Short review of Glayzer 09c

[Egon]

Reviving thread because I've used both Glayzer and Glayzer09C on inner and outer carbons for both forehand and backhand. Just my 2 cents.

The non-tacky Butterfly Glayzer is decent. It has that unique butterfly clicky feel, so I won't say rubbers like Vega X or Fastarc G1 is a replacement unless you don't bother for feel and just want performance. Glayzer is a good learners rubber, with good clicky feel, enough speed, arc and spin to push into mid intermediate on faster blades. After that level when your strokes get very consistent and your footwork improves, it's probably time to move on to stronger tensors like D05. But I can see the amatuer club player using it for long and getting their money's worth since it's durability is pretty good (durability as good as D05). Probably better on carbon blades, with the best probably outer carbon to give it some speed. I can see myself recommending this rubber to some people. I think it's okay on forehand and quite good on backhand.

Butterfly Glayzer09C, however, is not 'a little different', it's an entirely, TOTALLY different rubber from the Butterfly Glayzer. First it has a mildly tacky, very soft topsheet that just makes for a weird combination that I don't really like. Second, it has a hard sponge with very little catapult and feels a little dead. Both topsheet and sponge nature combine to give off a weird feeling, a little unpredictable due to mushy topsheet and quite weak. I say this from experience as I used it on Innerforce ALC and Tezzo Spartan for a season, then replaced it.

I honestly won't recommend this rubber to anyone but the beginner or the intermediate that really wants a hybrid, slow rubber with good durability and not overly dead sponge. And I would NEVER recommend it for backhand to anyone. It's just weird on backhand. I played okay with other hybrids on backhand like the Rakza Z or Big Dipper V, but the Glayzer09C is just unpredictable. Probably due to the very soft topsheet that feels a little mushy. Sponge is clicky and good, but quite weak. It's not as bad as some say here, but it's not very good. Spin is decent, but other rubbers that are cheaper can do better.

Short, regular Glayzer not too bad, Glayzer09C you can probably get better for cheaper.

With booster and oil on a fast blade, G09C plays well on the backhand; give it a try. The booster provides more speed while the sponge remains firm. A little oil softens the sponge. With G09C, you should try to play with spin rather than speed. G09C has better grip on the ball than the Dignics 05, the speed is lower, but in skilled hands it is a formidable weapon.
Another advantage of Glazer09C is its light weight: the 2.1 in the 157x150 size weighs only 45-46 grams. If you use a heavier rubber on your forehand, using the G09C on your backhand can balance the racket perfectly.

 

[dprsspins]

With booster and oil on a fast blade, G09C plays well on the backhand; give it a try. The booster provides more speed while the sponge remains firm. A little oil softens the sponge. With G09C, you should try to play with spin rather than speed. G09C has better grip on the ball than the Dignics 05, the speed is lower, but in skilled hands it is a formidable weapon.
Another advantage of Glazer09C is its light weight: the 2.1 in the 157x150 size weighs only 45-46 grams. If you use a heavier rubber on your forehand, using the G09C on your backhand can balance the racket perfectly.

What oil do you use to boost the G09C? How many layers? Haifu Seamoon? Black? Interesting though, might give it a try.

 

[Egon]

What oil do you use to boost the G09C? How many layers? Haifu Seamoon? Black? Interesting though, might give it a try.

I applied a thin layer of regular yellow seamun, but it froze in the winter, after which it seemed to soften the sponge less. After this boost, I tried playing with the rubber – there was more speed but less dwell time, so I also applied a thin layer of Vaseline oil to the sponge. This oil is sold in pharmacies here. If you can't find it, you can use Johnson's Baby oil, it works just as well.

 

[Angerer]

With booster and oil on a fast blade, G09C plays well on the backhand; give it a try. The booster provides more speed while the sponge remains firm. A little oil softens the sponge. With G09C, you should try to play with spin rather than speed. G09C has better grip on the ball than the Dignics 05, the speed is lower, but in skilled hands it is a formidable weapon.
Another advantage of Glazer09C is its light weight: the 2.1 in the 157x150 size weighs only 45-46 grams. If you use a heavier rubber on your forehand, using the G09C on your backhand can balance the racket perfectly.

Imo, G09c is not a good rubber for backhand, regadless of booster. The arc is too high, which practically eliminates effective punching or blocking, only leaving room for spin, which is still suboptimal due to needing to putting a lot of effort to accelerate the ball.

Still a very solid, spinny FH rubber.

 

[steve888]

I use the G09c on the backhand on FZD alc blade, plenty of control, not spin sensitive and reasonable speed.

 

[Egon]

Imo, G09c is not a good rubber for backhand, regadless of booster. The arc is too high, which practically eliminates effective punching or blocking, only leaving room for spin, which is still suboptimal due to needing to putting a lot of effort to accelerate the ball.

Still a very solid, spinny FH rubber.

Besides rubber preparation, the blade and rubber pairing are also important. G09C won't perform well on every blade.
I personally like the high and medium-high angle when playing backhand, as opposed to forehand, where I'm used to playing with sticky rubbers with a low angle.

 

[dprsspins]

G09C is playable on forehand of a faster blade, at least OFF, where the swing arc is wide enough to generate good brushing and acceleration. I guess that's possible on backhand too but because I usually play backhand strokes quick and snappy, and mostly on the reactive side, where I block drives or flick against spin, it's not that suitable.

I tried boosting and playing with it. It got a little better, but I still wouldn't recommend it for backhand. Forehand though, boosted G09C is considerable. The speed increase and better ball feel makes it quite decent on forehand. Then again, if I wanted to boost a rubber I probably wont get a butterfly, I'd probably get cheaper Chinese like Battle 2 or H3 Neo Provincial which is really good boosted.

 

[SorryForTheEdge]

I played with both G and G09C on my blade (right after D05 and D09C) so I easily picked up the differences between the Dignics and Glayzer series. With Glayzers you have to play patiently as it's more comfortable for both you and your opponent. If we're giving analogies, they're like warrior or tank role where they can be dangerous early game, but don't pose that big of a threat in late rallies. I would recommend the regular Glayzer to those two seek a controlled alternative to Tenergy 05 close to the table, because Dignics 05 has way smaller margin of error. As for G09c, the powerloops aren't as dangerous as with D09c so you should be prepared for opponents countering shots. My recommendation is to play all-round style variating between loops and chops as it's less reactive to fast balls than D09c.

 

[dprsspins]

Well I had more time (a year) and experience with both Glayzer and Glayzer09C on a variety of blades, including the OFF- all wood Tibhar Stratus Power Wood, OFF inner carbon DHS301, Ovtcharov Innerforce and outer carbon Viscaria.

Verdict: they are really decent rubbers. They do not over promise or under deliver, they are very honest rubbers that do as they are told.

Glayzer09C is very spinny, easy to open backspin and is very controllable. But it requires active effort. If one is used to faster, catapult rubbers, using the same technique for them on the Glayzer09C will make the rubber feel unpredictable. However if your strokes are dialed in, you can absolutely load the ball with toxic spin. Even against a nasty chopper, as long as I follow my coach's advice and dip my shoulders, use upward legs drive, the ball is going to go over the net and onto the table. This rubber suits faster blades, the DHS301 or the Viscaria.

Glayzer on the other hand is like a tame D05/T05. It's exceptional if you like the clear ball feeling and crisp spring sponge feel of the D05/T05 but want something that doesn't overshoot the table too frequently. It's good on forehand but even better on backhand. It's grippy topsheet plus linear sponge allows for active backhand punches and good flicks. I think it will suit most intermediate players who want the spring sponge feel. Compared to Rakza 7, Vega X or G1, I still prefer the Glayzer and have more confidence in it's topsheet bite and spring sponge X. This rubber works on almost any blade.

 

[Lazer]

The one thing I didn't like about the the Glazers was the feeling I got on an all wood blade. Enough speed and spin. A boosted H3 feels more distinct....

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Tyce]

The one thing I didn't like about the the Glazers was the feeling I got on an all wood blade. Enough speed and spin. A boosted H3 feels more distinct....

Cheers
L-zr

Yup. Glayzer does poorly on a 5ply, surprisingly D09c works better on a Primorac wood than G09c. I don't know exactly what that is, but it could be the D09c is just much better at playing with the topsheet, where G09c the sponge is already giving in slightly but not yet activated.

I'd say there's less deadzone on the Dignics because the sponge is tighter, if that makes sense.

 

[Haito]

Yup. Glayzer does poorly on a 5ply, surprisingly D09c works better on a Primorac wood than G09c. I don't know exactly what that is, but it could be the D09c is just much better at playing with the topsheet, where G09c the sponge is already giving in slightly but not yet activated.

I'd say there's less deadzone on the Dignics because the sponge is tighter, if that makes sense.

Isn't D09c a bit faster? More bouncy-ish?

 

[Tyce]

Isn't D09c a bit faster? More bouncy-ish?

A bit, yes, and I think it's because the sponge doesn't have that "deadzone" feeling that the G09c sponge has. I need a lot more experience with both these rubbers though, but I've had a short bit of play with both on allround 5plies.

 

[Haito]

A bit, yes, and I think it's because the sponge doesn't have that "deadzone" feeling that the G09c sponge has. I need a lot more experience with both these rubbers though, but I've had a short bit of play with both on allround 5plies.

Sounds like something that a few layers of booster would solve..

 

[jonol]

Glayzer reminds me of a G1 but more stable. It has less pop and isn't going to give you too many outright winners from inside a rally, but is still plenty fast for 3rd and 5th ball attacks and counters, and is utterly consistent. Perfect intermediate rubber and even for advanced players if they can live with rallies extending a few extra shots but gaining some extra consistency.

G09c to me is a forehand rubber for someone who wants to play a very sharp serve, receive and short game, and winning from heavy spin loops on 3rd/5th ball.

It's definitely not for people who want to open early and force their opponent into a rally. More like forcing bad returns and errors from the short game and slow, spinny loops.

 

[Doppelschlag]

Glayzer reminds me of a G1 but more stable. It has less pop and isn't going to give you too many outright winners from inside a rally, but is still plenty fast for 3rd and 5th ball attacks and counters, and is utterly consistent. Perfect intermediate rubber and even for advanced players if they can live with rallies extending a few extra shots but gaining some extra consistency.

G09c to me is a forehand rubber for someone who wants to play a very sharp serve, receive and short game, and winning from heavy spin loops on 3rd/5th ball.

It's definitely not for people who want to open early and force their opponent into a rally. More like forcing bad returns and errors from the short game and slow, spinny loops.

I’d like to reply directly to this, since I’m considering “downgrading” from H3N 39°. I play it on the forehand of a Xiom Hugo HAL, with Tibhar Hybrid MK-FX on the backhand. I’ve used H3N for a long while now, and while it teaches you a lot, it’s quite demanding in a match, where you can’t always get into the ideal positions.

The options I’m considering are Glayzer 09C, Fastarc G1 (or possibly Tibhar Hybrid K3 or a Donic Bluegrip). Could you elaborate a bit on the differences between G1 and 09C, and have you tried any other similar rubbers? Ideally I’d keep as much of H3N’s basic character as possible but gain some forgiveness in match play.

 

[Lazer]

I’d like to reply directly to this, since I’m considering “downgrading” from H3N 39°. I play it on the forehand of a Xiom Hugo HAL, with Tibhar Hybrid MK-FX on the backhand. I’ve used H3N for a long while now, and while it teaches you a lot, it’s quite demanding in a match, where you can’t always get into the ideal positions.

The options I’m considering are Glayzer 09C, Fastarc G1 (or possibly Tibhar Hybrid K3 or a Donic Bluegrip). Could you elaborate a bit on the differences between G1 and 09C, and have you tried any other similar rubbers? Ideally I’d keep as much of H3N’s basic character as possible but gain some forgiveness in match play.

I don't think G09C is any easier, I am using non NEO 39* orange (want low weigth). The only issue is that I have to dislocate my shoulder playing in the 3:Rd position, but I don't spend much time there so I live with it.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Tyce]

I’d like to reply directly to this, since I’m considering “downgrading” from H3N 39°. I play it on the forehand of a Xiom Hugo HAL, with Tibhar Hybrid MK-FX on the backhand. I’ve used H3N for a long while now, and while it teaches you a lot, it’s quite demanding in a match, where you can’t always get into the ideal positions.

The options I’m considering are Glayzer 09C, Fastarc G1 (or possibly Tibhar Hybrid K3 or a Donic Bluegrip). Could you elaborate a bit on the differences between G1 and 09C, and have you tried any other similar rubbers? Ideally I’d keep as much of H3N’s basic character as possible but gain some forgiveness in match play.

Sounds like H8 might be an option?