Advice needed - Shang Kun AC vs Dynasty Carbon

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Dear all, I need your help to decide which blade should I get next.

My level & style: Penholder with Full RPB, plays in local leagues in UK - not the first division. Forehand is decent for someone without regular coaching, backhand is a weakness that I sometimes get away with if my opponent doesn't realise I am left-handed. Physically not fast or powerful, but willing to run around with above average tenacity. Big swings in general, prefers to hit the ball late rather than early, topspin rather than flat hit (unless I panicked). Try to become a mid-table two-wing looper in the long run.

My current setups:
- Nittaku Rutis Revo - Sieger PK50 - Fastarc G1: feels hard but acceptable, sufficient speed, feels good with the backhand. My biggest problem with this blade is that its head size is quite small (157*150 mm), and it is not forgiving, I miss my FH topspin more often than I wanted, especially when I am out of position. It feels slightly better if I shorten my swings. Its arc also seems relatively short, I struggle to push my opponent back when I am forced to mid-table. I think this is more suitable for a fast-paced close-to-the-table style, but I don't have the reaction for such a style.
- Sword Star Diamond Forest - Razka Z extra hard - AK47 Red: feels softer than Rutis Revo (which I like), but slow. Even with ESN hybrids, my forehand isn't blowing anyone away if I hit it right at them. It is forgiving and I can prolong the rallies, but it is just a slower death.

Last time I had a coaching session I asked my coach to try my setups. He said the Star Diamond Forest is way too slow, the Rutis Revo is just fast enough that I can work on generating my own power. He said I could try faster setups, just not the super-fast one that would affect my strokes and timings. Last week I borrowed two blades from my friend for testing, and my feelings about them:
- Dynasty Carbon Xu Xin Edition - Skyline 2 - Hurricane 3 37: It is slower than the Rutis Revo (obviously the rubbers are very different). Forehand topspin feels great with lots of spin, but I have to swing big to activate the bat. Once I managed that the arc is great. I can force my opponent to keep blocking. Sweetspot is super big, I can really let myself go and just swing as hard as I can on my forehand. On the other hand, backhand is quite demanding. Feels weird if I play passively. Drastic change in feel and behaviour once I start swinging with moderate power. In a game, I can't swing well enough to attack with my backhand with this setup, I kept blocking all the time. Short game is very good - my serves were too short a few times. The whole setup is slightly heavy, but I think most problems could be solved by changing the rubbers (any boosters in those rubbers would have been gone already).
- Zhang Jike ALC - Hybrid K2 - Tenergy 05: The K2 was pretty worn out so I tested this bat with the T05 side on both wings. Backhand plays like a dream, feels pretty automatic. Forehand feels surprisingly soft and controlled compare to my Rutis Revo. However, I am devoted to not buy anything Butterfly.

I am currently considering between the following two blades, will be bought from Japan:
- Dynasty Carbon (Normal edition): based on internet search, the normal edition is slightly harder than the XX edition, which I hope to make it better on the backhand side and I won't need such a big swing on the forehand. It would be around 20000 Yen (~140 USD). My main worry is issue with splintering and QC - it was said to have a rough finish. Also it may not be very easy to use for the backhand, although technique is the biggest problem there.
- Shang Kun AC: Felix Lebrun reportedly used this before having his own blade. Personally I can't convince myself to buy Felix's blade because of the handle design (nothing against the French, but I am not French). I have seen reviews saying this blade is one of the faster inner-fibre blade, so I expect it would be a bit similar to the ZJK ALC and be more balanced between forehand and backhand than the Dynasty Carbon. It would be around 12000 Yen (~85 USD). However, I have never tested this blade myself, so there is more uncertainty about how it may perform. Some online reviews say it is faster but less spinny than other inner-fibre blade like Hurricane Long 5, others say it is very spinny and controlled but lack the top gears.
Whilst I can afford to buy both, I am not very keen on that because I will sand my blade, and as a left-handed penholder I would have zero chance to resell it. Even if I buy both, I still need to decide which one to test first. I know my technique is far from good, I will keep practising, but I won't be getting 1-on-1 coaching every other week, so I would like to get something that is easy to use, not as demanding as the Rutis Revo, and will allow me to grow into the player I want to be. I am most likely to use ESN hybrid on the forehand and ESN non-tacky rubber on the backhand, if this is relevant. Please help me out!
 
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This is not the answer you're looking for but here it goes anyway. Hybrid 50degree+ rubbers are usually too demanding for someone who does not play in top divisions of local leagues in UK - especially considering you describe your setups with these rubbers as too slow. You really should be using easier to play medium-hard rubbers on both sides of your existing ALC blade - like T05 or even T05FX. Just re-read your own words of how T05 felt on the ZJK ALC.
 
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This is not the answer you're looking for but here it goes anyway. Hybrid 50degree+ rubbers are usually too demanding for someone who does not play in top divisions of local leagues in UK - especially considering you you describe your setups with these rubbers as too slow. You really should be using easier to play medium-hard rubbers on both sides of your existing ALC blade - like T05 or even T05FX. Just re-read your own words of how T05 felt on the ZJK ALC.
I second that. Hard hybrid rubbers are only for the pros because of how demanding they are, very little dwell and in need of extreme precision and consistent power to have any sort of consistency. There're just not for us.

The skyline is designed for penhold so there's that, so it wouldn't hurt to choose it over a tenergy for the fh. Especially since you said that the t05 played very nice on the bh.

Another thing is that I don't think changing everything at once is a good idea and since you like your slow setup, just put tenergy 05 that you liked on it and maybe the skyline 2 on fh.
 
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@vvk1 @Lowday20298 Thank you for your advices, but I have strong personal bias against Butterfly and I am not going to buy a Dignics, Tenergy, Glayzer, or Rozena.
I am happy to use softer rubbers. I think the Sieger PK50 is 50d, and is manageable for me; I am planning to stick with tacky/hybrid on the forehand because I am used to serving with those rubbers. If need be I can try Donic Bluegrip S1 which is 47.5d. I have tried G1 and Baracuda on my backhand and they are good enough IMO.

I could try moving those rubbers to my Star Diamond Forest (which is inner ALC with a kiri core, speed-wise it's nowhere near the ZJK ALC); that would make it a bit faster, but still wouldn't be faster than the all Nittaku setup, which is just fast enough for according to my coach.

I am more inclined to get a faster blade rather than faster rubbers. I am already using G1 and PK50, which are definitely not slow rubbers. I think I would have more room to adjust my setup with a faster blade (and potentially slower rubbers, if it turns out to be too fast) rather than trying to put even faster rubbers on my current blades (how much can a rubber be faster than G1?)
 
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Don't buy the regular edition of dynasty , if possible just go for the xu xin edition. You can check review on YouTube, similar price, xuxin one a lot better. The bigger Sweet spot already worth the extra. Never try shangkun one, so can't say anything. But the xuxin one I tried about 1 hour , the ball feel, the flick, the third attack. If you paired right rubbers , won't disappointed .
 
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@vvk1 @Lowday20298 Thank you for your advices, but I have strong personal bias against Butterfly and I am not going to buy a Dignics, Tenergy, Glayzer, or Rozena.
I am happy to use softer rubbers. I think the Sieger PK50 is 50d, and is manageable for me; I am planning to stick with tacky/hybrid on the forehand because I am used to serving with those rubbers. If need be I can try Donic Bluegrip S1 which is 47.5d. I have tried G1 and Baracuda on my backhand and they are good enough IMO.

I could try moving those rubbers to my Star Diamond Forest (which is inner ALC with a kiri core, speed-wise it's nowhere near the ZJK ALC); that would make it a bit faster, but still wouldn't be faster than the all Nittaku setup, which is just fast enough for according to my coach.

I am more inclined to get a faster blade rather than faster rubbers. I am already using G1 and PK50, which are definitely not slow rubbers. I think I would have more room to adjust my setup with a faster blade (and potentially slower rubbers, if it turns out to be too fast) rather than trying to put even faster rubbers on my current blades (how much can a rubber be faster than G1?)
My view is that if you like a rubber or blade, stick to it. There's nothing like tenergy and I agree dignics is overpriced and will never buy it either, f butterfly but hear me out.

G1, s1, baracuda, m2 or whatever else tenergy's competitors are, are completely different to the quality and properties of tenergy and tenergy lasts far longer than these rubbers. While a normal esn or daiki degrades in about 4 to 6 months, a tenergy lasts for up to 1 and a half year.

No point to have biases, just get what is proven to work or you will be unsatisfied and waist 10 times the money on buying shit you regret, I've waisted hundreds on possible replacements because I didn't wanna pay the premium for bty and have spent multiples of what I would've paid if I had just bought the damn thing and wasn't an idiot.

Tenergy has a stable trajectory that no matter how you hit the ball, you will always get the same result, esn and daiki haven't gotten nowhere near that. Just buy an 05, there's no replacement, you'll just waste money. Same with hurricane and skyline, just get what will work even if it costs more, it'll be reliable.

And again, changing blade is a bad idea, Xu Xin stuck with his Intensity for a decade and only changed when he changed his playstyle. Same with ma long but he has been using his blade for longer.
 
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Don't buy the regular edition of dynasty , if possible just go for the xu xin edition. You can check review on YouTube, similar price, xuxin one a lot better. The bigger Sweet spot already worth the extra. Never try shangkun one, so can't say anything. But the xuxin one I tried about 1 hour , the ball feel, the flick, the third attack. If you paired right rubbers , won't disappointed .
The problem is the Xu Xin Edition is hardly available in Chinese penhold anymore. Seems like Stiga stops making it.
 
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My view is that if you like a rubber or blade, stick to it. There's nothing like tenergy and I agree dignics is overpriced and will never buy it either, f butterfly but hear me out.

G1, s1, baracuda, m2 or whatever else tenergy's competitors are, are completely different to the quality and properties of tenergy and tenergy lasts far longer than these rubbers. While a normal esn or daiki degrades in about 4 to 6 months, a tenergy lasts for up to 1 and a half year.

No point to have biases, just get what is proven to work or you will be unsatisfied and waist 10 times the money on buying shit you regret, I've waisted hundreds on possible replacements because I didn't wanna pay the premium for bty and have spent multiples of what I would've paid if I had just bought the damn thing and wasn't an idiot.

Tenergy has a stable trajectory that no matter how you hit the ball, you will always get the same result, esn and daiki haven't gotten nowhere near that. Just buy an 05, there's no replacement, you'll just waste money. Same with hurricane and skyline, just get what will work even if it costs more, it'll be reliable.

And again, changing blade is a bad idea, Xu Xin stuck with his Intensity for a decade and only changed when he changed his playstyle. Same with ma long but he has been using his blade for longer.
How do I determine when I should change the blade and when I should change the rubbers? I am quite happy with my current rubbers, so I want to stick with them and change the blade.

I know what I don't like with my current blades: Rutis Revo is too unforgiving (due to its small head size, I keep hitting the edges), hence I consider Dynasty Carbon (big head size + big sweetspot). Star Diamond Forest has a limited top speed, hence I consider Shang Kun AC (Ayous core instead of Kiri core, still inner-fibre).

Whilst hitting with Tenergy felt good, I only did some simple diagonal rallies. I have not tested them out in short games or in match scenario (under pressure); I've heard that it is quite sensitive to spin. Since I am already happy with my current rubbers, I feel less motivated to go for a more premium rubber.
 
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How do I determine when I should change the blade and when I should change the rubbers? I am quite happy with my current rubbers, so I want to stick with them and change the blade.

I know what I don't like with my current blades: Rutis Revo is too unforgiving (due to its small head size, I keep hitting the edges), hence I consider Dynasty Carbon (big head size + big sweetspot). Star Diamond Forest has a limited top speed, hence I consider Shang Kun AC (Ayous core instead of Kiri core, still inner-fibre).

Whilst hitting with Tenergy felt good, I only did some simple diagonal rallies. I have not tested them out in short games or in match scenario (under pressure); I've heard that it is quite sensitive to spin. Since I am already happy with my current rubbers, I feel less motivated to go for a more premium rubber.
I agree, if you like your rubbers keep them, I'm just saying that having a bias in this industry is like a handicap, there's good and bad, butterfly and dhs are the best of the best.

Regarding blade, xu xin's old blade was the intensity, fast and controlable while having the best feeling I've ever seen. The ma lin extra offensive is identical and the ma lin carbon is slightly slower and inner carbon.

You could also consider a yinhe blade since they are soke of the best that come out of China. The dynasty xx is out production and and will run you about 450€ from aliexpress. If you're willing to give the money then it'll be good, but won't really be anything special.

One of the best blade makers on the market is SDC Blades. He specialises in custom blades can can build you whatever you want on a proper good price, talk to him and tell him what you want, he'll make it for you!
 
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Dear all, I need your help to decide which blade should I get next.

My level & style: Penholder with Full RPB, plays in local leagues in UK - not the first division. Forehand is decent for someone without regular coaching, backhand is a weakness that I sometimes get away with if my opponent doesn't realise I am left-handed. Physically not fast or powerful, but willing to run around with above average tenacity. Big swings in general, prefers to hit the ball late rather than early, topspin rather than flat hit (unless I panicked). Try to become a mid-table two-wing looper in the long run.

My current setups:
- Nittaku Rutis Revo - Sieger PK50 - Fastarc G1: feels hard but acceptable, sufficient speed, feels good with the backhand. My biggest problem with this blade is that its head size is quite small (157*150 mm), and it is not forgiving, I miss my FH topspin more often than I wanted, especially when I am out of position. It feels slightly better if I shorten my swings. Its arc also seems relatively short, I struggle to push my opponent back when I am forced to mid-table. I think this is more suitable for a fast-paced close-to-the-table style, but I don't have the reaction for such a style.
- Sword Star Diamond Forest - Razka Z extra hard - AK47 Red: feels softer than Rutis Revo (which I like), but slow. Even with ESN hybrids, my forehand isn't blowing anyone away if I hit it right at them. It is forgiving and I can prolong the rallies, but it is just a slower death.

Last time I had a coaching session I asked my coach to try my setups. He said the Star Diamond Forest is way too slow, the Rutis Revo is just fast enough that I can work on generating my own power. He said I could try faster setups, just not the super-fast one that would affect my strokes and timings. Last week I borrowed two blades from my friend for testing, and my feelings about them:
- Dynasty Carbon Xu Xin Edition - Skyline 2 - Hurricane 3 37: It is slower than the Rutis Revo (obviously the rubbers are very different). Forehand topspin feels great with lots of spin, but I have to swing big to activate the bat. Once I managed that the arc is great. I can force my opponent to keep blocking. Sweetspot is super big, I can really let myself go and just swing as hard as I can on my forehand. On the other hand, backhand is quite demanding. Feels weird if I play passively. Drastic change in feel and behaviour once I start swinging with moderate power. In a game, I can't swing well enough to attack with my backhand with this setup, I kept blocking all the time. Short game is very good - my serves were too short a few times. The whole setup is slightly heavy, but I think most problems could be solved by changing the rubbers (any boosters in those rubbers would have been gone already).
- Zhang Jike ALC - Hybrid K2 - Tenergy 05: The K2 was pretty worn out so I tested this bat with the T05 side on both wings. Backhand plays like a dream, feels pretty automatic. Forehand feels surprisingly soft and controlled compare to my Rutis Revo. However, I am devoted to not buy anything Butterfly.

I am currently considering between the following two blades, will be bought from Japan:
- Dynasty Carbon (Normal edition): based on internet search, the normal edition is slightly harder than the XX edition, which I hope to make it better on the backhand side and I won't need such a big swing on the forehand. It would be around 20000 Yen (~140 USD). My main worry is issue with splintering and QC - it was said to have a rough finish. Also it may not be very easy to use for the backhand, although technique is the biggest problem there.
- Shang Kun AC: Felix Lebrun reportedly used this before having his own blade. Personally I can't convince myself to buy Felix's blade because of the handle design (nothing against the French, but I am not French). I have seen reviews saying this blade is one of the faster inner-fibre blade, so I expect it would be a bit similar to the ZJK ALC and be more balanced between forehand and backhand than the Dynasty Carbon. It would be around 12000 Yen (~85 USD). However, I have never tested this blade myself, so there is more uncertainty about how it may perform. Some online reviews say it is faster but less spinny than other inner-fibre blade like Hurricane Long 5, others say it is very spinny and controlled but lack the top gears.
Whilst I can afford to buy both, I am not very keen on that because I will sand my blade, and as a left-handed penholder I would have zero chance to resell it. Even if I buy both, I still need to decide which one to test first. I know my technique is far from good, I will keep practising, but I won't be getting 1-on-1 coaching every other week, so I would like to get something that is easy to use, not as demanding as the Rutis Revo, and will allow me to grow into the player I want to be. I am most likely to use ESN hybrid on the forehand and ESN non-tacky rubber on the backhand, if this is relevant. Please help me out!
I can give you my insight about the Shang Kun AC, the rest is up to you.

I tested and like to try new blades and rubbers, and never got a feeling like this one (never tried another good innerforce previously so could be because of it), played with some famous butterfly blades like Viscaria, Timo Boll Alc, Zang Jike Alc, Timo Zlc, Primorac Carbon, Donic Waldner 89 (inner zlc), Tibhar Samsonov Force pro Black Edition (Clipper type, 7ply all wood) so this is mostly my background.

The Shang Kun AC I read a lot online and watched videos but never tried it so buying it was still a bit of a shot in the dark.
After almost a year playing with it and sometimes re-testing some of the old blades just to get a better feeling, in my opinion and for my liking of course, I cannot find a better blade than Shang Kun AC so far, specially in competitive matches and tournaments, the feeling and control in all the moments really helped me to develop a lot on the last 8 months or so and win matches against 3/4 guys I had never beaten before in my career.

I play since I was 13years old and I’m now 37, but what’s changed the most is that with SK AC it is much easier to either receive short, or push and pressure the opponent, the feeling when blocking is so crisp and soft at the same time (can’t describe it better, but it’s very very good). Now i feel that I put more 20%-30% of balls in the table in moments I used to miss with the other blade's. I was always a good player in my league in open game, specially in forehand if the opportunity to be aggressive was given, nowadays I’m still am capable of this, but all the other areas of my game improved so much that I can only regret that I’ve lost so many years to learn/try something like this.

In resume I would say, SK AC is a top innerforce blade for sure and a great bet, but anyways if not this one you should try another innerforce type of blade with Limba outside (gives massive feel) like Butterfly innerforce, Ovtcharov innerforce ALC, DHS Long 5, Andro Treiber CI, and many other, just google it around. Or try in the club/friends/tournament I’ve given the chance.
 
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If you're buying from Japan already you can get the Mantra Pros from TT-Japan really cheap. The Medium is just like a FTL boosted G-1, and the XH is making most tacky rubbers pretty obsolete without being tacky. I'm sure it pairs with all your mentioned blades well but I would most likely pair them with a H301 or if you want more speed the H301T but the rubbers are pretty fast already.
 
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Dear all, I need your help to decide which blade should I get next.

My level & style: Penholder with Full RPB, plays in local leagues in UK - not the first division. Forehand is decent for someone without regular coaching, backhand is a weakness that I sometimes get away with if my opponent doesn't realise I am left-handed. Physically not fast or powerful, but willing to run around with above average tenacity. Big swings in general, prefers to hit the ball late rather than early, topspin rather than flat hit (unless I panicked). Try to become a mid-table two-wing looper in the long run.

My current setups:
- Nittaku Rutis Revo - Sieger PK50 - Fastarc G1: feels hard but acceptable, sufficient speed, feels good with the backhand. My biggest problem with this blade is that its head size is quite small (157*150 mm), and it is not forgiving, I miss my FH topspin more often than I wanted, especially when I am out of position. It feels slightly better if I shorten my swings. Its arc also seems relatively short, I struggle to push my opponent back when I am forced to mid-table. I think this is more suitable for a fast-paced close-to-the-table style, but I don't have the reaction for such a style.
- Sword Star Diamond Forest - Razka Z extra hard - AK47 Red: feels softer than Rutis Revo (which I like), but slow. Even with ESN hybrids, my forehand isn't blowing anyone away if I hit it right at them. It is forgiving and I can prolong the rallies, but it is just a slower death.

Last time I had a coaching session I asked my coach to try my setups. He said the Star Diamond Forest is way too slow, the Rutis Revo is just fast enough that I can work on generating my own power. He said I could try faster setups, just not the super-fast one that would affect my strokes and timings. Last week I borrowed two blades from my friend for testing, and my feelings about them:
- Dynasty Carbon Xu Xin Edition - Skyline 2 - Hurricane 3 37: It is slower than the Rutis Revo (obviously the rubbers are very different). Forehand topspin feels great with lots of spin, but I have to swing big to activate the bat. Once I managed that the arc is great. I can force my opponent to keep blocking. Sweetspot is super big, I can really let myself go and just swing as hard as I can on my forehand. On the other hand, backhand is quite demanding. Feels weird if I play passively. Drastic change in feel and behaviour once I start swinging with moderate power. In a game, I can't swing well enough to attack with my backhand with this setup, I kept blocking all the time. Short game is very good - my serves were too short a few times. The whole setup is slightly heavy, but I think most problems could be solved by changing the rubbers (any boosters in those rubbers would have been gone already).
- Zhang Jike ALC - Hybrid K2 - Tenergy 05: The K2 was pretty worn out so I tested this bat with the T05 side on both wings. Backhand plays like a dream, feels pretty automatic. Forehand feels surprisingly soft and controlled compare to my Rutis Revo. However, I am devoted to not buy anything Butterfly.

I am currently considering between the following two blades, will be bought from Japan:
- Dynasty Carbon (Normal edition): based on internet search, the normal edition is slightly harder than the XX edition, which I hope to make it better on the backhand side and I won't need such a big swing on the forehand. It would be around 20000 Yen (~140 USD). My main worry is issue with splintering and QC - it was said to have a rough finish. Also it may not be very easy to use for the backhand, although technique is the biggest problem there.
- Shang Kun AC: Felix Lebrun reportedly used this before having his own blade. Personally I can't convince myself to buy Felix's blade because of the handle design (nothing against the French, but I am not French). I have seen reviews saying this blade is one of the faster inner-fibre blade, so I expect it would be a bit similar to the ZJK ALC and be more balanced between forehand and backhand than the Dynasty Carbon. It would be around 12000 Yen (~85 USD). However, I have never tested this blade myself, so there is more uncertainty about how it may perform. Some online reviews say it is faster but less spinny than other inner-fibre blade like Hurricane Long 5, others say it is very spinny and controlled but lack the top gears.
Whilst I can afford to buy both, I am not very keen on that because I will sand my blade, and as a left-handed penholder I would have zero chance to resell it. Even if I buy both, I still need to decide which one to test first. I know my technique is far from good, I will keep practising, but I won't be getting 1-on-1 coaching every other week, so I would like to get something that is easy to use, not as demanding as the Rutis Revo, and will allow me to grow into the player I want to be. I am most likely to use ESN hybrid on the forehand and ESN non-tacky rubber on the backhand, if this is relevant. Please help me out!
I think you can wait for tibhar Felix hyper carbon to be released. It is an inner carbon blade like shang Kun AC.
And I think while dynasty carbon xx edition received great reviews, the jacked up cost and relative lower market stock makes it hard for you to find a replacements for it
Stick to your current rubbers. Once you start playing the rubbers on your new blade, the feedback you get will be an indication on whether a change in rubber will be required
 
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Stiga carbonado 90 Cpen, Everything about it is amazing with penhold. I recently bought a Master handle as i play shakehand now. I mostly play cpen for fun now, as i am trying to get to the higher divisions.

The throw angle and the arc of c90 are perfect for my style of penhold. It has a medium hardness touch with a woody feel, amazing dwell time. It isn't slow at all, but coming from Viscaria model blades you do feel a difference.

Whenever i play for fun without training i can still play a decent level cpen. Rpb is very safe close to the table, the throw angle helps a lot.

TTR netherlands is 1550 shakehand, a ballpark would be 1400 penhold if that helps
 
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