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      Help finding a Blade

      I’m Looking for help picking out a blade and some rubber advice. About 10 years ago I got really serious and decided to buy a blade and rubbers. I was advised to start with the butterfly xstar.I chose this as my blade and I have really enjoyed the pips out my whole life so I went with a raystorm one side flarestorm other.


      I have enjoyed the flarestorm more than the raystorm. The reason being it felt like a stiffer/hard rubber. I felt like the ball sunk more into the ray storm rubber. I'm thinking about sticking with flarestorm but I am open to thoughts. I also prefer thinner rubbers. I don’t remember for sure but I think they were both1.9mm.


      As for the blade, I’m hoping for a blade with high control. I liked the Butterfly Star and the control/consistancy it gave. I am looking for something similar to that but with more of a stiff feeling when hitting the ball and also hoping it would give me more vibration feedback.

      I would really love any help.
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      Dude, your font color is so hard to read.

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      Is that better? Im brand new and have no idea what I am doing.

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      So you are playing pips out on both side? How is your playing style? Want to win by killing the ball or control, deception more?

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      My coach uses tsp balsa series with c8 2.0mm long pips on bh. There are many blades from def- (2.5mm balsa) to off+ (8.5mm balsa). They are very useful and deceptive with long and short pips.

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      The 8.5mm is soft and stiff

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lula View Post
      So you are playing pips out on both side? How is your playing style? Want to win by killing the ball or control, deception more?
      You are correct, I am playing pips out on each side. I prefer to go on the offense immediately and win the point... I'm not a defensive player and I don't rely on spin much at all.

      I dint have any problems with the Butterfly XStar but I'm hoping to make a few tweaks for the better. Such as more feedback/vibration to my hand and possibly more of a solid contact hard feeling. I'm not sure if this is possible. I don't know a lot.

      I would love to try out several different blades to see what I like but I live in Kauai so I don't have that luxury. There are no stores on my island.

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      Palio TNT-1 would be a perfect choise. Hard and stiff. Bad for spin, perfect for block and smash. Killer all the way.

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      Mazunov maybe? If the weight will not bother you and you can control it.

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      Hello from a fellow pips lover.

      No offense to Gugdigrazia, but balsa blades will not bring you the solid/hard feeling. Soft core blades feel "hollow" and it will be like hitting with a matchbox, the exact opposite of what you want.

      Most modern blades are made with soft wood cores (ie kiri/balsa/ayous) so getting a solid dense contact is hard to find. A few suggestions below:

      Classic 7-plies (6.6mm+ limba ayous ala clipper, samsonov force, challenge speed, SK7, andro timber etc): Classic pips choice, no matter how much others you try, these blades simply feel good. Medium feel, not too hard, but dense on hard impact and plenty of reinforced feeling. Even though it uses soft ayous, the extra layers and uniform impact feel mitigates most of the hollow feel.

      Antique woods (DHS 08, and pretty much all 70s/80s Chinese blades): very thick (7mm+) all basswood and/or basswood-meranti mix. Extremely heavy, but more solid, dense, and stiff than the Clipper styles. Not as bouncy on low impact, but pretty much unlimited power on full effort shots. Heavy as in 100g+, sometimes 120g, so be aware. Excellent and substantial feel, I haven't found anything better yet.

      A 7-ply hinoki might also get you what you want, but make sure you find one with enough thickness. The wood is similar in hardness/stiffness to basswood but bouncier. Don't let the soft wood fool you. Hard, dense impact sensation is dependent on much more than surface material, a thick 7-ply of uniform soft material will feel much more solid than an Ebony surface blade with kiri core.

      OSP ultimate and the BBC Ghost might also interest you. They have soft outer plies with a hard mahogany core. But I haven't tried those and not sure if they might be too thin.

      Things I recommend staying away from:
      -Anything with a balsa or kiri core.
      -Hardwood surface blades (ebenholz, rosewood, etc):Amplifies the "matchbox" hollow feel, worst yet if combined with a balsa/kiri core. They feel hard and crisp on bounce, but once you start smashing, they feel soft and hollow.
      -Thick core blades: again, amplifies the hollow feel. Go for atleast 7 thinner layers.
      -Composites: fast, stiff, hard and light. Sounds perfect for short pips, but composites also unanimously have "vibration dampening" characteristics. None of them feel as clear and crisp as all woods. Less hollow than hardwood surface blades, but still hollow.

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      Quote Originally Posted by lasta View Post
      Hello from a fellow pips lover.

      No offense to Gugdigrazia, but balsa blades will not bring you the solid/hard feeling. Soft core blades feel "hollow" and it will be like hitting with a matchbox, the exact opposite of what you want.

      Most modern blades are made with soft wood cores (ie kiri/balsa/ayous) so getting a solid dense contact is hard to find. A few suggestions below:

      Classic 7-plies (6.6mm+ limba ayous ala clipper, samsonov force, challenge speed, SK7, andro timber etc): Classic pips choice, no matter how much others you try, these blades simply feel good. Medium feel, not too hard, but dense on hard impact and plenty of reinforced feeling. Even though it uses soft ayous, the extra layers and uniform impact feel mitigates most of the hollow feel.

      Antique woods (DHS 08, and pretty much all 70s/80s Chinese blades): very thick (7mm+) all basswood and/or basswood-meranti mix. Extremely heavy, but more solid, dense, and stiff than the Clipper styles. Not as bouncy on low impact, but pretty much unlimited power on full effort shots. Heavy as in 100g+, sometimes 120g, so be aware. Excellent and substantial feel, I haven't found anything better yet.

      A 7-ply hinoki might also get you what you want, but make sure you find one with enough thickness. The wood is similar in hardness/stiffness to basswood but bouncier. Don't let the soft wood fool you. Hard, dense impact sensation is dependent on much more than surface material, a thick 7-ply of uniform soft material will feel much more solid than an Ebony surface blade with kiri core.

      OSP ultimate and the BBC Ghost might also interest you. They have soft outer plies with a hard mahogany core. But I haven't tried those and not sure if they might be too thin.

      Things I recommend staying away from:
      -Anything with a balsa or kiri core.
      -Hardwood surface blades (ebenholz, rosewood, etc):Amplifies the "matchbox" hollow feel, worst yet if combined with a balsa/kiri core. They feel hard and crisp on bounce, but once you start smashing, they feel soft and hollow.
      -Thick core blades: again, amplifies the hollow feel. Go for atleast 7 thinner layers.
      -Composites: fast, stiff, hard and light. Sounds perfect for short pips, but composites also unanimously have "vibration dampening" characteristics. None of them feel as clear and crisp as all woods. Less hollow than hardwood surface blades, but still hollow.
      Excellent explanation!

      The problem is that in the modern TT world relity its getting more and more difficult to judge blade properties by comosition only. There are blades that are not expected to feel hollow, but they feel. For example Palio V1 - 7wood + 4carbon. As hollow as an Empty matchbox with softer hits, but firm and crisp with stronger hits. And its expected to be as stiff as a frypan, but its not, its mid flexy. Not good for pips.
      Xiom Vega Tour at first glance should be considered to be one of those composites that are still hollow. Nothing like that. Maybe because of the katsura core it feels perfectly clear, no hollow at all. Though its not hard and not very stiff, I would highly recomend it for pips, but will not - its too good for that and its bests are in other field.
      Palio TNT-1 is a very cheap blade, 7 wood + 2 thick carbon, hard and stiff, expected to be still hollow, but in fact is with the most crisp sound and feel all through the strength hitting range. Heavy, but not too much around 93 gr, thick, but not too much at 7 mm. Rock solid for blocks and smashes. Not good enough for anything but pips.

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      I agree with some of the above that you need a fast somewhat stiff blade. With double short pips you can almost only win by speed so you need a fast blade to be able to kill the ball. A pretty low arc is also good because you want to play close to the table. Direct is also good i think so the ball leaves the racket fast.

      I use short pimple on my forehand. I started out with slower Wood blades. Then faster Wood blades like Clipper and mazunov. Both were fine. I think Clipper were better for my inverted side. With double pimples mazunov May work well. I Did notice that i felt that the arc were very Low so i Did not have much Martin for error. I have read that you should use Wooden blades for short pimples But i Do not think the material matter so much. I then used Timo boll spirit that worked good, But wanted something faster. So now i am using Timo boll zlc and i am happy with it. I almost feel that for the short pimple play the blade can Not be to fast, as faster the better. But i need control for my inverted bh. Maybe you need control aswell. I coach some kids. I have out short pimple on two of them. One of them have a slow blade so it is hard to kill the ball with it. Proably good to start with to learn the technique But if you already have good strokes i recommend a fast blade.

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      Quote Originally Posted by lasta View Post
      Hello from a fellow pips lover.

      No offense to Gugdigrazia, but balsa blades will not bring you the solid/hard feeling. Soft core blades feel "hollow" and it will be like hitting with a matchbox, the exact opposite of what you want.

      Most modern blades are made with soft wood cores (ie kiri/balsa/ayous) so getting a solid dense contact is hard to find. A few suggestions below:

      Classic 7-plies (6.6mm+ limba ayous ala clipper, samsonov force, challenge speed, SK7, andro timber etc): Classic pips choice, no matter how much others you try, these blades simply feel good. Medium feel, not too hard, but dense on hard impact and plenty of reinforced feeling. Even though it uses soft ayous, the extra layers and uniform impact feel mitigates most of the hollow feel.

      Antique woods (DHS 08, and pretty much all 70s/80s Chinese blades): very thick (7mm+) all basswood and/or basswood-meranti mix. Extremely heavy, but more solid, dense, and stiff than the Clipper styles. Not as bouncy on low impact, but pretty much unlimited power on full effort shots. Heavy as in 100g+, sometimes 120g, so be aware. Excellent and substantial feel, I haven't found anything better yet.

      A 7-ply hinoki might also get you what you want, but make sure you find one with enough thickness. The wood is similar in hardness/stiffness to basswood but bouncier. Don't let the soft wood fool you. Hard, dense impact sensation is dependent on much more than surface material, a thick 7-ply of uniform soft material will feel much more solid than an Ebony surface blade with kiri core.

      OSP ultimate and the BBC Ghost might also interest you. They have soft outer plies with a hard mahogany core. But I haven't tried those and not sure if they might be too thin.

      Things I recommend staying away from:
      -Anything with a balsa or kiri core.
      -Hardwood surface blades (ebenholz, rosewood, etc):Amplifies the "matchbox" hollow feel, worst yet if combined with a balsa/kiri core. They feel hard and crisp on bounce, but once you start smashing, they feel soft and hollow.
      -Thick core blades: again, amplifies the hollow feel. Go for atleast 7 thinner layers.
      -Composites: fast, stiff, hard and light. Sounds perfect for short pips, but composites also unanimously have "vibration dampening" characteristics. None of them feel as clear and crisp as all woods. Less hollow than hardwood surface blades, but still hollow.

      Thanks for all the amazing and valuable info. Have you used any of the blades above. If I'm coming from previously using the Butterfly X Star would one of them be a better blade to go to...meaning not as big of a skill level jump. Going from a X star to the fastest blade available may not be smart. I'm not saying these are the fastest or anything but I wasn't sure how much my game would be hindered trying to bite off more than I could handle. I have played quite a bit through the years but I'm sure everyone here would classify me as a beginner. The plus side is I have at least used a real blade for years and may want to make a step forward.

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      Hi, yes I tried all examples, except for the OSP and BBC blades mentioned last. Recommend you get a classic 7-ply. Stiga Clipper, Butterfly SK7, Samsonov Force (Black Edition), Adidas Challenge Speed or Strike wood 7..the list goes on. They play more similar than different, my advice is to pick the cheapest one. Play for a year, and IF you feel you need more speed/hardness/stiffness you can move up to the hinoki/basswood blades.

      Make sure its close to 6.7mm which appears to be the sweetspot amongst manufacturers. A small change in thickness will make a big difference in feel.

      BTW, the Adidas Strike Wood 7 and Challenge Speed seems to be going for clear out prices and tend to be better made than most other brands. If you can't find them, Clipper and Samsonov Force has nothing but good reviews. Just a thought .
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      Challenge speed is the only adidas blade i kept because it was really good and the handle is so comfy

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      Quote Originally Posted by yogi_bear View Post
      Challenge speed is the only adidas blade i kept because it was really good and the handle is so comfy

      You don't happen to want to sell yours do you. I have been looking for it for a couple hours since "Lasta" recommend it but I can't find one.

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      Sorry, my info on Adidas may be a few years old haha. If you can't find it, just look for a Clipper/Samsonov/SK7/Andro CS7 Tour/Joola Viva. None of them are particularly expensive.

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      Quote Originally Posted by lasta View Post
      Hello from a fellow pips lover.

      No offense to Gugdigrazia, but balsa blades will not bring you the solid/hard feeling. Soft core blades feel "hollow" and it will be like hitting with a matchbox, the exact opposite of what you want.

      Most modern blades are made with soft wood cores (ie kiri/balsa/ayous) so getting a solid dense contact is hard to find. A few suggestions below:

      Classic 7-plies (6.6mm+ limba ayous ala clipper, samsonov force, challenge speed, SK7, andro timber etc): Classic pips choice, no matter how much others you try, these blades simply feel good. Medium feel, not too hard, but dense on hard impact and plenty of reinforced feeling. Even though it uses soft ayous, the extra layers and uniform impact feel mitigates most of the hollow feel.

      Antique woods (DHS 08, and pretty much all 70s/80s Chinese blades): very thick (7mm+) all basswood and/or basswood-meranti mix. Extremely heavy, but more solid, dense, and stiff than the Clipper styles. Not as bouncy on low impact, but pretty much unlimited power on full effort shots. Heavy as in 100g+, sometimes 120g, so be aware. Excellent and substantial feel, I haven't found anything better yet.

      A 7-ply hinoki might also get you what you want, but make sure you find one with enough thickness. The wood is similar in hardness/stiffness to basswood but bouncier. Don't let the soft wood fool you. Hard, dense impact sensation is dependent on much more than surface material, a thick 7-ply of uniform soft material will feel much more solid than an Ebony surface blade with kiri core.

      OSP ultimate and the BBC Ghost might also interest you. They have soft outer plies with a hard mahogany core. But I haven't tried those and not sure if they might be too thin.

      Things I recommend staying away from:
      -Anything with a balsa or kiri core.
      -Hardwood surface blades (ebenholz, rosewood, etc):Amplifies the "matchbox" hollow feel, worst yet if combined with a balsa/kiri core. They feel hard and crisp on bounce, but once you start smashing, they feel soft and hollow.
      -Thick core blades: again, amplifies the hollow feel. Go for atleast 7 thinner layers.
      -Composites: fast, stiff, hard and light. Sounds perfect for short pips, but composites also unanimously have "vibration dampening" characteristics. None of them feel as clear and crisp as all woods. Less hollow than hardwood surface blades, but still hollow.
      thanks for your explanation. I'm not expert with pips-out rubbers, i tried the tsp balsa 8.5 and i didn't like it, but my coach is using it to block and attack with LP and i thougt that it'd work well even with short pips attacking style. Sorry for my error

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      I should be the one apologizing haha.

      Some people like the springy matchbox feel. But since he/she wants a solid hard impact, it probably wouldn't be a good match.

      My perfect blade would be a ceramic tile, so take my recommendations with a bag of salt haha.

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      Nah i am keeping it for good. Adidas gave it to me and it is one of the first produced Challenge Speed before it hit the market. I think you can still find some online.

      QUOTE=TableTennis6708;264869]You don't happen to want to sell yours do you. I have been looking for it for a couple hours since "Lasta" recommend it but I can't find one. [/QUOTE]

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