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What I said. High speed, high arc, but still less speed than the Chinese. Maybe due to his inability to even swing that fast, but maybe there's some advantages why you'd want to do that even if you could loop harder.

What about high speed, high arc shots? Like counterloops far from the table? Mizutani plays a lot of those, while the Chinese, although still playing a safer more arcing shot, still play with more power over arc and spin.

Yes, exactly. I'm taking about what is effective and a good strategy vs better and better players. There has to be some kind of meta that we will end up with. Maybe I will need to spin more to pressure high level players, when only speed is not enough. I am wondering if this harsh contact only...

That is what I think too. On the topic of a rallying shot though, like when you're looping someone's blocks and counterloops, would you want a softer contact and sound while still keeping good pace, or go with more pace and what feels and sounds like a harsher contact? A part of me thinks the...

I am by no means a high level player, but I find it very easy to generate a very fast shot with a lot of arc, like Yan An is doing. I can't imagine landing a shot with that kind of pace if I don't spin it a lot, and a high brush soft shot is very easy and feels more like a block compared to...

Strange. I've found fast, spinny shots harder to return than completely flat fast shots. The shot comes in fast, and rebounds off the table even faster. Shouldn't that be overall more difficult to counter? Isn't that the reason why the Chinese play with a speed bias? I've also found it far...

So they're far less spinnier than a brush loop, and more akin to a drive, or is the topspin still very high but not quite as high?

It's probably just perception, then. I've noticed that the best shots I've done are like this: Is this the sound you're talking about? I wasn't entirely sure if it was just the rubber + sponge making this sound, or the wood, so I was trying to avoid it. I always had assumed that it had high...

That's true. It's hard to find a good example of what I mean. I think Timo Boll quite often loops how I describe it, with a soft nearly nonexistent sound. All I know is, it at least appears to increase spin, but it's tremendously harder. EDIT: Here is one from Pingskills. It's quiet enough...

Hello. I know that a very wood-y slap sound is definitely not what you want when looping, but I've been wondering if less is more when it comes to spin. Looking at professional players play, they very often make a sound I would describe as "medium", the normal kind of hitting sound. Yet they...

What is preferable, trying to overcome the topspin on the ball or pushing through it? Or are they really one and the same?

Carl, no one was wrong. My speech was just not clear enough. I wasn't criticizing Adam: just clearing up something that I think might assist people in learning the shot. I could easily point out your hypocrisy in your first post, when you didn't stop to think what I wrote and immediately...

Suga D, I should have probably said "What makes that so effective is that it's corkscrew, not regular sidespin." Then again, you can always argue that of course it's regular sidespin because I haven't turned around three times prior to hitting it and struck the ball with my foot, but I think...

Even worse is that Japanese call pretty much all topspin shots a duraibu, or "drive" here in the west. :p I would also call that a drive. I think 2:20 is more accurate to what an active block is. EDIT: Oh dear, Katakana is not supported on this forum!

monster, there is no argument. I said something, Carl disagreed. I'm pretty sure it's just a case of semantics, because we're not actually saying anything that contradicts each other, hence no argument. The rest is him messing with me. :p

You got me at "you ARE WRONG, buddy." Fooled me up until then. But, just in case:

It's a "kind of " sidespin, but it's not "the" sidespin. The brushy along the back kind of sidespin. ;)

Just one little correction: What makes that so effective is that it's corkscrew, not really regular sidespin. The one at 44 seconds is a perfect example. See how it looks like it's just a lifted ball, but it breaks off to the side after hitting the table? It's a very big and obvious move...

The ITTF would never admit to a mistake, so your first point was on the money IMO. The whole sport'd be a whole lot different if they could.

This is funny to me because the first image I had of Der_Echte is the stereotypical Korean male, due to the Korean flag. I've long since become aware of his actual, far hardier stature, but it's still hard to shake that image out of my head. ;)