Attacking Long Pip Players like Ni Xia Lian and Zhou Xintong... but at the amateur level?!

[Lando]

I use the saviga V in green because it's the most durable. Being a penholder, my fingers rub the pips, which breaks them in about 4 sessions.
The green one hasn't broken in almost a year of use.

 

[Der_Echte]

Lazer is right about his club and region and nation, he knows he is there and Gozo is not... Gozo needs to understand what the northern Europe countries call a club is WAY different than what the area near Gozo calls a club. USA people do not know until they travel to Europe of hear from someone just there how it is.

Gozo's kind of club is a more social gathering that may or may not fund itself.

Lazer's kinda club gets to use government facilities... sometimes on a time schedule shared with other sports (A kinda lower level club in Wiesbaden Germany gets a few hours a couple nights a week in the big city gym in a 1/4 section on the end) and sometimes gets its own big room as part of a larger govt building for sport. (W. Amager BTK south of Copenhagen is one)

The euro lower and middle clubs get subsidized by govt a few ways and charge a relative small amount for members of the club (just the building, parking, and overhead like electric, water and sewer are very big money when added up) and often have a few coaches... who are not the blind leading blind. The big time clubs have a local or natl company or three funding them and other income ways to pay pro players.

Why did I go into all that? Gozo clearly did not have a hint of a clue (but he was brave to show it where others are scared silent)

Pips or no pips can be a function of local or regional culture too. Might be a function of local or natl availability of players or teachers.

USA has a lot, because there is a big culture among the ole geeeeezer crowd (yeah, I spelled it with 5 E's... ha, 7, made you all look)... and yeah, I called some old age threshold such a name... I can do that, I pretty much am a card carrying member of said group I just called that.

Korea has a lot (especially women, as there were so many players who did well, there was a lot of encouragement and teaching and it was a way for an unathletic or athletic auntie to trouble the men (aunties never change attitude, eh?)

In San Diego, there is a mid 70s? retired engineer who will attach FH or BH with LPs he do not care what spin you gave him... just you dare land it on his side he going for it. he famous, prolly worldwide and he is in the top ten posters (like me) at OOAK, a pips forum in Australia. (Yes, I talk a LOT there too and defend defenders inclinations to pip it out)

 

[Lazer]

Lazer is right about his club and region and nation, he knows he is there and Gozo is not... Gozo needs to understand what the northern Europe countries call a club is WAY different than what the area near Gozo calls a club. USA people do not know until they travel to Europe of hear from someone just there how it is.

Gozo's kind of club is a more social gathering that may or may not fund itself.

Lazer's kinda club gets to use government facilities... sometimes on a time schedule shared with other sports (A kinda lower level club in Wiesbaden Germany gets a few hours a couple nights a week in the big city gym in a 1/4 section on the end) and sometimes gets its own big room as part of a larger govt building for sport. (W. Amager BTK south of Copenhagen is one)

The euro lower and middle clubs get subsidized by govt a few ways and charge a relative small amount for members of the club (just the building, parking, and overhead like electric, water and sewer are very big money when added up) and often have a few coaches... who are not the blind leading blind. The big time clubs have a local or natl company or three funding them and other income ways to pay pro players.

Why did I go into all that? Gozo clearly did not have a hint of a clue (but he was brave to show it where others are scared silent)

Pips or no pips can be a function of local or regional culture too. Might be a function of local or natl availability of players or teachers.

USA has a lot, because there is a big culture among the ole geeeeezer crowd (yeah, I spelled it with 5 E's... ha, 7, made you all look)... and yeah, I called some old age threshold such a name... I can do that, I pretty much am a card carrying member of said group I just called that.

Korea has a lot (especially women, as there were so many players who did well, there was a lot of encouragement and teaching and it was a way for an unathletic or athletic auntie to trouble the men (aunties never change attitude, eh?)

In San Diego, there is a mid 70s? retired engineer who will attach FH or BH with LPs he do not care what spin you gave him... just you dare land it on his side he going for it. he famous, prolly worldwide and he is in the top ten posters (like me) at OOAK, a pips forum in Australia. (Yes, I talk a LOT there too and defend defenders inclinations to pip it out)

You are correct, but the members together with the sponsors pays for it. The members do a lot of unpaid work. We are not required but it is preferred if we can be called as umpires at local tournaments etc… My club is probably the biggest in the country, but we don’t have either Truls, Anton, Kristian nor Matthias, but we are right there behind them…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Lazer is right about his club and region and nation, he knows he is there and Gozo is not... Gozo needs to understand what the northern Europe countries call a club is WAY different than what the area near Gozo calls a club. USA people do not know until they travel to Europe of hear from someone just there how it is.

Gozo's kind of club is a more social gathering that may or may not fund itself.

Lazer's kinda club gets to use government facilities... sometimes on a time schedule shared with other sports (A kinda lower level club in Wiesbaden Germany gets a few hours a couple nights a week in the big city gym in a 1/4 section on the end) and sometimes gets its own big room as part of a larger govt building for sport. (W. Amager BTK south of Copenhagen is one)

The euro lower and middle clubs get subsidized by govt a few ways and charge a relative small amount for members of the club (just the building, parking, and overhead like electric, water and sewer are very big money when added up) and often have a few coaches... who are not the blind leading blind. The big time clubs have a local or natl company or three funding them and other income ways to pay pro players.

Why did I go into all that? Gozo clearly did not have a hint of a clue (but he was brave to show it where others are scared silent)

Pips or no pips can be a function of local or regional culture too. Might be a function of local or natl availability of players or teachers.

USA has a lot, because there is a big culture among the ole geeeeezer crowd (yeah, I spelled it with 5 E's... ha, 7, made you all look)... and yeah, I called some old age threshold such a name... I can do that, I pretty much am a card carrying member of said group I just called that.

Korea has a lot (especially women, as there were so many players who did well, there was a lot of encouragement and teaching and it was a way for an unathletic or athletic auntie to trouble the men (aunties never change attitude, eh?)

In San Diego, there is a mid 70s? retired engineer who will attach FH or BH with LPs he do not care what spin you gave him... just you dare land it on his side he going for it. he famous, prolly worldwide and he is in the top ten posters (like me) at OOAK, a pips forum in Australia. (Yes, I talk a LOT there too and defend defenders inclinations to pip it out)

Der, I believe what you describe as an Euro Club is to me what I call an academy. In an academy in my local is a TT center set up with purpose of:
1. Train school going children to play competitively.
2. Those who are good will represent their school in district level comp, and if the win, go on to represent the province and so on and so forth.
3. In an academy, there are virtually no pipster, and if there are, they are probably chopper to be sparring partner for the attackers.

 

[Der_Echte]

You are correct, but the members together with the sponsors pays for it. The members do a lot of unpaid work. We are not required but it is preferred if we can be called as umpires at local tournaments etc… My club is probably the biggest in the country, but we don’t have either Truls, Anton, Kristian nor Matthias, but we are right there behind them…

Cheers
L-zr

The reason why 95% of any "TT Club" in USA looks so unprofessional is that in many places, unless you can draw 100 kids/seniors taking weekly lessons at 50-200 USD per hour, you would never get 300 people to pay 100 USD a month just to break even on building lease/maintenance/overhead expenses... not even getting to payroll.

So many just find a community center gym that allows 2 free hours a week or some rate inexpensive enough to charge 5-10 usd per player each week or visit...

So at the end of the day, all you get is a row or two of old-azz tables in a gym not designed for TT with crappy light/glare/acoustics and way too many players trying to get table time...

... and you dare try to do any TRAINING, you would be instantly assaulted by a mob.

To make it worse, if you were an advanced level player and you approached a school VOLUNTEERING for FREE to run a nightly afterschool TT program, the school administration would run you out of town and call authorities suspecting you of some evil intent.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

KOJIMA Wataru from WRM

he's horrible to play, i wouldn't get past 2 or 3 points against this guy

some more videos of Kojima
against a much stronger player (Kataoka, reached QF of All-Japan mixed doubles)

and an even more stronger player Kenta !

I've watched him play LIVE IRL and its even more impressive than on YT

 

[NextLevel]

some more videos of Kojima
against a much stronger player (Kataoka, reached QF of All-Japan mixed doubles)

and an even more stronger player Kenta !

I've watched him play LIVE IRL and its even more impressive than on YT

I found these thrilling to watch. Is something wrong with me? @Gozo Aruna, please ensure...

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

I found these thrilling to watch. Is something wrong with me? @Gozo Aruna, please ensure...

what exactly I should be watching NL? I seldom watch foreign players, I mainly look out only for fellow hommies like Aruna.

BTW, merry x'mas my friend.

 

[blahness]

some more videos of Kojima
against a much stronger player (Kataoka, reached QF of All-Japan mixed doubles)

and an even more stronger player Kenta !

I've watched him play LIVE IRL and its even more impressive than on YT

Kojima plays a bit like Ba Yongbo who nearly took down Quadri Aruna recently (it went to 7 games). He really defends all the topspin attacks like a boss and then waits for the other player to give him a push to then punish it decisively with the LP attack. It would be really annoying to play against him lol. Tbh I think Kojima could do even better if he served wider variety of serves but he really likes to stick with his reverse pendulum to the FH short (to avoid the chiquita?!)

 

[LordPippington]

Some good players there! I notice most all of the lp penholders seem to lean toward the more defensive side of things. As in, I haven't seen any that are so whack-a-ball hungry as ni xia lian!

Others will chop block a bunch, whereas ni xia lian is active and aggressive on basically any shot she can reach. Some times it looks like she simply blocks, or does a slight chop block... but nothing like the performative strokes of zhou xintong.

Are there any long pip hitter other than ni xia lian?! The closest at amateur level I've seen is, perhaps dickie fleisher. Although he blocks a good deal with the pips, yet does not chop block at all.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

I found these thrilling to watch. Is something wrong with me? @Gozo Aruna, please ensure...

What I see is ugly blocking + stand on one spot + use funky wrist technique and rely 100% on pips put rubber. Ugly ugly ugly ugggggh!

 

[blahness]

Some good players there! I notice most all of the lp penholders seem to lean toward the more defensive side of things. As in, I haven't seen any that are so whack-a-ball hungry as ni xia lian!

Others will chop block a bunch, whereas ni xia lian is active and aggressive on basically any shot she can reach. Some times it looks like she simply blocks, or does a slight chop block... but nothing like the performative strokes of zhou xintong.

Are there any long pip hitter other than ni xia lian?! The closest at amateur level I've seen is, perhaps dickie fleisher. Although he blocks a good deal with the pips, yet does not chop block at all.

Most LP or anti players will chopblock against heavy topspin and not attempt the counter attack due to safety. It is easier to counter attack weaker balls, especially pushes. Pushes are the easiest to attack with LP/anti.

Kim Kum Yong is probably the strongest LP player currently although she doesnt play much international.

Yang Xiaoxin is also very good and aggressive with the pips

 

[LordPippington]

Most LP or anti players will chopblock against heavy topspin and not attempt the counter attack due to safety. It is easier to counter attack weaker balls, especially pushes. Pushes are the easiest to attack with LP/anti.

Kim Kum Yong is probably the strongest LP player currently although she doesnt play much international.

Yang Xiaoxin is also very good and aggressive with the pips

So, is granny just an extremely talented outlier? 😄 she's 62 and still top 100 in the women's world ranking... 😵‍💫 does anyone look to that and think, hmm, I'll give it a go! I know they wouldn't be top 10 regardless... but to a very high level still.

There's also that shakehand chinese girl, he zhouja or some spelling. Though she uses thick sponge on her lp, so it's more like sp or mp.

 

[blahness]

So, is granny just an extremely talented outlier? 😄 she's 62 and still top 100 in the women's world ranking... 😵‍💫 does anyone look to that and think, hmm, I'll give it a go! I know they wouldn't be top 10 regardless... but to a very high level still.

There's also that shakehand chinese girl, he zhouja or some spelling. Though she uses thick sponge on her lp, so it's more like sp or mp.

I have amateur penhold LP/inverted partners with wins over national team members lol. It is a ridiculously strong style imo if you treat the pips seriously and dont use it like a crutch like the lazy pushblockers, ie you have to be active with it, have excellent footwork, serves, FH loop, etc...

I'm experimenting with BH anti personally and it's been quite a fun journey so far - I'm playing at roughly similar levels to my inverted BH already even with not many sessions. With anti or pips there is a chance to upset even pro players, with double inverted there is no chance at all, because the pro players will simply win by overwhelming amounts of spin (serve/receive/loops) and you have no chance. With LP/anti if they give you too much spin it will be their undoing. So you can force them to not play the game they are used to.

 

[blahness]

Even better showcase of Kim Kum Yong creating absolute havoc for her opponents.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

how could we forget Kyoka Idesawa ? !

World University Games Champion 2023 !
won the final against Qian Tianyi

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Kenta v another young player Ando

some amateur called Tanabe