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I should probably grab myself a few decent sheets, then. Although it's not that I don't know how to brush the ball at all. It's more so a case of I can't control the spin on the way down, and if I use the same arm motion I do when serving heavy, I'll be picking up the ball from the corner of...

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Aaaahh, exactly. I was trying to think of a past historic event related to table tennis. :p

Forgive my ignorance, but what happened on 3.11 that shouldn't be forgotten?

The simplest option seems best. I'll try both variations. Especially because backspin is easier to spin against. I do agree that my loops probably weren't that spinny in the video, but do take the arc relative to speed into consideration. There should be enough spin to throw it off the edge if...

Yeah, I figured that out when I got up and walked around a bit. I was thinking backspin that spins towards me, not the wall. Sorry, wall! I actually haven't tried that. The wall is closer, so it should also show the spin more accurately because there's less air resistance and crappy angle to...

A very spinny loop onto a wall will come back as backspin? How exactly does that work unless the wall is an inverted rubber surface and it will grab the ball and then possibly change the spin direction...? EDIT: Ah, yes. Backspin, from the perspective of the wall. It will spin towards the wall...

That'd work too. Although not terribly compact to transport to a table not at home and I'd probably rather make one out of a bat or two because I can hit in relatively the same spot all the time. Being able to prop it up securely closer to the net, too, would be good. I'm thinking of some kind...

Hey. If I don't have a person on hand to block my shot, I've tried to use the method of letting the ball hit a wall once it comes off the table and checking how much it rolls forward to measure topspin, but I've deemed it a bit unreliable. If the wall is irregular, or very rough or very smooth...

The wall is pretty rough. It seems to kill 9/10 of the spin on impact. The ball still spins forward after hitting it, but not too much. If the ball goes into the net, the spin's many, many times heavier than when it hits the wall and it'd easily travel past the wall if it wasn't there. You...

I've found what you said to be true. I didn't even notice I was contacting at net height: I was trying to not use my body too much and to focus on the arm. The video shows that I am sometimes leaning over with my CoG not in the middle of my support platform ie: leg base. Next time, I'll wait...

@NextLevel @UpSideDownCarl @SilentRain @Der_Echte Here's a video of me trying to figure out the proper swing and body position. Looping no spin feels terribly awkward so most of these will not be pretty, and there's a few drives mixed in because I was terribly out of position. Hard to get into...

An attack don't matter if it's lousy. "Strive to perform the first meaningful attack" is a phrase I like. Even the kids at my school can slap the hell out of a lousy opener.

I've once achieved a huuuuuuge arc on my loop with maximum effort, like I'm doing max weight one rep squats, although it wasn't onto a completely dead ball, IIRC. So I know it's possible with my equipment and touch. I should be able to get consistent at those if I just know exactly what I...

I'm not concerned about speed right now myself. I have a lot of ways to generate speed with reasonable spin. What I'm looking for is a super slow, super heavy opening loop that'll smack into your groin and spin up your shirt if you're not ready. I've seen it happen once. ;)

I can loop fast. Getting the safe, slow loop out is the hard part, for some whacky reason. I feel like the fast loop has enough spin, because compared to my slow loop on no-spin, it has nearly the same arc if my slow loop is low. :confused: One of my favorite 5th ball setups is light back/side...

If I manage to land it with a big arc, it's always in the last inch or so, and I can place it wherever I want in a game. Even without so much spin it works nicely if I hit it deep into someone's body when they're jammed up. If they're ready, I think they can just smack it, so that's why I wanna...

Silentrain, "heavy no-spin" is a spin too, as long as it looks like heavy backspin or heavy topspin. :cool:

That makes sense. I come on the back of the ball for the most part when looping backspin and I'm sure it's heavy. I find that better. Normally I try to go around and over, but I've found that for this it ends up in just a spinless touch shot basically, or at least it feels like it. So I try...

The best I've been able to do, usually because it's half long and very close to the edge, is to wait until it's quite low under the table and brushing it fairly quickly mostly in an upwards movement, not coming across my body as much as in a normal loop. The follow through angle is similar to...