26th Asian Table Tennis Championship

[fore.n.back]

where do you want the Asian Cup games ?

ATTU live channel

 

[turbozed]

ATTU Live is not streaming Table 1 (Women's SF between Japan and China). How do I view this?

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

@zeio you got it wrong this time

CHEN Xingtong was chosen to be N3 player and she trashed Mima ITO.
looks like HIRANO took by surprise CHEN Meng in G1 but then she got trashed as well
HAYATA lost 0-3 but looks like it was a bit more of a fight.

Japan's women got humiliated (again)

I'm not surprised by ITO's results. she can't even dominate in Japan anymore (ie her loss to YOKOI in national champs) and has consistently lost badly to all CNT players in opens in what now looks forever.

CNT was well prepared indeed.
It will be probably a final v Korea. SHIN Yubin is very good but i doubt she can do much and we can't expect any result from JEON Jihee and SUH Hyowon.

 

[SFF_lib]

SYS is one fire. She is more powerful than CM. If Hayata played CM she could probably get a set.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

The way guys go on this thread. it is as though the whole tournament is made up of Team China and Japan only. I am so jealous...

Have some alternative news to break you guys out of your echo chamber. wink wink

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

I watched the match between India vs Japan Women Team specifically Hayata versus Batra.
I could not stand Batra and her block with long-pips strategy. Yes, I am a pips hater! Anyway, I love how Hayata change and adapt to that game won over pips as the match progress.

I notice Hayata changed from fast drive to slower more spinny loop to disrupt Batra's pips. During the initial stage, Hayata fast drive comes back fast and she is caught flat-footed. But by changing the strategy she regain her advantage. But Batra who is over-reliance on her beloved pips does not or perhaps cannot change her strategy and is at mercy of Hayata's slow and more spinny loops. Perhaps this is the weakness of pips, they cannot do anything and is purely at the mercy of inverted's spin.

 

[igorponger]

Mixed teams composed of two man t+two woman going to replace separated teams later on, starting October 2023. For economy reason above all. Overinflation of entrance makes many troubles for ITTF.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Wang Manyu will play

I watched the match between India vs Japan Women Team specifically Hayata versus Batra.
I could not stand Batra and her block with long-pips strategy. Yes, I am a pips hater! Anyway, I love how Hayata change and adapt to that game won over pips as the match progress.

I notice Hayata changed from fast drive to slower more spinny loop to disrupt Batra's pips. During the initial stage, Hayata fast drive comes back fast and she is caught flat-footed. But by changing the strategy she regain her advantage. But Batra who is over-reliance on her beloved pips does not or perhaps cannot change her strategy and is at mercy of Hayata's slow and more spinny loops. Perhaps this is the weakness of pips, they cannot do anything and is purely at the mercy of inverted's spin.

pips can attack too, especially Batra.
you probably haven't watched enough of high level chop blockers to understand what they can do.

What Hayata does was to change the tempo and to be in control and not to be controlled

 

[driversbeat]

Comments on the Terebi Tokyo channel are saying that Sato should have been chosen to target CXT. Although the chances of CXT being selected were low for the reasons Zeio mentioned, Sato would also have been a good matchup against WYD. But even if China had chosen WMY, Japanese netizens were saying that Sato has never been trashed badly against Chinese opponents and would have probably put up a better fight than Ito who only managed 14 points in 3 sets. It's also for the same reasons that I believe it was a huge wasted opportunity to bench Sato at WWC 2019 and WTTC 2022, particularly in this era where China isn't as adept at playing choppers like they were in the early 2000s.

My guess is that Japan were hoping for Ito to be matched up against WMY, the only player that she's come close to beating this Olympic cycle. But once again, China shows that they're one step ahead of their opponents when it comes to lineups. Doesn't help that Japan is way too transparent. Switching Hayata and Hirano around might have improved their odds, even just a little. Once again, Japan has kinda shot themselves in the foot.

 

[TensorBackhand]

@zeio you got it wrong this time

CHEN Xingtong was chosen to be N3 player and she trashed Mima ITO.
looks like HIRANO took by surprise CHEN Meng in G1 but then she got trashed as well
HAYATA lost 0-3 but looks like it was a bit more of a fight.

Japan's women got humiliated (again)

I'm not surprised by ITO's results. she can't even dominate in Japan anymore (ie her loss to YOKOI in national champs) and has consistently lost badly to all CNT players in opens in what now looks forever.

CNT was well prepared indeed.
It will be probably a final v Korea. SHIN Yubin is very good but i doubt she can do much and we can't expect any result from JEON Jihee and SUH Hyowon.

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Don't worry. Miwa Harimoto is coming up and will challenge Sun yingsha

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Comments on the Terebi Tokyo channel are saying that Sato should have been chosen to target CXT. Although the chances of CXT being selected were low for the reasons Zeio mentioned, Sato would also have been a good matchup against WYD. But even if China had chosen WMY, Japanese netizens were saying that Sato has never been trashed badly against Chinese opponents and would have probably put up a better fight than Ito who only managed 14 points in 3 sets. It's also for the same reasons that I believe it was a huge wasted opportunity to bench Sato at WWC 2019 and WTTC 2022, particularly in this era where China isn't as adept at playing choppers like they were in the early 2000s.

My guess is that Japan were hoping for Ito to be matched up against WMY, the only player that she's come close to beating this Olympic cycle. But once again, China shows that they're one step ahead of their opponents when it comes to lineups. Doesn't help that Japan is way too transparent. Switching Hayata and Hirano around might have improved their odds, even just a little. Once again, Japan has kinda shot themselves in the foot.

This is the problem with having choppers in a team event.
Where do you put the chopper?
How do you know where your opponent will place which player.

So chopper wise, its a big gamble.

If the chopper was the number 1 or 2 player, then their will play (look at the old Korean team)
But when the chopper is 3 ~ 5, then it is very difficult to place them.

and then, if Sato did play and take a match. Japan would still loose 3-1

You need someone who is good enough to take 2, and then another to take 1. Hopefully you have 2 others that can take 1, as insurance.

 

[driversbeat]

This is the problem with having choppers in a team event.
Where do you put the chopper?
How do you know where your opponent will place which player.

So chopper wise, its a big gamble.

If the chopper was the number 1 or 2 player, then their will play (look at the old Korean team)
But when the chopper is 3 ~ 5, then it is very difficult to place them.

and then, if Sato did play and take a match. Japan would still loose 3-1

You need someone who is good enough to take 2, and then another to take 1. Hopefully you have 2 others that can take 1, as insurance.

They were going to lose badly anyway. Chen Meng has struggled against choppers as well (see vs Han Ying 2020) and more recently Suh Hyo Won gave SYS a good fight at some WTT event that I can't be bothered to look up. Point is, Japan needs that confidence boost, and Ito's performance is doing the exact opposite.

 

[zeio]

@zeio you got it wrong this time

CHEN Xingtong was chosen to be N3 player and she trashed Mima ITO.
looks like HIRANO took by surprise CHEN Meng in G1 but then she got trashed as well
HAYATA lost 0-3 but looks like it was a bit more of a fight.

Japan's women got humiliated (again)

I'm not surprised by ITO's results. she can't even dominate in Japan anymore (ie her loss to YOKOI in national champs) and has consistently lost badly to all CNT players in opens in what now looks forever.

CNT was well prepared indeed.
It will be probably a final v Korea. SHIN Yubin is very good but i doubt she can do much and we can't expect any result from JEON Jihee and SUH Hyowon.

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Not just this time. Like Fukuhara, I think I almost never got it right. When I think they wouldn't follow the rules, they prove me wrong and vice versa.

Hirano being the only one to take a game was also unexpected, even though I thought she had done the best in this Olympic cycle, which is also supported by her international stats, particularly the ~67% win rate against CNT players this year. I expected Hayata to do that. Ito played like shit as expected.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

They were going to lose badly anyway. Chen Meng has struggled against choppers as well (see vs Han Ying 2020) and more recently Suh Hyo Won gave SYS a good fight at some WTT event that I can't be bothered to look up. Point is, Japan needs that confidence boost, and Ito's performance is doing the exact opposite.

yep

and with the Japanese trio, if you were to drop Ito for Sato, and if Sato looses, then you will also get some flack from the fans.

no matter what, the fans will moan
Its a tough one
If Sato was closer to Han Ying, then I'm sure she will play more.

 

[zeio]

WT F
KOR vs CHN
SYB vs SYS
JJH vs CM
YHE vs WYD

What's up with WMY?

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

browsing through youtube and ATTU channel
but can't find the link to watch the final ?

 

[Metaxa]

"Slower despite more muscle" reads strange. Muscles deliver power, but muscle mass comes at the expense of agility/speed.

And he already has/had not the fastest reaction time

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

for the Chinese team, it were nice vacations in Korea...

 

[NextLevel]

I watched the match between India vs Japan Women Team specifically Hayata versus Batra.
I could not stand Batra and her block with long-pips strategy. Yes, I am a pips hater! Anyway, I love how Hayata change and adapt to that game won over pips as the match progress.

I notice Hayata changed from fast drive to slower more spinny loop to disrupt Batra's pips. During the initial stage, Hayata fast drive comes back fast and she is caught flat-footed. But by changing the strategy she regain her advantage. But Batra who is over-reliance on her beloved pips does not or perhaps cannot change her strategy and is at mercy of Hayata's slow and more spinny loops. Perhaps this is the weakness of pips, they cannot do anything and is purely at the mercy of inverted's spin.

This is level-relative for long-pips, but it is largely true. The pips player's variation is dependent on the inverted player's production. Otherwise, long-pips players would use pips on both sides - they need one side to be spinnier to be able to force the opponent to produce some of the variation they need. Batra actually has a pretty strong inverted side, Hayata probably just outplayed her with consistency.

 

[zeio]

Batra: It's easy to forget what happened 9 months ago.

https://mytabletennis.net/forum/for...&title=asian-cup-2022-bangkok-11-1719#1135087

Hayata 2-4 Batra
I thought they knew how to play long pips. Can't believe it took Ishida/Hayata until G4 to adjust by serving pure backspin/nospin ball in lieu of side-top/underspin. What was keeping Ishida from calling TO until 109 in G4 (ultimately 106 -> 1012)?

https://youtu.be/DeQCM-I2-H8?t=15670

Gotta admit that Batra has improved in recent years.

Ito in 2022
https://youtu.be/DeQCM-I2-H8?t=6299

Hirano in 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rn0gw49Hf8

Ito in 2021
https://www.miguvideo.com/p/live/120000149774
Hirano in 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jdlagiX01c