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  1. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    Yes to this I fully agree. The problem is when that is not available, but if it's available, always the best option. And technique is more important than gear, gear is about 20%-ish (give or take) of the end result. Hence why coaching matters so much. Yes here is where we do not agree. I...
  2. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    I have seen the same in the netherlands for years now, most people who join the club and have no coach or training, do not improve much because the foundation is missing. I have seen enough people quit after a while due to this. My second (current) club did not have a proper training structure...
  3. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    I really agree with your last comments @riemsesy @jk1980 and @belllfador, this is also my philosophy/experience and what I have see in others. Not saying is the correct way of looking at things but it's the way I'd like to look at it. Ps. I was (and still am, but more rational today) an EJ but...
  4. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    I very much agree to this @Amayzde , this is also the reason why I mentioned in my blogpost that for me an amateur ir already a club player that is training and trying to improve regularly. And I have seen the same example countless of times, even more, I keep seeing it weekly, which is sad for...
  5. Most hardest sponge with tackiest top sheet Chinese rubber in your experience

    As far as I know, most likely the hurricane 3 national blue sponge 42 fits that description well. Whether it is the hardest or tackiest I'm not 100% sure but will get close. Why do you want to know? :)
  6. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    I agree we have discussed all there was to discuss, and we can just agree that we have fundamental differences when it comes to TT equipment and that is totally fine and healthy. I'll be reviewing more gear in the coming weeks (tacky and non tacky stuff and all in between) so I'm sure there...
  7. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    I'd argue that one always knows his/her feeling best, and personally, even though when I test something I try to do it thoroughly, if I really dislike a blade or rubber in my first 2 sessions, its unlikely to change my mind wildly after 1 month, it gets better for sure but I know how to judge...
  8. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    Yes and this is also my personal experience (and the one of many people I have talked to and coach). It's not for everybody and people will always disagree, but if it works for you, then continue! Agreed. It could explain why their results have always been worse than H3 players? ;) I have...
  9. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    By the way, since the discussion continues, which is good for the overall watchers of the thread, today I want to bring in some objective data. I firmly believe in my opinion, but it's not because I'm making things up, it's because the beautiful thing about being a coach for about 2y + helping...
  10. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    Yep, this is my opinion as well @Creek Agreed @MORTtheORT
  11. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    Yes wil do soon in the next blogpost :) The, tl;dr is that 37 is more dead and linear unless you boost properly, which means it has more control overall but it does not help you as much with your strokes, and throw angle is noticeable lower on 37. I have played H3N 37 on BH a lot and really...
  12. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    Yes I agree, I can play 09c on FH all fine, but I didn't like it, and so can anybody that plays H3N indeed. And as I have said many times, not every amateur should do H3N, I have clearly stated why not and why yes (with a word of caution if yes) As an example, Andy (not his real chinese name)...
  13. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    Not sure I understand this point @NextLevel , do you mean my trying 09c on FH as well as on BH? If that is the question, I have not said that I played well with 09c on my FH, I said I tried enough times but did not enjoy the experience so mostly kept it for BH.
  14. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    Since the topic is around why H3N yes, and 09c no, let me explain in simple terms my opinion, which by the way, if you read both posts, you will see I have explained it there, but I will summarise it no problem :) The answer is that the way you frame the topic is incorrect, and if you look at...
  15. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    I agree @NextLevel , and see the quote I put at the beginning of my blog to specify what I mean by amateurs here: 'Side note: What is an amateur for this article? A recreational or club player that trains 1-3 times a week for no more than 10h total and is still developing solid technique...
  16. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    I hope that nothing in TT will ruin your life, maybe your wallet (in my case) or your technique, but not your life. Table tennis is the most important thing of the least important things ;) And btw, Butterfly is not bad for beginners, some products are, just like any other brand. This is my...
  17. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    I can always have it @NextLevel , and indeed, I enjoy a good chat a dealing and receiving a couple punches, it's a forum, it's part of the fun! I will say though, that the whole thing of 'hit-brushing' or 'activating' the sponge is unknown by most TT players, I see this almost always when I...
  18. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    Haha thanks for defending a fellow (half) dutch man Tyce, but there is no need, also no need to call out the guys, its a free forum and I enjoy a good punch, I was already looking forward to the conversation with both of them, we have messaged privately before and they are both cool guys, they...
  19. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    @NextLevel, great minds think alike, throw angle, non-linearity with passive play, and price are indeed the main arguments against it. With H3N you get a much more balanced throw (specially for FH where the body makes the arch, so no need for extra throw), plus you always know what you get out...
  20. My Butterfly Dignics 09C Review: Why I think that most amateur players should avoid it

    I was missing your message @ThePongCommenter , thanks for always sharing a counter opinion, keeps things more neutral. I will answer together with next level. You guys know I like a good chat ;)
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