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The fact that Aruna decided to skip WTT CS Incheon 2024 (even if he notified WTT a month ahead of time, which still violated the rules) while the others in the same situation made an appearance severely weakens Aruna's case here.

As for the WTTC 2024, he made an entry on his social media on 2/16 that he was seriously ill with food poisoning and would not take part, and according to the entry on 4/2, he was down for 5 days and the medical certificate was signed/issued on 2/26, one day after the WTTC ended on 2/25 (who knows when WTT received it). According to Steve Dainton's written response, he says WTT made the attempt to actively help him to get the medical certificate handed in. So exactly how many days did it take Aruna from start to end of the process?

2/16
https://www.instagram.com/quadriaruna/p/C3ZIQ0Xo2Ua/
4/2
https://www.instagram.com/quadriaruna/p/C5QWPHAtfj4/
Steve Dainton's written response
https://www.sohu.com/a/769658694_114977
Are all those players paying out of pocket or funded by their national teams to attend these events? It is of interest to know who is funding what when doing these apples to oranges comparisons.

Remember that for Busan, the punishment being applied to Quadri should technically be applied to the NTTF. Quadri is being punished because Nigeria did not fund a team. Reflect on that a bit. When Boll doesn't go to Busan, does he get punished or sanctioned?

I have seen Nigeria fail to send teams for junior events as well as female events in many contexts. But I don't want to discuss the matter too much, it is not my job to wash Nigeria's dirty linen in front of everyone. My main point here is that I am not clear on how a player's inability to attend an event for which he had a documented medical excuse becomes a reason to sanction him when he is playing for his country! The country should simply have replaced him with another player and the sanction should be applied to the country. But WTT and ITTF clearly have some logic that makes this all one and the same.
 
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Once again, don't ask me. Ask them.

As I wrote in that post, it's "not ideal but a compromise, nonetheless." The question is why the ETTU couldn't avoid the conflict, when CTTA, JTTA, KTTA et. al. could.
You mean there is an Asian club champions league? Or that the ETTU is now a country org and not a continental organization and your analogy is perfect? Seriously?
 
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Are all those players paying out of pocket or funded by their national teams to attend these events? It is of interest to know who is funding what when doing these apples to oranges comparisons.

Remember that for Busan, the punishment being applied to Quadri should technically be applied to the NTTF. Quadri is being punished because Nigeria did not fund a team. Reflect on that a bit. When Boll doesn't go to Busan, does he get punished or sanctioned?

I have seen Nigeria fail to send teams for junior events as well as female events in many contexts. But I don't want to discuss the matter too much, it is not my job to wash Nigeria's dirty linen in front of everyone. My main point here is that I am not clear on how a player's inability to attend an event for which he had a documented medical excuse becomes a reason to sanction him when he is playing for his country! The country should simply have replaced him with another player and the sanction should be applied to the country. But WTT and ITTF clearly have some logic that makes this all one and the same.
It doesn't matter.

The ITTF TTWR regulations state that entry cancellation after entries deadline due to budget problems for automatic entry by WR events (WTT Grand Smash Main Draw, WTT Finals, WTT Champions) incurs a penalty (see image below). Paying out of pocket or funded by whatever, that's their problem.

Whether the penalty should be applied to Aruna or NTTF is not up for debate here. His name was on the lineup and he even published his flight ticket, meaning he was prepared to attend WTTC 2024. That means he is responsible for any consequences, walk-over in all group matches due to illness, and he was required to provide proof no later than the end of the event or incur penalty. As suggested by Dainton, Aruna should make a final appeal. If he were to take WTT to court, the case he can make here is that he was down 5 days and he needs to convince the judge that he made every effort within his power and still couldn't get that medical certificate handed in in time. He needs to demonstrate by his case that a more reasonable amount of time should have been given rather than "no later than the end of the event". Both WTT and Aruna will have to make a compromise here to solve this.

https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/upl...Tennis-World-Ranking-Regulations-20240304.pdf
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You mean there is an Asian club champions league? Or that the ETTU is now a country org and not a continental organization and your analogy is perfect? Seriously?
ECL isn't managed by ETTU? The conflict is ETTU's problem. Ever wonder why ATTU did not hold Asian Cup 2023 (China was supposed to be the host), or that Asian Cup 2024 will be held near the end of the year? To avoid conflicts?

ITTF, WTT and ETTU meet in Doha
https://www.ittf.com/2021/03/14/ittf-wtt-ettu-meet-doha/
 
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My main point here is that I am not clear on how a player's inability to attend an event for which he had a documented medical excuse becomes a reason to sanction him when he is playing for his country! The country should simply have replaced him with another player and the sanction should be applied to the country. But WTT and ITTF clearly have some logic that makes this all one and the same.
I think you are so correct here
it is a teams event, the punishment should be towards the MA and not individual players forming part of such team.
if any punishment, it should be the internal punishment between the Nigerian table tennis body and its players for not pitching. ITTF/WTT should really be dealing with the MA and not affiliates to it.
 
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Aruna is not the only "poor" guy that we should feel sorry for here.
you are stuck with Aruna? you need to think out of the box, as the problem isn't only 1 player.
Why so many European, Americas, Africans, Oceania players are struggling to keep up with WTT's harsh rules, that you don't understand?

There are a lot of unfairness in the sport, even German players have talked about it. But they choose to live with it as it is impossible to fight for fairness.
But when things are touching bottom line (money), it is getting very personal for many players.

maybe in your country, athletes have no voice
for the rest of the world, athlete commission should be a very powerful organization within a sporting body.

as one of my friends (pretty famous) said, no players, no tournament.
at the moment table tennis athlete voice has zero power and that is not right and that is my AGENDA (read it shine), that I am pushing. athletes need to have more power and fans can choose to be with players or choose to be with ITTF
 
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Have I ever demonstrated against Aruna's remonstrations?? Of course players need to be treated with respect and get compensated well, Can you find where I've argued against that??
Besides, I and Aruna actually have a lot in common that I don't need to get into here. I've said before and I'm saying it again that your crutch against the authorities in this instance is valid. There are some things that your peripheral vision miss that mine don't, and that's no fault of mine buddy.
Please calm down, take a chill pill, you're a big man okay?? Cheers.
 
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Have I ever demonstrated against Aruna's remonstrations?? Of course players need to be treated with respect and get compensated well, Can you find where I've argued against that??
Besides, I and Aruna actually have a lot in common that I don't need to get into here. I've said before and I'm saying it again that your crutch against the authorities in this instance is valid. There are some things that your peripheral vision miss that mine don't, and that's no fault of mine buddy.
Please calm down, take a chill pill, you're a big man okay?? Cheers.
Are you zeio?

what is my agenda? I merely just told you what my agenda is, and you thinking you are zeio?
because you thinking I said you demonstrated against Aruna's remostrations? Your reply surely has confused me. lol
only person doing this is zeio, so are you zeio too?

I think you need to calm down and know who you are and stop thinking you are other people.
 
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ECL isn't managed by ETTU? The conflict is ETTU's problem. Ever wonder why ATTU did not hold Asian Cup 2023 (China was supposed to be the host), or that Asian Cup 2024 will be held near the end of the year? To avoid conflicts?

ITTF, WTT and ETTU meet in Doha
https://www.ittf.com/2021/03/14/ittf-wtt-ettu-meet-doha/
You didn't mention ATTU in your original post, you mentioned various Asian national associations vs the ETTU. That was my point. Even accepting your change of focus, ATTU has no analogous event to the ECL so again, these are apples to oranges comparisons but you persist in making them for reasons only known to you.
 
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It doesn't matter.

The ITTF TTWR regulations state that entry cancellation after entries deadline due to budget problems for automatic entry by WR events (WTT Grand Smash Main Draw, WTT Finals, WTT Champions) incurs a penalty (see image below). Paying out of pocket or funded by whatever, that's their problem.

Whether the penalty should be applied to Aruna or NTTF is not up for debate here. His name was on the lineup and he even published his flight ticket, meaning he was prepared to attend WTTC 2024. That means he is responsible for any consequences, walk-over in all group matches due to illness, and he was required to provide proof no later than the end of the event or incur penalty. As suggested by Dainton, Aruna should make a final appeal. If he were to take WTT to court, the case he can make here is that he was down 5 days and he needs to convince the judge that he made every effort within his power and still couldn't get that medical certificate handed in in time. He needs to demonstrate by his case that a more reasonable amount of time should have been given rather than "no later than the end of the event". Both WTT and Aruna will have to make a compromise here to solve this.

https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/upl...Tennis-World-Ranking-Regulations-20240304.pdf
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We can agree to disagree, I know of no situation in team sports where a country fails to send players and the penalty is addressed to the player ans not the country for failure to participate. This is the kind of thing that Quadri is speaking about when he talks of racism. Taking approaches that have disparate impact on players from primarily self funding associations is going to hurt African players much more. Very few top players have the kind of experiences Quadri has. Citing Tanaka doesn't impact that in any meaningful way, but I will just wait for the next oranges to apples comparison.
 
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We can agree to disagree, I know of no situation in team sports where a country fails to send players and the penalty is addressed to the player ans not the country for failure to participate. This is the kind of thing that Quadri is speaking about when he talks of racism. Taking approaches that have disparate impact on players from primarily self funding associations is going to hurt African players much more. Very few top players have the kind of experiences Quadri has. Citing Tanaka doesn't impact that in any meaningful way, but I will just wait for the next oranges to apples comparison.
Badminton. BWF moved to the merit-based ranking in 2007 (1, 2, 3) and soon after penalty for late withdrawal/late cancellation was implemented. The current "Player Commitment Regulations" were first implemented in 2018 and suspended during COVID-19 and resumed in 2023.

As of 2023/11/11
https://corporate.bwfbadminton.com/statutes/#1513733528967-47d667b6-0737
https://extranet.bwf.sport/docs/doc...nces and Penalties - 16 October 2023 V2.3.pdf
https://extranet.bwf.sport/docs/doc...tment Regulations - 11 November 2023 V3.0.pdf

国际羽联再度"整风" 退赛选手罚款涨至500美元
https://sports.sohu.com/20080107/n254507614.shtml
BWF to impose penalty on nations whose players fail to show up
https://www.badmintoncentral.com/fo...-nations-whose-players-fail-to-show-up.51194/
国际羽联出台新规定 高额罚款严惩临战退赛球员
https://sports.sohu.com/20081224/n261384790.shtml
2018年BWF新賽制
https://www.victorsport.com.tw/news/17237
解讀世界羽聯規定 無故缺席“還可加罰”
https://www.chinapress.com.my/20180119/解讀世界羽聯規定-無故缺席還可加罰/
羽球》新制惹的禍!戴資穎不打南韓公開賽 恐被罰3萬
https://sports.ltn.com.tw/news/breakingnews/2544117
羽球》戴資穎注意!世界羽聯擬恢復頂級球員參賽制 退賽者將遭罰
https://sports.ltn.com.tw/news/breakingnews/4132466
BWF Regulation of Top Committed Players
https://www.badmintoncentral.com/fo...f-regulation-of-top-committed-players.179375/
Top Committed Players Programme 2023
https://corporate.bwfbadminton.com/news-single/2022/11/22/top-committed-players-programme-2023
Top Committed Player Programme 2024
https://corporate.bwfbadminton.com/news-single/2024/03/06/top-committed-player-programme-2024-2/
 
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Badminton. BWF moved to the merit-based ranking in 2007 (1, 2, 3) and soon after penalty for late withdrawal/late cancellation was implemented. The current "Player Commitment Regulations" were first implemented in 2018 and suspended during COVID-19 and resumed in 2023.

As of 2023/11/11
https://corporate.bwfbadminton.com/statutes/#1513733528967-47d667b6-0737
https://extranet.bwf.sport/docs/document-system/81/1466/1468/Section 2.5 - Table of Offences and Penalties - 16 October 2023 V2.3.pdf
https://extranet.bwf.sport/docs/document-system/81/1466/1471/Section 5.3.6 - Player Commitment Regulations - 11 November 2023 V3.0.pdf

国际羽联再度"整风" 退赛选手罚款涨至500美元
https://sports.sohu.com/20080107/n254507614.shtml
BWF to impose penalty on nations whose players fail to show up
https://www.badmintoncentral.com/fo...-nations-whose-players-fail-to-show-up.51194/
国际羽联出台新规定 高额罚款严惩临战退赛球员
https://sports.sohu.com/20081224/n261384790.shtml
2018年BWF新賽制
https://www.victorsport.com.tw/news/17237
解讀世界羽聯規定 無故缺席“還可加罰”
https://www.chinapress.com.my/20180119/解讀世界羽聯規定-無故缺席還可加罰/
羽球》新制惹的禍!戴資穎不打南韓公開賽 恐被罰3萬
https://sports.ltn.com.tw/news/breakingnews/2544117
羽球》戴資穎注意!世界羽聯擬恢復頂級球員參賽制 退賽者將遭罰
https://sports.ltn.com.tw/news/breakingnews/4132466
BWF Regulation of Top Committed Players
https://www.badmintoncentral.com/fo...f-regulation-of-top-committed-players.179375/
Top Committed Players Programme 2023
https://corporate.bwfbadminton.com/news-single/2022/11/22/top-committed-players-programme-2023
Top Committed Player Programme 2024
https://corporate.bwfbadminton.com/news-single/2024/03/06/top-committed-player-programme-2024-2/
Rather than spam, can you please cite what you find specifically relevant to this discussion that shows where a player is fined for not attending a national event as opposed to the country being fined for not fielding a team and the professional association that justifies it? I really don't have time to read everything and try to find what apples to orange comparison you are trying to make now.
 
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I have elaborated enough. That's not spamming. Those are examples from another racket sport folks need to see for themselves. It won't get anywhere with this "agree to disagree". That's not the point here. If Aruna brings WTT to court with his case, he's gonna lose. The best he can hope for is settlement. And for that to happen, he has to make a compromise, rather than weaponizing racism and enslavement.
 
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I have elaborated enough. That's not spamming. Those are examples from another racket sport folks need to see for themselves. It won't get anywhere with this "agree to disagree". That's not the point here. If Aruna brings WTT to court with his case, he's gonna lose. The best he can hope for is settlement. And for that to happen, he has to make a compromise, rather than weaponizing racism and enslavement.
Okay. I guess everyone can decide for themselves if they are willing to wade through the links whether it is normal for an athlete to get punished for the failure of a nation to send a national team. Not holding my breath here.
 
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You didn't mention ATTU in your original post, you mentioned various Asian national associations vs the ETTU. That was my point. Even accepting your change of focus, ATTU has no analogous event to the ECL so again, these are apples to oranges comparisons but you persist in making them for reasons only known to you.
Look, there is ITTF Africa, ITTF Americas, ITTF Asia and ITTF Oceania, but NOT ITTF Europe. Why?

http://africa.ittf.com/
http://americas.ittf.com/
http://asia.ittf.com/
http://oceania.ittf.com/

Asian Table Tennis Union Announces New Website
https://www.ittf.com/2022/07/26/asian-table-tennis-union-announces-new-website/
The new website is the product of collaboration between the ATTU Executive Committee and the ITTF Group, which previously worked together with ITTF Africa and ITTF Americas.
 
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Look, there is ITTF Africa, ITTF Americas, ITTF Asia and ITTF Oceania, but NOT ITTF Europe. Why?

http://africa.ittf.com/
http://americas.ittf.com/
http://asia.ittf.com/
http://oceania.ittf.com/

Asian Table Tennis Union Announces New Website
https://www.ittf.com/2022/07/26/asian-table-tennis-union-announces-new-website/

are you claiming that ITTF does not include Europe?
The quality of your debate has really gone downhill. Have you even visited these link you use? I have and don't really visit them, as it is really terrible.

Firstly, lets talk about ITTF Statue:

1.19. CONTINENTAL FEDERATIONS
1.19.1. There shall be five Continental Federations, one each from the geographical regions
of Africa, the Americas, Asia, Europe, and Oceania

1.20. AFFILIATION WITH THE ITTF
1.20.1. The Continental Federations shall be affiliated to the ITTF according to established criteria, prescribed by the ITTF Council following a proposal from the Continental Council

1.20.3. The affiliation of the Continental Federations has the following goals:
1.20.3.1. to increase cooperation in events and marketing as well to develop Table
Tennis cooperatively;
1.20.3.2. to formalise the status of Continental Federations within the Statutes;
1.20.3.3. to qualify for development funding in accordance with the agreement stated
under Article 1.20.2.; and
1.20.3.4. to link continental events to the World Title Events to reinforce greater
marketing value and ensuring the participation of the top Athletes.


lets get back to your post and to help you know why.
but NOT ITTF Europe. Why?
so is there an ITTF Asia? NO
There is only ATTU - the link of asia.ittf.com is not ITTF Asia, but of ATTU
ATTU does not have its own website..... shocking right?
Same as African table tennis union.

Is there a continental body for Americas and Oceania? (yes is the answer, but I will leave that for some other day)
ETTU is the continental body for Europe and has the most functional website of all the continent (yes, including beating ATTU)

If any, ETTU is the leader of these continental websites.
America, Oceania and Africa require ITTF to help host they website, but in the capacity as ITTF Americas/ Oceania / Africa
ITTF Asia is badge ATTU, but says it is powered by the ITTF Group and is really the same template as the other 4.


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All 4 of them have very little content to speak of.
for example, the mighty non existant ITTF Asia, or ATTU with a news 5 days ago, and then 7 months ago.... I thought Asia hosted 2 worlds cups and 1 world championships recently....

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you actually get more Asian table tennis news on ETTU than on ATTU website... it is actually really unacceptable to be honest.

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ETTU is powered by themselves.
We need all continental federations to match that of ETTU.

So far, from evidence in your links, ATTU do not live up to the requirements of the ITTF Statue, or atleast, they show little regards to the website representing them. ITTF Africa, America and Oceania beat ATTU by a lot, and ETTU is clearly king.

So, I'm not sure why you think bringing up these websites, especially that of ATTU, to challenge Nextlevel and ETTU would even work in your favor.....

so, to answer you on why no ITTF Europe, it probably looks like this
ITTF: do you want us to make your website?
ETTU: are you kiding me? I mean, no thank you.

If table tennis people don't even respect the sport, how can you expect non table tennis people to respect it?
 
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