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I use H8-80 on fh. Tried the regular H8 but did not really like the hard feeling. Had to put a lot of effort in every stroke. Bear in mind that the 8-80 is not really a speed monster either. Out of three rubbers one clearly weighed a lot more. I thought it was because it was red but reading...

My experience - Rozena has the speed of Tenergy but spin wise it is almost like playing with a short pips rubber. The G09c is to me however a "regular modern rubber"; relatively hard sponge with a topsheet that has some stickiness. Not far of from, as I recall, D09c and other hybrids. Rozena...

Different between "generations" anyway. But I guess some of the are the same...

On the other hand - the harder the sponge, the less likely you will hit through it so thickness is not needed. ;)

Of course. I was just trying to add some nuances to the debate! :) Glayzer 09c is still pretty close to Dignics 09c in the overall scheme of things. The differences might be crucial for some though.

Thats the thing. It is not a slow rubber. It is, sort of, like most common rubbers. Slower than some but definitely faster than some as well. But the main commets about it is that it is slow and that is not, imho, an accurate description. Also, it is definitely a hard rubber. No one can say it...

Am I the only one who finds G09c fast and hard? Coming from other "hybrids" (Rakza Z, H 8-80, Joola Tango PS...) and Fastarcs (all of them...) the G09c too me feels very hard and also quite fast. Long arc. But I guess it depends on what you are used to and how you hit the ball.

My experience is that the topsheet, hybrid or not, always lasts longer than the sponge when it comes to modern rubbers (with built in speed-glue effect).

The DHS H301 feels mostly like a slightly slower Viscaria. It is flexier though so some really hard hits/loops makes it feel a bit faster. But over all, a slightly slower blade with the simlilar feeling.

Hear hear. The "women and children only"-move from Stiga is weird. I bet they are going to start producing bigger handles again but that does not help us right now.

Well, seems to be a few on aliexpress but a shortage pretty much everywhere else. Even on black ones. But I might miss some stores.

The sad thing is that the Stiga handles have gotten smaller over the years and they even stopped producing the large flared one. Ten years ago they had a conical, Champ, that worked really well.

Anyone know why there seems to be a shortage of Hurricane 8-80? Particularly the red ones.

Well, you can always get used to a blades playing characteristics but if you don't like grip tape you have no way of fixing a small handle. Unless you are a master carpenter. Or can afford one.

My hands are about the same size (length) and I do have a problem with finding handles that does not feel to small. Most are to thin and almost all are too short. Seems like a trend to stop producing the relatively bigger handles as well.

Ok. It was just an older version of the "butterfly rubber matrix". A bit different from the latest. Alla the Tenergies have the same spin as the corresponding FX-versions for instance. And Tackiness are on the same spin level as Tenergies. There are several versions, just google. Obviously more...

Used to look like this:

Don't know about Nittaku H3 but aren't the ESN options typically heavier than the Hurricanes? Another option for you might be Hurricane 8-80. It is somewhat similar to Rakza Z. Different feel but easy transition. The red 8-80:s seems to be out of stock in most shops though....

Joola Tango PS = ESN-bouncy sponge with chinese tacky topsheet. Rakza Z = sponge halfway between modern bouncy and chinese hard, topsheet normal european topsheet with some added tackiness. The result is similar but approach to hybridness different.

G1 is cheaper than most of the comparable alteratives. Not the other fadtarcs but the rest.