19th Asian Games Hangzhou

[zeio]

HKG stuck with the original lineups as well (with Minnie Soo being replaced by Lam Yee Lok due to her condition), and like TPE, those are the best lineups they could've fielded at the time before the entry deadline for Asian Games 2022. Kao Cheng-Jui didn't start to shine until WTT CT Lima in August, which was too late.

Not the case for JPN and KOR at the time. Without LJH and SYB, the men's and women's teams would've been much weaker. South Korea was wise to redo the selections. At the end of the day, people don't care about fairness when you don't bring home the medals that you could have.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

HKG stuck with the original lineups as well (with Minnie Soo being replaced by Lam Yee Lok due to her condition), and like TPE, those are the best lineups they could've fielded at the time before the entry deadline for Asian Games 2022. Kao Cheng-Jui didn't start to shine until WTT CT Lima in August, which was too late.

Not the case for JPN and KOR at the time. Without LJH and SYB, the men's and women's teams would've been much weaker. South Korea was wise to redo the selections. At the end of the day, people don't care about fairness when you don't bring home the medals that you could have.

As a TT fan, who don't look at selection policy,

This is my TPE team
Lin, Chuang, Kao, Huang, Feng, with Liao as reserve
Cheng, Chen, Li, Chien, Huang Yu Wen with Liu and Huang I-Hwa as reserve

There is a problem with "internal" matches vs "international" matches.
Some players since junior age group, have always shown better results against foreigners than oppose to domestic competition.
Hence to me, there isn't a big enough weight on international performance.
But when the organization is based on democratic decision making, and everything is black and white, it is difficult to have grey areas. Else it becomes ugly like "favoritism" in selection.

 

[driversbeat]

I would have put Harimoto or Hirano in position 1 and Hayata in position 3.
Japan always goes with the obvious lineup which leaves their players as sitting ducks against a well-prepared chinese opposition.

 

[zeio]

JTTA: Rigidity = Integrity

 

[NextLevel]

Where to watch?

 

[zeio]

CCTV-5

http://hms2844nc1972666627.live.aikan.miguvideo.com/wh7f454c46tw1582982132_-1228252651/wd_r2/cctv/cctv5hdnew/2500/01.m3u8?msisdn=guest&Channel_ID=0119_04102000-99000_400300000040002&client_ip=139.198.127.250&timestamp=20230816073732&ContentId=265667565&timezone=UTC&mtv_session=9723de29a88e2be1095d8c6d5a75dee9&HlsSubType=1&HlsProfileId=1&nphaid=0&encrypt=12723843ed39c650d67a569eb896dd81

 

[zeio]

Hirano: Stats don't lie.

WT F
JPN vs CHN
Hayata 1-3 SYS
27, 38, 48, 49, 59, 510, 610, 611
42, 43, 53, 54, 64, 65, 75, 76, 86, 89, 99, 910, 1010, 1012
86, 96, 97, 98, 118
10, 11, 41, 46, 56, 57, 59, 69 TO for CHN, 99 epic point from Hayata, 910, 911
After 11 10 encounters (?), Hayata still couldn't receive that pendulum serve well.

Hirano 2-1 -> 2-3 CM
01, 11, 12, 32, 33, 43, 45, 55, 56, 76, 77 slight net for CM, 97 CM misses 2 receives on Hirano's hook serve, 98, 108, 1012
21, 51, 53, 83, 84, 94, 97 Watanabe signals TO at Hirano but no again, 107, 108, 118
11, 12, 32, 34, 64, 65, 75 slight net for Hirano, 95 slight net again for Hirano, 96, 106 dead net for Hirano, 107, 117
01, 11, 13, 33 epic epic epic point from Hirano, 36, 56 slight net for Hirano, 66 epic block from Hirano and TO for CHN, 68, 88, 811
20 corner edge for Hirano, 21, 31 sideline edge for Hirano, 33, 43 slight net for Hirano, 45 TO for Hirano, 55, 56 net for CM, 511

Harimoto 1-3 WMY
30, 31, 41, 43, 73, 75, 85, 95 net for Harimoto, 96, 116
11, 13, 23, 25, 35 WMY can't even touch Harimoto's reverse pendulum serve, 39, 49, 411
10, 13, 23, 24, 34, 35, 45, 47, 57, 59, 79, 711
20, 22, 42, 43, 63, 65 TO for JPN, 85, 86, 106, 1011, 1111, 1113

 

[Shifu]

@zeio
Thanks but unfortunately it’s very laggy for me. Do you maybe have another link?
thanks!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I would have put Harimoto or Hirano in position 1 and Hayata in position 3.
Japan always goes with the obvious lineup which leaves their players as sitting ducks against a well-prepared chinese opposition.

Harimoto won't be able to get 2 points
maybe in a few years time.

putting Hayata in 3 would likely get fan backlash too and at 3, won't even guarantee a point....
So no matter how you put the team roster, it will require Chinese players to give away the points.
HT winning 2 last year was really super special and I think it will be a while when we see what Singapore did (LSW gave away the points then)

 

[quanghuysk]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1401006880449455

enjoy it privately man, really appreciate TTR

 

[zeio]

First time JPN took 4 games off of CHN in WT F since Asian Games 2014.

https://youtu.be/MhL_LhJeA40
https://youtu.be/qWn5IhQuUCc
https://youtu.be/ugN85dkRios

 

[zeio]

马琳叫过有效暂停吗 (Has MLin ever called an effective TO?)

贴吧404

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[Shifu]

Why do all these close games go to China? Is it a difference of skill, mentality or tactics?

 

[quanghuysk]

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enjoy the men final games

 

[NextLevel]

Why do all these close games go to China? Is it a difference of skill, mentality or tactics?

Yes yes yes. The first and third eapecially, the second is just reinforcement for bad days.

 

[zeio]

I wonder how Iran would do in the final.

MT F
KOR vs CHN
LJH 1-3 WCQ
910, 911
25, 27, 67, 68, 118
10, 12, 32, 34, 45, 47, 58, 511
10, 11, 21, 23, 43, 44, 54, 55, 65, 66, 76, 77, 97, 98, 108, 1012

AJH 0-3 FZD
55, 510, 611
63, 64, 74, 76, 86, 87, 107, 1012
03, 14, 24, 25, 36, 311

Park Ganghyeon vs ML
311
109, 1010 TO for KOR, 1012
57, 58, 68, 611

 

[zeio]

Why do all these close games go to China? Is it a difference of skill, mentality or tactics?

See what Mizutani says.

 

[NextLevel]

Yes yes yes. The first and third eapecially, the second is just reinforcement for bad days.

To expand on #3, there is an interview with Saive where he discusses how much tactical knowledge China collected on him. He talks about one match where the coach was unavailable and he got a lead and when the coach showed up, his opponent made a comeback. Knowing where your opponent likes to put the ball, what they typically serve at key points etc. can be a massive cheat code. It is hard to violate being yourself. Especially when you have been studied over long periods of time. Very few countries can invest that kind of time into deeply knowing the opponents. Basically the top ones.

 

[zeio]

First medal in 65 years for Iran!

Gives "Nima jiayou" a totally new meaning in Mandarin.

https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/48...tennis-wins-Iran-s-first-medal-after-65-years

 

[TensorBackhand]

Hirano: Stats don't lie.

WT F
JPN vs CHN
Hayata 1-3 SYS
27, 38, 48, 49, 59, 510, 610, 611
42, 43, 53, 54, 64, 65, 75, 76, 86, 89, 99, 910, 1010, 1012
86, 96, 97, 98, 118
10, 11, 41, 46, 56, 57, 59, 69 TO for CHN, 99 epic point from Hayata, 910, 911
After 11 10 encounters (?), Hayata still couldn't receive that pendulum serve well.

Hirano 2-1 -> 2-3 CM
01, 11, 12, 32, 33, 43, 45, 55, 56, 76, 77 slight net for CM, 97 CM misses 2 receives on Hirano's hook serve, 98, 108, 1012
21, 51, 53, 83, 84, 94, 97 Watanabe signals TO at Hirano but no again, 107, 108, 118
11, 12, 32, 34, 64, 65, 75 slight net for Hirano, 95 slight net again for Hirano, 96, 106 dead net for Hirano, 107, 117
01, 11, 13, 33 epic epic epic point from Hirano, 36, 56 slight net for Hirano, 66 epic block from Hirano and TO for CHN, 68, 88, 811
20 corner edge for Hirano, 21, 31 sideline edge for Hirano, 33, 43 slight net for Hirano, 45 TO for Hirano, 55, 56 net for CM, 511

Harimoto 1-3 WMY
30, 31, 41, 43, 73, 75, 85, 95 net for Harimoto, 96, 116
11, 13, 23, 25, 35 WMY can't even touch Harimoto's reverse pendulum serve, 39, 49, 411
10, 13, 23, 24, 34, 35, 45, 47, 57, 59, 79, 711
20, 22, 42, 43, 63, 65 TO for JPN, 85, 86, 106, 1011, 1111, 1113

Happy to see Miwa get some big stage action. But why wasn't Mima Ito fielded?