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So what is wrong with arguing against ML's achievements? This is exactly the issue I have with some ML fans. There is no need to make this a religion. The achievements will remain historic no matter what anyone says. But what ML fans want is fawning adulation without a hint of serious...

In life we focus on the important things. We don't focus on everything that changed, but how the changes affect us. Focusing on how the changes affected ML's matchups not just on how the changes affected TT. Less spin made some things harder but some things easier. You can credit Ma Long for...

It proves that the plastic ball era should not be naively viewed as a continuous era with the cell ball era which was my main point.

The other thing to realize is that no one is disputing that ML was a great played before the advent of the plastic ball. So the idea that he suddenly became great is framing the issue the wrong way. The question is whether there are any aspects of the changes to the plastic ball that made it...

That you think both are the same technique or used in the same way is either a joke or part of the problem with the current discussion. Out of respect for you, I suspect it is the former but humor does not travel well over the internet.

I believe ZJK did switch to T80 on the backhand over time.

He is not as physically strong as say Fan Zhendong or Liang Jingkun and that is a disadvantage with for Ma Long with the plastic ball. Happy? I believe that the serves also became less potent with the plastic ball given the Chiquita was easier to execute. The question is being framed in terms...

Timo Boll changed his style. Everyone, including Ma Long, adapts. The question is whether the changes help your strengths or your weaknesses. The overwhelming feature of Timo's game now is not spin but consistency. Ma Long evolved and adapted his game. Everyone did. But the reduced spin...

I was trying to get my game right at this time so I know what the pros were telling me. I can't argue with people who have no clue what the ball changes did to the sport and who forget that Timo and Dima went through major adjustment periods to adapt to the 2 plastic balls. The common feature...

One of the unstated differences is that in the National Games, players get team coaches. So the mental game is a big deal but not as big as in ITTF events. ------------------------------ It might be weird but I can understand RTK's annoyance as an ML fan. How can anyone deny ML after all the...

I don't think anyone said losing a game to Calderano or Falck should be seen as a weakness. The bigger issue is whether there is any other player who is also dominating the era and whether that play is from ML's generation. Like in 2011, Ma Long was dominating and ZJK was coming second just...

A good Chiquita would have cut a lot of that crap out. My opinion. RTK doesn't have to accept it.

So when you look at the semi-finalists and finalists and their level of experience and titles (I think Raineverever had a list) as well as the reduction in the competitiveness of the fields by the ITTF, you think the only point people are making is that Ma Long lost to Wang Hao? Or that Ma...

Well if you are standing where he is, you see something different. The other thing to remember is that Liang has watched and played Ma Long many times so there are cues he is looking for. It is quite possible that something Ka Long did to setup the serve threw him off. Match play in terms of...

I don't think there is an inability to understand I think there is a clear disagreement. What post led you to believe that there is an inability to understand? Could you quote it?

Look at the complete swing motion on the serve. On the second one Ma Long comes more under the ball.

I never said that. You may have interpreted me as saying that but I never said that. I am the same person who felt that Ma Long was the greatest ever before he ever even won a WTTC, as crazy as that sounds (Carl say on the path, but I think results matter and bronze is a result, and I...

I think he asked whether ML had a injury lol.

We have hear Ma Long say that the public is the one that thinks his mental game is weak not him, and he has also said he is mentally weak- which is it? Complaints just tend to go along with wins and losses. ML complained after loss in Asian TT champs 2017 but silence after WTTC 2017. Par for...

Hahahaha. Every thing must be learned and yes, I have heard that National Games are a big deal in China. I know Ma Long won the last one with celluloid ball, beating Wang Hao in semis and Fan in the final. I think both matches were close. Not his usual 4-0 over Wang Hao in useless matches...