Anders Lind “get a professional racket ASAP”

[ThePongCommenter]

I think some TTD folks are getting worked up over nothing.

Gatekeeping other people's equipment choices is very very important!!!

 

[joshmak10]

Thats easy for you to say. Not everybody wants to deal with (or knows how to) deal with the assembly process. That part can easily go wrong if you haven't done it before. I bet you can get cheap premades from ali as well...

Cheers
L-zr

As Sims mentioned, it’s not that hard to just ask for racket building service…

 

[mamedium]

the selling point of the video is: if you use the professional equipment (cough cough) like the Anders Lind blade, you’ll get more… points

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Gatekeeping other people's equipment choices is very very important!!!

Gozo: Serving the EJ community since 2021.

Use Butterfly blade with Tenergy ONLY!

 

[thisisit]

Well the correlation between price and performance only exists IF you have the ability to access the extra performance.
I think that point that holds true for equipment and is what many people miss in believing expensive equipment will simply (automatically) make them better players.

yes liang jingkun is such a dumbass, his new $50-$100 loki blade will surely cost him ranking points. he should lose 5X-10X points because w968 is $400-$500.

also what's up with all these pros using $300 bty blades when they could easily get 10x performance from a nittaku resoud because of the $3k pricetag.

 

[NetProphet]

yes liang jingkun is such a dumbass, his new $50-$100 loki blade will surely cost him ranking points. he should lose 5X-10X points because w968 is $400-$500.

also what's up with all these pros using $300 bty blades when they could easily get 10x performance from a nittaku resoud because of the $3k pricetag.

Ok I see your point, there is a point at where you hit diminishing returns V overpriced marketing nonsense.

But do you choose to be sarcastic only or do you acknowledge that among MOST equipment there is a quality and performance benefit from $$$s spent V cheap $10 blade and rubber combo?

Are you saying that pros using $80 Dignics would perform just as well with $30 Rozena?
Or that a well made ALC blade for $200 offers nothing over a well made $50 all wood blade? Etc, etc, etc.

It's a generalisation, and as a generalisation it happens to be true.
But as with generalising there are of course lots of cases where it doesn't hold.
This thread and others mentioned address just that and there are well priced gems to be found IF they suit your game.

But if you're seriously training with a coach and trying to compete with the best players in your league/ area then good luck with your $10 premade and please write back when you discover the $150 combo that led to direct quality improvement in your shots because not everyone in here is an idiot 😉

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

yes liang jingkun is such a dumbass, his new $50-$100 loki blade will surely cost him ranking points. he should lose 5X-10X points because w968 is $400-$500.

also what's up with all these pros using $300 bty blades when they could easily get 10x performance from a nittaku resoud because of the $3k pricetag.

I am a bit worried,
I have pros using a normal Viscaria.... especial one that is ranked no 2 in U19 in the world.
if he used higher price tag, he will grow in world ranking and beat Felix Lebrun for the no 1 spot.
we got it all wrong this past 20 years

 

[thisisit]

Ok I see your point, there is a point at where you hit diminishing returns V overpriced marketing nonsense.

But do you choose to be sarcastic only or do you acknowledge that among MOST equipment there is a quality and performance benefit from $$$s spent V cheap $10 blade and rubber combo?

Are you saying that pros using $80 Dignics would perform just as well with $30 Rozena?
Or that a well made ALC blade for $200 offers nothing over a well made $50 all wood blade? Etc, etc, etc.

It's a generalisation, and as a generalisation it happens to be true.
But as with generalising there are of course lots of cases where it doesn't hold.
This thread and others mentioned address just that and there are well priced gems to be found IF they suit your game.

But if you're seriously training with a coach and trying to compete with the best players in your league/ area then good luck with your $10 premade and please write back when you discover the $150 combo that led to direct quality improvement in your shots because not everyone in here is an idiot 😉

i never seen ittf approved rubbers on what people refer to as premades, but whatever, doesn't mean they don't exist.

guess what the fact that you can find examples of tournament legal equipment that when compared to eachother, the more expensive one is regarded as better - and the fact that i gave examples of the exact opposite, taken together mean?

hint: it doesn't start with "correlatio"

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

i never seen ittf approved rubbers on what people refer to as premades, but whatever, doesn't mean they don't exist.

guess what the fact that you can find examples of tournament legal equipment that when compared to eachother, the more expensive one is regarded as better - and the fact that i gave examples of the exact opposite, taken together mean?

hint: it doesn't start with "correlatio"

you do get good premade bats with rubbers like:
Mark V by Yasaka
Sriver by Butterfly

these are all good rubbers to start off, and they are ITTF approved for many years already, way longer than many people are born.

 

[NetProphet]

i never seen ittf approved rubbers on what people refer to as premades, but whatever, doesn't mean they don't exist.

guess what the fact that you can find examples of tournament legal equipment that when compared to eachother, the more expensive one is regarded as better - and the fact that i gave examples of the exact opposite, taken together mean?

hint: it doesn't start with "correlatio"

I haven't seen any specific examples you gave where expensive was worse but maybe I missed a few earlier posts.
And I've no doubt such examples can be found but it's also shaded by subjectivity in so far as what works better for different people.

I'm not trying to change your mind if it's already set on what's a good rubber V price but I absolutely believe that if you used Rakza 7 three yrs ago and switched to a D80 today you'd notice a difference. As would your opponents.
Same with Rakza Z V D09c.
Can I extract the maximum capability from these rubbers? NO!
And the Dignics price is horrendous I know but I'm banking on getting a year + from these rubbers in which case they'll work out at the same price.

End of the day you have a point for sure, there has to be examples for many of us where less expensive stuff does an equal or better job but there are also cases where more money gives better quality and longer lasting product with more speed and more spin in the results.
There's no one for all scenario here and I'm not telling anyone they have to spend huge money. If I could only use Rakza 7 and X forever after I'd still be happy!
Just do what you think is better...

 

[Felipe Pipe..]

The title should be: 'Build your own racket and stop buying pre-made junk.' Any custom racket is far superior to school or supermarket rackets.


My first racket was a Sanwei for $15 and 2 XUSHAOFA 999 rubbers. And my life has been different ever since."

 

[Lazer]

i never seen ittf approved rubbers on what people refer to as premades, but whatever, doesn't mean they don't exist.

guess what the fact that you can find examples of tournament legal equipment that when compared to eachother, the more expensive one is regarded as better - and the fact that i gave examples of the exact opposite, taken together mean?

hint: it doesn't start with "correlatio"

https://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/yasaka-racket-mark-v

Cheers
L-zr

 

[NetProphet]

https://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/yasaka-racket-mark-v

Cheers
L-zr

I have one of these.
I offer it to anyone who wants to play me for money, instead of their usual racket. I'm pretty sure my chances increase by ~50% 🤑🤑🤑

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I have one of these.
I offer it to anyone who wants to play me for money, instead of their usual racket. I'm pretty sure my chances increase by ~50% 🤑🤑🤑

but this is against the whole point of most of the debates.

the Mark V is good enough for many beginners to intermediate.
the moment you go past that stage then you would go the more expensive "pro" stuff.
there is no one arguing Mark V is better than the Pro stuff

the argument is that it is wrong to write off Mark V as high school rackets.

if you went to the backlash thread, the dude event talks about starting as a total beginner with Hurricane 3 + Dignics if I recall (i didn't go and watch that again, but I do believe it was something like that). To me that is super extreme and not many coaches cup of tea.
So most people are saying Mark V equivalent is good enough

but if you want to start challenging Mark V with your racket, then I will be happy to.
how much are we playing for??

or wait, I am too fat now, I will get one of my players to use Mark V (I am sure he haven't heard of this rubber before)... still on?

 

[NetProphet]

the argument is that it is wrong to write off Mark V as high school rackets.

Absolutely, and I do agree.

if you went to the backlash thread, the dude event talks about starting as a total beginner with Hurricane 3 + Dignics if I recall (i didn't go and watch that again, but I do believe it was something like that). To me that is super extreme and not many coaches cup of tea.
So most people are saying Mark V equivalent is good enough

Yeah that seems extreme but I think he said he doesn't coach total beginners. I didn't read that thread again but I understood it to mean he recommended for his students but I could be wrong...

but if you want to start challenging Mark V with your racket, then I will be happy to.
how much are we playing for??

Oops
$20 max V you. And I'll be putting booster on thee rubbers to dry them up good!! 😉

or wait, I am too fat now, I will get one of my players to use Mark V (I am sure he haven't heard of this rubber before)... still on?

Well the offer was primarily to TTD equipment junkies but it wouldn't be fair at this stage to deny you fun of seeing me trounced by a 14 yr old 😂

 

[vvk1]

This may be a stupid question but how is his "professional" racket $300?

Donic Anders Lind Hexa Carbon is 66 euros at dandoy
Donic Bluegrip C2 is 46 euros at dandoy

?

 

[thisisit]

This may be a stupid question but how is his "professional" racket $300?

Donic Anders Lind Hexa Carbon is 66 euros at dandoy
Donic Bluegrip C2 is 46 euros at dandoy

?

maybe donic isn't making money with it's current pricing and this is their idea of an excuse to justify a price increase.

trolling aside, the point he makes is valid. it's just the delivery device that is kind of corny.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

This may be a stupid question but how is his "professional" racket $300?

Donic Anders Lind Hexa Carbon is 66 euros at dandoy
Donic Bluegrip C2 is 46 euros at dandoy

?

Primary racket + spare for the hobbyist

 

[NetProphet]

I am a bit worried,
I have pros using a normal Viscaria.... especial one that is ranked no 2 in U19 in the world.
if he used higher price tag, he will grow in world ranking and beat Felix Lebrun for the no 1 spot.
we got it all wrong this past 20 years

No Tony, you completely misunderstood!
He will perform just as well with a $30 killerspin.
Save your money for the holes he will burn in the nets! 🔥

 

[Milton Table Tennis Club]

Yes. Your motorcycle analogy I understand as I also ride but it's slightly different in that I would only compare this TT debate to track riding where you can actually measure your progress in lines and seconds rather than just riding where (as I see it) the only aim is to reach the destination safely as you have fun.

On your other analogy I will only say lucky you to be good enough at golf to notice what equipment does. I like golf too but haven't played it in 20 years but never got good enough to where equipment would have made any difference 😂
I'll just stick with the TT!

Nice to hear you have a motorcycle Sims. Both of these hobbies I find do a great job of grabbing your full attention, allowing a break from the everyday stresses of life. Although I sold my Duke 390 last year which I compare to a 5 or 7 ply wood blade, I really enjoyed riding my favorite roads which were non stop twisty roads like Buckhorn Rd or Canadian Tail of the dragon hwy 129 Near Thessalon On. I've also rented a car and did laps on the public road in Germany, the Nurburgring Nordschleife. The Duke 390 on these roads is like riding a mountain bike with 44 HP since the weight is only 360 lbs. Practicing my trail braking and cornering was very enjoyable and effortless.

I don't have any video evidence of my riding but here's a guy with the same bike on twisty roads.

I now drive my car in the slow lane and listen to Jazz on my way to my TT club with lots of space in front as people whiz by me 😇, although I do miss packing my shoes and blade into the Nelson Rigg tail bag and riding twice a week to table tennis, that was always a hoot.