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@M51 This is very much for you. Asians take their table tennis seriously lol.

Hayata, Felix, Joo, Sora, Hayata/Harimoto, Sun, Truls, Sato, Shinozuka, Lin/Huang. Really tough, but since my son was cheering for Argentina yesterday and reminded me of it every time I cheered when Cape Verde scored and Argentina won, this cannot compare to that, lol.

Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, we are still waiting on your *evidence* that the measurement precision is unreliable.

The fact that players don't use the VAR as often to call the opponent's serve IMHO is one sign the issue has improved. Hidden serve is a tough call from where the umpire sits. But since toss angle is often a sign that the ball has ended up far away from where it was tossed, it is often a good...

Doubt is not evidence. Improving the optics is fine but i have explained why thr issue is being overblown and why rounding is not the point.

I don't think the toss height completely fixes the issues with vertical tosses. I think the angle is the right approach. The problem of course is making it workable at all levels. But I am open to trying things including your suggestions. I think the most important thing is for the players...

Everyone plays well when you don't put any pressure on what they like. If Harimoto had played the whole match like he played the last game when he was down, he would have done much better.

Arbitrary, sure. Travesty, I disagree

Hugo...Dang... Hello (no that is not a player).... But as usual, note the silence of the expert when his theory doesn't work out as well as expected. The best thing about this experiment is that we get to see Truls play Vlad in a best of seven today.

The two hidden service calls I saw looked at the ball throughout the toss, though the rule for some reason says any part of the ball must be visible throughout, which means partial obstruction at a point in the serve is permitted. You are right that it is a terrible mess for the amateur game...

If someone does something that you don't think belongs on the webboard, report them. Otherwise, we mostly just accept it as part of webboard functioning and try to be laissez faire. But if enough people report someone for being rude etc. at a certain point, hard choices need to be made.

The problem is cost and game flow. They can't make the measurement available at everyone's practice. So that makes it hard to put into the game at the scale you are thinking of, IMHO.

The thing is that the umpires are not calling it in an unfair way. In fact Bobrow pointed out that umpires have been told to call whenever in doubt because TTR exists. And I remind people again and again, 20 degrees is not vertical, 28 degress is not vertical, 29 degress is not vertical, they...

On a more serious note, it is sad that even with all the improved footwork and forehand that Harimoto has that he still doesn't want to win the games by going head to head from the start and keeps looking for cheap tricks to win points. He plays to the ranking of the opponent (though surely...

So what did Ma Long say about Harimoto playing Sidorenko? Curious....

Harimoto is choking again. His forehand has improved but he still has this refusal to fight athletically vs lower rated opponents until he is in trouble. Sometimes, the only way out is *through*.

In the chopper civil war, the twiddle chop that ended the resistance:

China takes the doubles title! Consolation....

Shinozuka has come up with the right solution - mess up Hugo in the short short. The tried and tested true path of the CNT. Looks like Hugo is in major trouble.

There is a Calderano line - it divides players who can beat Calderano and players who cannot - I cannot see how Shinozuka crosses that line., In his last match, he hit some of the most powerful shots I can ever remember him hitting - but none of that is here. That players like Felix and Truls...