Faster blade than sanwei V5 pro/ 729 blue alc

[patrykr922]

Hello,

I'm looking for a new blade below 50$.

I believe I need faster blade when competing im my league.

I'm probably the only one im my league who uses dhs 3 neo on forehand, sometimes I feel I lack speed in comparison to my opponents who play with esn rubbers.

For most of the previous year I've played with sanwei t5000.

Then I've switched to sanwei V5 pro with hope that I'll be noticeably faster than t5000, but it wasn't.

Same story with 729 blue alc, not much faster than 5$ sanwei t5000 Blade😅

Blades I'm considering:

Yinhe v14 pro / dhs pg7 / loki K9 / yinhe t11s / yinhe u2 / sanwei fextra 7

Can someone used these blades and can help?😅

 

[Tyce]

Hello,

I'm looking for a new blade below 50$.

I believe I need faster blade when competing im my league.

I'm probably the only one im my league who uses dhs 3 neo on forehand, sometimes I feel I lack speed in comparison to my opponents who play with esn rubbers.

For most of the previous year I've played with sanwei t5000.

Then I've switched to sanwei V5 pro with hope that I'll be noticeably faster than t5000, but it wasn't.

Same story with 729 blue alc, not much faster than 5$ sanwei t5000 Blade😅

Blades I'm considering:

Yinhe v14 pro / dhs pg7 / loki K9 / yinhe t11s / yinhe u2 / sanwei fextra 7

Can someone used these blades and can help?😅

Not trying to be blunt here, but why did you think V5 Pro was going to be faster than T5000?

I'm asking, because you are basically comparing an all-wood (7 ply) blade with a carbon blade and expect wood to be faster. And honestly, if the 729 Blue ALC isn't going to make it better, than none of the blades you are proposing will help.

Better to ask the question: when do you lack speed? Is it when you are making good, high power contact? Or is it when you are a little out of place and can only use a bit of arm swing to recover the shot? Hurricane 3 Neo will not give you much speed in such a shot, that's just how the rubber works. No blade will ever fix that.

Booster will help a little, it will make the rubber a bit more bouncy. But booster also wears off over time, so you need to be aware of that.

I have played H3 Neo on Yinhe Pro 01 (which is very similar to V14 Pro) and even on such a hard, fast blade, your shots will not be fast if you don't get your body into it. In fact, it's a common misconception that Hurricane 3 Neo is a fast-attacking rubber. It's a high spin rubber, with a LOT of power reserves, but the main focus is controlled spin.

 

[Archosaurus]

Those blades are already quite fast everything considered. Blades can't actually make the ball any faster, they can only make it less slow, as a simplification. If your input force into the H3 is low, the shot will generally always come out slow; it's by design.

 

[patrykr922]

Not trying to be blunt here, but why did you think V5 Pro was going to be faster than T5000?

Mainly the prize, I thought a little bit pricier blade might be faster , also there were some reviews where people said V5 pro is too fast for them.

So you're saying in general blades with carbon are faster than 7ply Woody?

 

[ajtatosmano2]

Mainly the prize, I thought a little bit pricier blade might be faster , also there were some reviews where people said V5 pro is too fast for them.

So you're saying in general blades with carbon are faster than 7ply Woody?

What league do you play? A boosted hurricane should be fast enough I think.
Out of the blades you listed out, the T11s will be the fastest probably, but it's usually a choice of short pips players, not sure if it plays well with a hurricane. It sounds like you are a pretty new player, improve a bit, read the forums before you buy new equipment. I would boost the Hurricane though. Good luck finding good new equipment!

 

[Tyce]

Mainly the prize, I thought a little bit pricier blade might be faster , also there were some reviews where people said V5 pro is too fast for them.

So you're saying in general blades with carbon are faster than 7ply Woody?

In general, yes, but fextra and PG7 aren't all that fast for 7ply wood blades either.

Also, define "fast". Because there's low-power, very bouncy fast and then there's high power, high output kind of fast.

V5 Pro should be a little faster on the bounce, but it's not necessarily a high power blade.

 

[patrykr922]

Better to ask the question: when do you lack speed? Is it when you are making good, high power contact? Or is it when you are a little out of place and can only use a bit of arm swing to recover the shot? Hurricane 3 Neo will not give you much speed in such a shot, that's just how the rubber works. No blade will ever fix that.

When making good contact, speed is pretty good, but not enough to end the rally.

But maybe like you said, dhs 3 neo is not that fast compared to setups of the guys I play with.

Last guy I faced had Franciska ALC blade with rakza 7 and was hitting crazy fast forehands😅

 

[patrykr922]

What league do you play? A boosted hurricane should be fast enough I think.

Amateur league of course😅😅

And yes I forgot, I've boosted rubber with 2 layers of haifu seamoon😅

 

[patrykr922]

Also, define "fast". Because there's low-power, very bouncy fast and then there's high power, high output kind of fast.

Haven't even thought about it like that

Can you give some example of high power/ high output Blade?

 

[Tyce]

Haven't even thought about it like that

Can you give some example of high power/ high output Blade?

Typically something like w968 is considered to be slow, but high power. Because it has a bit of flex, and softer top plies, with the carbon layer on the inside next to the core.

Something like Viscaria is considered fast (and powerful imo) , it has a harder top ply followed immediately by the fiber layer.

Your v5 Pro has a harder top ply, but no fiber. It's got power reserves through the thickness, but not the kind of kick you get with a carbon fiber layer.


Not being able to end a rally is usually not a matter of the ball being too slow. Using better placement and solid amount of spin can be much more effective than just hitting full speed.

 

[belllfador]

My way of

Haven't even thought about it like that

Can you give some example of high power/ high output Blade?

My simple explanation is the trampoline effect. If the blade has hard outer layers (with carbon) and a soft core layer, the outer layers can bend more and act like a spring. Ticker and soft core can boost this effect. For example, balsa carbon blades are very bouncy and relatively fast with low effort. But they feel mushy and lack power on hard hits. Step above are blades with kiri wood core, where bounciness is present in the middle or high effort hits, depending on blade composition (T5000 is such blade). And last are blades with relatively hard core, ayous wood for example. Such blades are stiff and with linear speed to effort ratio. Stuor CNF is such blade, but I would not recommend it for combination with H3, considering your level. B3 can give you more speed with less effort and, due to higher throw, is a better match for a stiff blade.

There are many other factors that can explain the blade's behavior, but I will not dig more into the details. Worth mentioning here is hinoki wood. Blades made of hinoki are fast and springy by nature. Have soft feel in low hits and some dwell. In general, single layer hinoki are the fastest. Sadly, there is nothing to recommend for under 50$.

 

[Archosaurus]

I can hit some crazy forehands with absolute junk allround equipment on "who the fuck knows" brand rubber; equipment is usually not the limiting factor for not being able to do that at all.

Maybe if your rubber has a particularly weak sponge around 1mm or the bat is super thin, but if you're using something normal and decently offensive, you're gonna have enough bang to go through just about all amateurs. Something like H3 should be able to perform 100km/h shots even on wood IMO.

Supposedly it changes at pro level, but I wouldn't know about that.

 

[patrykr922]

Your v5 Pro has a harder top ply, but no fiber. It's got power reserves through the thickness, but not the kind of kick you get with a carbon fiber layer.


Not being able to end a rally is usually not a matter of the ball being too slow. Using better placement and solid amount of spin can be much more effective than just hitting full speed.

This is exact feeling I have with V5 pro, it's bouncy, but it misses something when hitting the ball hard.

I'll give a chance to 729 blue alc for a week and see how it goes, but I think I'll go back to sanwei t5000, I liked playing with it the most, good feeling and very comfortable handle, for me personally the fastest out of all 3 on high effort shots.

I'll still try to play with H3 neo, but I see that I'm just not fit enough for it. I can swing hard for first 1-2 matches and the speed is good, but by the 5 or 6th match I'm just out of breath and my performance goes downhill😆

 

[ttarc]

If you like thicker handles you could try the 729 Blue Advance also called Blue AD. Usually quite heavy (over 90g) and thicker (6.2 mm vs around 5.9 mm to 6.0 mm for the Blue Arylate). Difference between 729 Blue Arylate and Blue Advance is somewhat like ALC vs SALC. Definitely faster, too fast for my more spin based playing style.

 

[Archosaurus]

If you like thicker handles you could try the 729 Blue Advance also called Blue AD. Usually quite heavy (over 90g) and thicker (6.2 mm vs around 5.9 mm to 6.0 mm for the Blue Arylate). Difference between 729 Blue Arylate and Blue Advance is somewhat like ALC vs SALC. Definitely faster, too fast for my more spin based playing style.

I assume so; but are the handles shared between the yellow inner version as well? How about the cheaper yellow and blue models?

 

[mocker88]

You should have a look at this one. https://chtt.se/varumarken/yinhe/yinhestommar/yinhe-t2s Very fast and quite light weight as well.

 

[patrykr922]

If you like thicker handles you could try the 729 Blue Advance also called Blue AD. Usually quite heavy (over 90g) and thicker (6.2 mm vs around 5.9 mm to 6.0 mm for the Blue Arylate). Difference between 729 Blue Arylate and Blue Advance is somewhat like ALC vs SALC. Definitely faster, too fast for my more spin based playing style.

Thank you for feedback😅 Do you know how yinhe v14 pro compares to 729 blue alc and blue advance? My friend wants to exchange his yinhe v14 pro for my sanwei V5 pro, says it's too fast for him😅😅

 

[patrykr922]

You should have a look at this one. https://chtt.se/varumarken/yinhe/yinhestommar/yinhe-t2s Very fast and quite light weight as well.

What rubbers do you use with this Blade?

 

[ttarc]

I assume so; but are the handles shared between the yellow inner version as well? How about the cheaper yellow and blue models?

I never played with any of the inner-carbon blades from these series but from the looks I would say that Blue Arylate/ALC and Yellow Arylate/ALC (and also Rosewood 5 and 7) have the same handle and Blue Advance and Yellow Advance/KLC should have both the same thicker handle.

Thank you for feedback😅 Do you know how yinhe v14 pro compares to 729 blue alc and blue advance? My friend wants to exchange his yinhe v14 pro for my sanwei V5 pro, says it's too fast for him😅😅

Depends on the blade weight and if the constructions are similar to the ones I compared here: https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/viscaria-vs-yinhe-v14-pro.25388/post-417768
V14 Pro is the one with way thinner top plies than the 729 Blue ALC and a slightly thicker core. Feels crisper, less woody, less dwell time, faster.

 

[mocker88]

What rubbers do you use with this Blade?

I use harder Chinese tacky rubbers.