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Can you cite the statistics you are using to argue that WH had a better head-2-head vs Boll/Samsonov than Ma Long? I'm not disputing Wang Hao's play by the way. I am just arguing that he was more backhand oriented than most players at his time and that he had tremendous success playing that...

I fall into every "trap", TT is fun.

Oh, you are so full of it. You mean that everyone here doesn't know who Zhang Jike is? Or you mean the reason why we are discussing his statements is because we don't know who he is? No one who disagreed with hin said that the forehand focused table tennis is not athletic. The points that...

Haha of course no one said that. They just felt that way and supported their arguments with Xu Xin and Joo Se Hyuk (examples that didn't work at all).

So this sounds more like what I was saying. More nuance. It is just funny how some think you are only allowed to agree with everything a good player says lol. LSD comments start about 3.5mins in.

My point is that you are discussing him at different points in his career as if he never evolved. I am just saying that people shouldn't give ZJK's claim some privileged insight. Wang Hao also used his backhand much more often than other players - maybe that is why he lost to Ryu in the...

Wang Hao at 19? Or Wang Hao at 27? And in matches what did Wang Hao select in rallies and on serve return? The game has gotten faster in some ways though the balls were supposed to make it slower.

Yeah but where are the players with stronger forehand and footwork than Lin Shidong on the national team? Why is a 19 year old outplaying his supposedly forehand oriented peers? It is better to say the kid is 19 and still has gaps that need to be closed than to pretend that his game is...

Of course no one is "qualified" ‐ I think the problem is you haven't spoken to high level coaches and players about these things. If you have spoken to them enough, you will learn that with their qualifications, they often disagree with each other and make mistakes as well. It is when you have...

Would be interesting to see video of these players especially if they play inverted on both sides.

Only in the first round though. Still high risk for CNT collisions depending on seeding.

You missed the biggest requirement, which is to be willing to share with Carl and the forum video of your play. This is actually more important in many cases than the other two requirements because what you find very quickly are lots of people who are willing to say lots of insightful things...

What does prefer the forehand mean? How would you quantity it in shot selection? How would you argue that Fan or Lin rely on their backhand too much? Does Hugo rely on his backhand too much? How did Fan stop relying on his backhand too much? Do you agree that being backhand oriented cost...

Or Europe was weaker than ever. It goes both ways. The thing is that it is easy after the fact to talk about weak forehand and strong backhand. But there are no backhand orientef players at the top everyone plays with balance.

Dima struggled to beat Chinese players in his prime compared to Saive in his prime. That is what i am trying to say. Dima's world cup has no Chinese wins. His Olympics bronzes have no Chinese wins. He has no WTTC singles medals. That is all I am saying. Dima is a great player - I am just...

None of the grand slam winners other than maybe Waldner and Liu Gupliang had bad/weak backhands. The point being made by Zhang Jike is very trite, it is the classical understanding of table tennis, most footwork is built to introduce the forehand. In Nigeria, almost none of the national team...

Please speak more plainly. You are saying I am wrong to disagree with the shade that Zhang Jike is throwing at Lin Shidong and that Lin lost to Hugo Calderano because Lin is too backhand oriented and if he were more forehand oriented, he would have beaten Hugo? Let's remember that WLQ once...

Nah, you are mixing this up. Saive was a beast in the Golde Era of Europe. Dima mostly won stuff when someone else beat the Chinese or the Chinese were injured. He almost never won anything big by eliminating them himself. The point is not that Saive was some juggernaut but that his wra was...

He got a silver in 1993. TtFrenzy is closer to the truth than you are. Europe was really tough in the 90s. Wven great players like Korbel, Primorac and Rosskopf were easy to overlook.

Hugo is now world #3 and Liang #5. This throws a major spanner into CNT operations if there is no separation by association at WTTC.