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To the topic question - the ones you can control at your max speed.
To the question "Why make a long big stroke when the bat was so fast that a short quick stroke is enough" - because a long big stroke can make a lot of things the short quick stroke wouldn't.
His question simply was: What is faster a Tenergy or a Speed Glue enhanced Bryce?
And the simple answer is a speed glue bat from the old days was way faster then any bat right now.
And my comment about "Why make a long big stroke when the bat was so fast that a short quick stroke is enough" wasn't a question or a debate over what is better. It was simply to illustrate that when the speed glue got introduced the table tennis game evolved. Pro players changed from using big long strokes to smaller shorter strokes because the game was so fast that there was simply no time anymore for big long swings.
His question simply was: What is faster a Tenergy or a Speed Glue enhanced Bryce?
And the simple answer is a speed glue bat from the old days was way faster then any bat right now.
And my comment about "Why make a long big stroke when the bat was so fast that a short quick stroke is enough" wasn't a question or a debate over what is better. It was simply to illustrate that when the speed glue got introduced the table tennis game evolved. Pro players changed from using big long strokes to smaller shorter strokes because the game was so fast that there was simply no time anymore for big long swings.
All that is just not true.
I think the OP is asking which would be faster now: Tenergy (let's assume T05) or Bryce with speed glue? In other words, I don't think the question is whether T05 is faster with the current 40+ ball versus speed-glued Bryce with the smaller and lighter ball of the previous generation.
To the latter question (which I don't think the OP is asking): I think a speed-glued Bryce played faster with the old, small, lighter ball than a T05 does now with the heavier, 40+ ball.
To the question I think is being asked: Butterfly give speed ratings (on their website) as follows:
T05: 13
Bryce: 12
Bryce HighSpeed: 14.5
With those numbers in mind it seems like even an un-speed-glued Bryce HighSpeed is faster than T05 - even against the current 40+ ball. And I suspect a speed-glued Bryce would probably also be faster than T05 against the current 40+ ball.
ÂI think the OP is asking which would be faster now: Tenergy (let's assume T05) or Bryce with speed glue? In other words, I don't think the question is whether T05 is faster with the current 40+ ball versus speed-glued Bryce with the smaller and lighter ball of the previous generation.
To the latter question (which I don't think the OP is asking): I think a speed-glued Bryce played faster with the old, small, lighter ball than a T05 does now with the heavier, 40+ ball.
To the question I think is begin asked: Butterfly give speed ratings (on their website) as follows:
T05: 13
Bryce: 12
Bryce HighSpeed: 14.5
With those numbers in mind it seems like even an un-speed-glued Bryce HighSpeed is faster than T05 - even against the current 40+ ball. And I suspect a speed-glued Bryce would probably also be faster than T05 against the current 40+ ball.
Is that true? Why do top pros not use HighSpeed then?
Faster is not something they need. Otherwise why would any of them use tacky rubbers. Bryce does not get anywhere near as much spin as T05 or D09c.ÂIs that true? Why do top pros not use HighSpeed then?
UpSideDownCarl's answer is spot on: Speed comes primarily from technique, not primarily from equipment. Using equipment that has a spin/speed balance that's appropriate to your own skill level will both help you develop your technique and give you confidence to play your shots with full commitment.
To the topic question - the ones you can control at your max speed.
To the question "Why make a long big stroke when the bat was so fast that a short quick stroke is enough" - because a long big stroke can make a lot of things the short quick stroke wouldn't.
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False! What can you do with a long stroke that can't be done with a short stroke that affects the ball?-------------------------------------------------------------------------
So much faster that it influenced the strokes of the players. Why make a long big stroke when the bat was so fast that a short quick stroke is enough.
Because speed glue increases the speed and spin of your strokes, you can also use a shortened stroke to still attack with power and spin, even when you are unable to use your normal full swing
You don't have to accept this as fact , but I played with speed glue for more then 10 years in National competition and in my opinion ,the bats with speed glue were a lot faster then any bat I play with currently.
All that is just not true.
Langel, these short statements are so unhelpful that they are basically meaningless. I would like you to explain some things about what it was like in the speed glue era rather than making such short statements that seem to me to be more of an attack on someone than anything about the ideas he presented.This short saying tells a lot more.
Langel, these short statements are so unhelpful that they are basically meaningless. I would like you to explain some things about what it was like in the speed glue era rather than making such short statements that seem to me to be more of an attack on someone than anything about the ideas he presented.
Please be detailed in your comment and please, since to me, it looks like you have already made comments that look more like oneupmanship than an actual account of anything, don't refer to the person you were trying to belittle.
Thank you.
Ok, thanks, maybe I will.
But meanwhile I would like the participants in this discussion to think a little more about dwell time, distance travelled by the ball during the dwell time, the trajectory of the stroke during dwell time, the coordinates at which the ball leaves the bat.
If we think about the full swing as just needed to provide the power at the moment of contact and this moment of contact is the same as with a short stroke, than yes - both may give similar results, but even than not Identical, because that moment of contact is never zero, and with the longer swing the ball will travel longer distance and will leave the bat on different coordinates. So even with such a simplified scenario the strokes will be different.
But TT is not so simplified.