all the time to receive a long serve like I do so not surprise surprise, also try to not apply power to this kind of serve better do a drive or a small soft spin look for only concentrate to return the ball where is more confident for you and more dangerous for him.

About pushes long with a lot of backspin to do top spin you need to use Chinese technique, see the video.

Also very important: quality serves to attack 3rd ball or next & quality receives to avoid to be attacked.

Our sport is for intelligent people 🤣

There’s two ways.

1. You turn into Aruna.
2. You move your opponent around. If your attacks land in the middle of the table consecutively, of course your opponents can hit it wherever they want.
 
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If your attacks are not yielding winning results right away, do not give up, find another way. make them be inconsistent, force them to attack where you are ready. Make them wild, find a way to vary things and keep mixing it up...

This way drives higher level player CRAZY if they cannot figure out HOW you are mixing it up.
 
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Close to table blocker loves to rely on BH and stand like coconut tree on the BH spot. Target wide FH, make them run and see them fumble.
 
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Dont serve underspin if you dont like their pushes. Just serve for eg fast long heavy sidetopspin or pure topspin even, and see if he can push that lol. If they dont attack, there is literally no point in serving short except for variation.

Against good blockers you gotta aim for the places they dont like which is probably not the BH corner (as we practice BH block much more than FH block usually) but the middle or even FH area. Slow spinny af topspin to the FH can be pretty hard for most ppl to control so try to get it in. Also if you can vary the spin and placement it will create a lot of trouble for them. For eg loop one with more sidespin and another with more topspin. Or for eg punch some and topspin some.
 
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Our sport is for intelligent people 🤣

There’s two ways.

1. You turn into Aruna.
2. You move your opponent around. If your attacks land in the middle of the table consecutively, of course your opponents can hit it wherever they want.

It's like chess needs to control the center of the table to win, table tennis (two ways) it's to control close to the mid far from the table to win...

As I said not for dumb people...
 
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Hi!
How to play against those who stay close to the table and have good blocks and good control and they tend to hit the corners all the time and you can't attack them because their block is so good that you don't manage to do two attacks in a row?
Also, how to play against those who tend to do pushes all the time? I know someone who plays with a fast equipment(Primorac carbon and D80) but does only pushes(a paradox for me) and fast serves and basically can't attack? It's hard to attack against him because his pushes are pretty good.

What tactics to consider or what to consider in such cases?
So its two questions
(1) close to the table blockers and
(2) pushers.
Very different propositions.

Answering question 2 first, v pushers who don't look to loop your pushes, you must get really good at pushing (proper, fast, low and well placed pushes, aggressive pushes!) And also you must be able to loop V backspin.
When you can dictate in the pushing rally then you can choose a weak push from this opponent to loop.

Also, serve topspin (short and long) but always topspin. It's hard for them to change the rally to backspin once you've started this way. I have encountered players who can float/chop my long topspin serves back low and deep so it's not impossible for them to change the rally but the short topspin serve is harder to change to backspin. So serving short topspin to one side and then attack the return, placing it deep to the other side is one good tactic on your service.
Once you can do these things you will win every time.
Unless they are a master blocker of course which brings us to the other question.

Generally speaking, if a player can stay close to the table, block to where they want and dictate points by moving you around at will, then they are most likely just a better player than you so don't feel too bad.
And if you can't do two attacks in a row then you know exactly what to practice, its recovery for the next shot, and shot placement.

Get good at hitting their middle to make things awkward for them.
And also practice attacking down the lines.
A drill to practice is BH down the line, partner blocks cross-court to you FH, you hit a FH down the line partner blocks cross-court to your BH and repeat.
Start this drill slowly and only speed up when you are both comfortable to do so.

This is effective because down the line is often unexpected given that about 80-90% of attack at beginner/intermediate level tend to go cross-court.
So when you start mixing it you take time away from the opponent as it screws up their anticipated next shot.

Also because most of their blocks will go cross court, then YOU can anticipate and be ready to play a FH after the initial BH down the line, and ready to play a BH after your FH down the line.
You are ready, you have the extra half second to play your shot and you are dictating things.
The aim here isn't huge power it's getting the ball on the table and moving them to where they don't usually expect the ball.
Making them move takes away the time they usually have (so their game won't be so effective) and it also likely reduces the quality of their shots. You're putting them under pressure and (when not hitting the lines) hit their middle.
Absolutely stop giving them predictable cross court balls until it suits you to do so, because they are out of position.
They are useful tactics and useful drills to practice but again, if the player is levels better, you still won't win but against players around your own level it should be enough to make the difference once you get good at it.
That's the basics I've practiced in my coaching to tackle the same issues and I've had good success with it.
Best of luck 👍
 
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