❓What Is Your Setup, and WHY?

[Bryan TT]

I have, I like FZD more for a more balanced BH and FH frel

I’ll try both and will see which one i like most. I think that is the best option

 

[FZD999]

Yeah i hear that the dignics 80 is great, never tried it though…
And of course you can’t go wrong with an inner force blade. Great setup! Why do you say that the dignics 80 is perfect?

Dignics 80 is the only rubber in the world with 0 weaknesses...not 1 negative aspect about this rubber

If you list other high-end rubbers, there's always at least 1 weakness. For example:

Dignics 09c: lacks speed without using full force; throw angle is too high/extreme
Dignics 05: unforgiving; way too spin-sensitive; has a very short trajectory, not good for playing away from the table
Dignics 64: lacks high-end spin
Tenergy 05: way too spin-sensitive; too bouncy in short game
Tenergy 64: lacks high-end spin


There is nothing negative you can possibly say about Dignics 80!

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

Nice!! I’m thinking about getting either fan zhendong or viscaria. People are telling me that the fan zhendong alc is slower than the viscaria, but don’t they have the same characteristics?

I think it is more about the balance of the blade, the handle on FZD is a bit wider than Vis/ZJK so there is a bit more weight in the handle.

Why do you say that the dignics 80 is perfect?

D80 is the "in between" Dignics. 05 is more aggressive but it is stricter in its requirements to land your shots, 64 is easier to use and more direct but it can't make arc or spin like 80 or 05. I think its a good rubber for those who want a Dignics that is slightly easier to use than 05 but want more spin than 64 and don't want to deal with the hard sponge of 09C

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Dignics 80 is the only rubber in the world with 0 weaknesses...not 1 negative aspect about this rubber

If you list other high-end rubbers, there's always at least 1 weakness. For example:

Dignics 09c: lacks speed without using full force; throw angle is too high/extreme
Dignics 05: unforgiving; way too spin-sensitive; has a very short trajectory, not good for playing away from the table
Dignics 64: lacks high-end spin
Tenergy 05: way too spin-sensitive; too bouncy in short game
Tenergy 64: lacks high-end spin


There is nothing negative you can possibly say about Dignics 80!

Why do you think that no top players use it if there is no weakness?

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Dignics 05: unforgiving; way too spin-sensitive; has a very short trajectory, not good for playing away from the table

Considering it was the long-time choice on both sides for several of the best players in the world who play far from table a lot...

 

[FZD999]

Why do you think that no top players use it if there is no weakness?

Is Mizutani Jun a top player? He uses Dignics 80 on both sides...

 

[FZD999]

Considering it was the long-time choice on both sides for several of the best players in the world who play far from table a lot...

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/i-feel-that-dignics-05-is-extremely-overrated-is-it-just-me.36359/

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Is Mizutani Jun a top player? He uses Dignics 80 on both sides...

Is the year 2021? Can you name a single other example that didn't retire 4 years ago? Not to mention that he likely had a harder version that plays much similar to commercial D05.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/i-feel-that-dignics-05-is-extremely-overrated-is-it-just-me.36359/

So you didn't like D05. That's fine. A more accurate statement would be that you can't play well with it far from the table but if Kirill, Assar and retired Maze use it on both sides I'm guessing it can play okay far from the table.

 

[FZD999]

Is the year 2021? Can you name a single other example that didn't retire 4 years ago? Not to mention that he likely had a harder version that plays much similar to commercial D05.

Because of the way Dignics 80 is marketed.

Tenergy 05 is marketed as a Flagship rubber.

Dignics 05 is marketed as a Flagship rubber.

Dignics 09c is marketed as a Flagship rubber.

Hurricane 3 is marketed as the classic Chinese-style rubber that the entire CNT uses.


Dignics 80 isn't marketed that way...it's marketed as the Tenergy 80 version of Dignics. Even though Dignics 80 is actually a lot closer to Tenergy 05 than anything else.

Do not underestimate the power of marketing and how it affects people's choices.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Because of the way Dignics 80 is marketed.

Tenergy 05 is marketed as a Flagship rubber.

Dignics 05 is marketed as a Flagship rubber.

Dignics 09c is marketed as a Flagship rubber.

Hurricane 3 is marketed as the classic Chinese-style rubber that the entire CNT uses.


Dignics 80 isn't marketed that way...it's marketed as the Tenergy 80 version of Dignics. Even though Dignics 80 is actually a lot closer to Tenergy 05 than anything else.

Do not underestimate the power of marketing and how it affects people's choices.

They aren't marketed that way, but they have established themselves that way. Though I'm not sure what your point is... you think that sponsored players that get to rigorously test whatever equipment they want are pushed towards 05 and 09c and away from 80 because...marketing?

 

[FZD999]

Just look at the OP for example.

He uses Dignics 09c on both sides, but admits he "never tried Dignics 80"

I'm willing to bet that if the OP were to try Dignics 80, he would like it more than Dignics 09c.

That's the power of marketing right there. Dignics 05 and 09c are more "popular" than Dignics 80. Many simply have never tried Dignics 80.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Just look at the OP for example.

He uses Dignics 09c on both sides, but admits he "never tried Dignics 80"

I'm willing to bet that if the OP were to try Dignics 80, he would like it more than Dignics 09c.

That's the power of marketing right there. Dignics 05 and 09c are more "popular" than Dignics 80. Many simply have never tried Dignics 80.

Ok so if it is a flawless rubber why do so few or zero pros use it? How has D05 been marketed in a way that D80 hasn't?

 

[boretennis]

i came back to table tennis after a 38 year hiatus just a few months ago so i am fooling around with a few different set-up's to figure out what suits me best and gives me most pleasure. the first bat after my 'comeback' was a Stiga Allround Classic with Mark V & Donic Quattro because this is what i had when i last played as a 13-year old. got a bit bored quickly and entered an unhealthy relationship with a Donic Dotec with Fastarc C-1 and Quattro A'Conda. To distract me from this i entered a quite exciting flirt with Sanwei Parla, Xiom Vega Europe and Spinlord Keiler. But since i unfortunately have an EJ gene i sidestepped yet again with another Sanwei, DHS G666 and Victas Spectol S1. we're not really sure yet what to think of each other. and my mind is already somewhere else... having my eyes on something sticky & fast currently 😞

 

[Brs]

Dignics 80 is the only rubber in the world with 0 weaknesses...not 1 negative aspect about this rubber

If you list other high-end rubbers, there's always at least 1 weakness. For example:

Dignics 09c: lacks speed without using full force; throw angle is too high/extreme
Dignics 05: unforgiving; way too spin-sensitive; has a very short trajectory, not good for playing away from the table
Dignics 64: lacks high-end spin
Tenergy 05: way too spin-sensitive; too bouncy in short game
Tenergy 64: lacks high-end spin


There is nothing negative you can possibly say about Dignics 80!

That shit costs $90.

There you go, always smth negative can be said. To think otherwise is defeatist.

 

[FZD999]

That shit costs $90.

There you go, always smth negative can be said. To think otherwise is defeatist.

Still waiting for 1 negative about the rubber itself that doesn’t have to do with price…

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Still waiting for 1 negative about the rubber itself that doesn’t have to do with price…

That the topsheet grip is much worse than D05's and the shot quality ceiling is much worse by extension.

 

[NetProphet]

Dignics 80 is the only rubber in the world with 0 weaknesses...not 1 negative aspect about this rubber

If you list other high-end rubbers, there's always at least 1 weakness. For example:

Dignics 09c: lacks speed without using full force; throw angle is too high/extreme
Dignics 05: unforgiving; way too spin-sensitive; has a very short trajectory, not good for playing away from the table
Dignics 64: lacks high-end spin
Tenergy 05: way too spin-sensitive; too bouncy in short game
Tenergy 64: lacks high-end spin


There is nothing negative you can possibly say about Dignics 80!

D80 has a low arc.
Discuss 😉

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Love the details! Why do you use 2-3 setups! I use only 1😂

I'm still not sure if I like short pips more than inverted rubber. Short pips game is very fun, but some people know how to shut it down quickly. Likewise, many people are bad at playing against pips. I think of it as having two weapons in my arsenal

 

[joshmak10]

That the topsheet grip is much worse than D05's and the shot quality ceiling is much worse by extension.

I can agree to this. As I got better I found I was very limited in my BH with D80. D05 and 09c have much more attacking capabilities as well as spin