Best Chinese Alternatives to D09c Tier List

[Cadoia]

I'm thinking I should write a part 2 tier list for best alternatives to Dignics 05 for bh

would be great

 

[Cadoia]

Could you please go through the process of boosting the Loki GTX?
When to apply booster. how much? how many layers? How long time for 2nd application?
When to apply Baby oil. how much?
Then apply glue? 1 layer?
Proper order sequence?
I just ordered GTX and will try your approach when it arrives.
thank you.

 

[TensorBackhand]

would be great

Ok I posted it. Might add or make updates later.

 

[kindof99]

Best Chinese alternatives to D09c Tier List

What is a tier list?

This Tier List ranks readily available and low cost Chinese rubbers according to their performance in matching the standard set by Dignics 09c.

Rubbers are tiered based on the following factors:

Bite on the ball - Higher ranking rubbers will bite and grip the ball very well, giving the player both control and spin potential
Dwell time - Higher ranking rubbers will hold the ball for a long time on the racket before launching the ball off the racket with power and spin. The ball should be slow off the racket, and kick fast off the table
Catapult - The rubber should provide ample catapult to produce powerful shots
Tackiness - High tackiness provides more spin potential and control
Hardness - Hard rubber is desirable to prevent bottoming out on hard shots
Booster reaction - Top rubbers should react strongly to booster and improve their performance. Alternatively top rubbers should provide high performance without the need for booster
Arc and throw angle - Top rubbers should provide a healthy arc to clear over the net and land onto the table comfortably


S tier - Highest performance of Chinese rubbers matching or exceeding the standard of D09c available at acceptable cost

Loki GTX - Strong reaction to booster, great tackiness, hard, great catapult. Requires the use of baby oil to produce the dwell time and hold on the ball. This rubber is very similar to the look and performance of D09c with the proper tuning, producing powerful loops. Also to be noted: I only ever tested one sheet of GTX and got it to perform this way with a specific method of tuning. I cannot guarantee that every sheet will have the same result from the tuning method.


A tier - Performance is considered to be very high, and are desirable as alternatives to D09c and may only have slight flaws

Loki Arthur China - Very hard rubber that gives excellent spin, excellent arc, and very good looping speed. Feels like you can hold the ball for a long time while imparting unlimited spin. The looping speed is nearly on the level of D09c, and may possibly be improved with booster. Feels quite a bit harder than D09c, and therefore it feels less forgiving. Additionally, it may suffer from bubbling issues.

Yinhe Jupiter 3 - Factory boosted, tacky, catapulty and fast. This rubber doesn’t need to be boosted, but reacts fine to booster. Comes in many choices of hardness, but I like 39-41 on the FH. It is spinny, but feels somewhat speed-oriented along the lines of D09c.

Friendship Bloom Power - Tacky, hard, with some good catapult. Rubber doesn’t need to be boosted, but seems even better with some booster. Much healthier throw angle than its “brother” Battle 2. Provides strong spin, speed, and heavy kick off the table. Recommend the 47d version which feels like 54d on ESN scale. More spin-oriented feeling than D09c.

B tier - Performance is considered to be high and mostly meet the desired criteria. May have more notable flaws that prevent a higher ranking

Yinhe Big Dipper - Similar to Jupiter 3, factory boosted, catapulty and fast. Not as tacky as Jupiter 3 though, reflected in the lower rank. Also reacts quite well to booster and becomes even more powerful. Would recommend 39d or 40d for FH, and 38d for BH. As it is less tacky, this rubber suits the BH better than the other rubbers on this list, and is a great alternative as a bh D09c.

Loki Rxton 3 Pink/Blue - Similar to Arthur China with a hard and bouncy medium-pore sponge and tacky topsheet. However the arc is less pronounced and therefore is a less controlled and less confident rubber than Arthur China. Still, it is fast, hard, spinny, and performs very well.

Double Fish Volant-Phoenix - Less similar to D09c and more similar to H3. Tacky topsheet with hard and dense Chinese sponge. But it does feel somewhat boosted and bouncy and performs very well. All shots feel very consistent and reliable. It's very good unboosted, but rubber does seem to want a little more booster anyway.

Loki Arthur Asia - The price of this rubber has come down quite a lot, which gave me a reason to take a fresh look at this rubber. With booster, it is fast. It has good tackiness and spin. I feel I can hit very powerful loops with this rubber. It does seem to have slightly less arc than Arthur China.

C tier - Performance is considered moderately high. These rubbers may need more technique from the user to bring out their potential or have notable flaws in meeting the criteria.

DHS Hurricane 3 - An excellent rubber for its own style of play, but ranks lower on this list because it is less similar to D09c and the stated criteria. Without booster, this rubber is tacky and somewhat slow, but gives a healthy and comfortable throw angle and arc. With enough booster, it significantly increases in speed and catapult, but still requires more input strength from the user to reach its full potential.

Friendship Battle Max - Kinda sits in between H3 and Battle 2. The speed is a bit faster than H3 and the throw angle is a bit higher than Battle 2. A bit more speed oriented and less spin oriented than H3. A pretty good hard, tacky, Chinese rubber option.

Haifu Whale - Similar in function to H3, but more similar to H8 as it is slightly more speed oriented. Has medium reaction to booster, but not a tremendous reaction. Very good loop control, good speed and spin. All around, very solid performance, but less memorable than higher ranking rubbers.

Loki Rxton 5 - A good rubber that is more similar to H3 than it is to D09c. Hard, tacky, but not as much catapult as desired. Also quality control seems to be a major problem as hardness varies dramatically by batch. This rubber could be dropped lower because of QC issues, but I have it ranked on my memory of its best version.

D tier - Performance is considered to be average. The rubber only meets some of the criteria and has some major flaws

Friendship Battle 2 - Rubber’s most notable flaw is it has a low throw angle and thus is less comfortable to use. Also does not have a strong reaction to booster. But it is hard and tacky and dwelly.

Sanwei Target Pro Blue - Also has a low throw angle and is somewhat uncomfortable to use. Has a medium reaction to booster. Hard and tacky, but not a great dwell time.

Sanwei Target Pro 3 - Almost the same quality and issues as Pro Blue. Slightly slower and and more dwelly than Pro Blue.

E tier - Performance is considered to be low. Rubbers have flaws that define its performance more than its strengths

Sanwei Target National - Extremely low throw angle, too soft sponge, overly tacky, no reaction to booster. This rubber is very hard to use and not recommendable. It is quite fast though.

What booster did you use?

 

[TensorBackhand]

What booster did you use?

Seamoon

 

[TensorBackhand]

Could you please go through the process of boosting the Loki GTX?
When to apply booster. how much? how many layers? How long time for 2nd application?
When to apply Baby oil. how much?
Then apply glue? 1 layer?
Proper order sequence?
I just ordered GTX and will try your approach when it arrives.
thank you.

This is my recommendation:

1) glue/Cut and play with the rubber unboosted. For me personally, the rubber had decent speed, but felt hard and weird
2) Add 1 layer of Chinese booster, like seamoon and wait 6-8 hours directly onto the sponge with glue on it. My guess is it would curl about 45 degrees. If you want more effect, go ahead and add another layer of booster.
3) you may have to wait 2 days for the rubber to uncurl, and then you can test it out. You don't need more glue on the rubber, but just glue the blade and put the rubber onto the blade. I found that the booster greatly added to speed and catapult, but it was still hard to control with a lack of arc and dwell time.
4) Take the rubber off and add 1 layer of baby oil. The baby oil will cause the rubber to curl again, so you may need to wait another day or two to uncurl a bit. I found that the baby oil greatly increased the dwell time and ability to hold the ball. This greatly increased the spin, arc, control, and loop quality.

 

[TensorBackhand]

I tested out the Nittaku H3 Pro Blue today on a friend's racket. It is the hardest rubber that I have ever played with. Even harder than Triple Double Extra. Its also pretty slow, not a lot of rebound.

 

[ben1229]

I tested out the Nittaku H3 Pro Blue today on a friend's racket. It is the hardest rubber that I have ever played with. Even harder than Triple Double Extra. Its also pretty slow, not a lot of rebound.

But the spin is crazy right , good rubber is not that heavy.

 

[TensorBackhand]

But the spin is crazy right , good rubber is not that heavy.

I'm not sure. It is very tacky. But you have to hit incredibly hard to engage the sponge.

I think Double Fish Volant is better.

 

[latej]

But the spin is crazy right , good rubber is not that heavy.

Hi, yes, spin is great, but it is the heaviest I tried. What rubber is heavier?

 

[TensorBackhand]

Could you please go through the process of boosting the Loki GTX?
When to apply booster. how much? how many layers? How long time for 2nd application?
When to apply Baby oil. how much?
Then apply glue? 1 layer?
Proper order sequence?
I just ordered GTX and will try your approach when it arrives.
thank you.

Also another point, I put the GTX away for 2 years and glued it on again. I found that the catapult was still very good so I was expecting great things.

But when I went to loop with it, it was back to the old problem of having no dwell time and too much speed. The baby oil effect was totally gone.

So i put a layer of baby oil on it, and it was back to the way i loved it when it was S tier.

So it seems the booster effect stayed, but the baby oil effect went away after a long time.

 

[Doralikesmath]

Today I tried the Yinhe Jupiter 3 with the hardness of 39 degree on the BH of my Viscaria. The spin is excellent, very easy to actively block and flick, as well as (counter) looping away from the table. The only down side, it is freaking hard to generate power and speed on the BH side. May be 39 degree is a tad to hard for BH, but I guess I will just stick to D09C on that side. I also briefly tried the J3 of 41 degree on my FH and it is very good for the money, good speed with a lot of spin, probably some where in between of D09C and H3.

 

[kindof99]

Also another point, I put the GTX away for 2 years and glued it on again. I found that the catapult was still very good so I was expecting great things.

But when I went to loop with it, it was back to the old problem of having no dwell time and too much speed. The baby oil effect was totally gone.

So i put a layer of baby oil on it, and it was back to the way i loved it when it was S tier.

So it seems the booster effect stayed, but the baby oil effect went away after a long time.

I think baby oil basically soft the sponge a little bit. Have you tried applying baby oil on the top rubbers? I haven't tried, but I think it might work well as the skin is where baby oil is supposed to apply to.

 

[BlueInGreen]

Today I tried the Yinhe Jupiter 3 with the hardness of 39 degree on the BH of my Viscaria. The spin is excellent, very easy to actively block and flick, as well as (counter) looping away from the table. The only down side, it is freaking hard to generate power and speed on the BH side. May be 39 degree is a tad to hard for BH, but I guess I will just stick to D09C on that side. I also briefly tried the J3 of 41 degree on my FH and it is very good for the money, good speed with a lot of spin, probably some where in between of D09C and H3.

My own experience with J3 Euro (albeit the 40° version with a layer of baby oil) very much matches yours. I initially tried using it on my Donic Ovtcharov No.1 Senso (essentially the same as HL5 afaik), and lifting backspin on the BH side was an absolute nightmare with it. I rarely hit the net on my BH loops, but with J3 it seemed nigh impossible to clear the net due to its low throw angle. On the FH side, however, it felt quite nice as a livelier and more direct H3 alternative. Now I'm using it on the BH side of my spare Yinhe Pro 01 (Viscaria clone), and its performance is far more tolerable on a Koto outer-ALC blade. But still, it takes a whole lot of energy and a long stroke to generate decent power on the BH side.

I would say, however, that spin-wise (in the serve/receive game as well as looping) I find even my commercial H2 significantly superior to J3. I suspect that H2 at very high end is more powerful as well, whereas the top-end speed of J3 seems somewhat lacking. J3 is certainly more suitable for flat hitting and is easier to generate speed with at the lower end though.

 

[paulispaul]

Stop asking about rubbers for the backhand. They don't exist. The only thing that exists is incompetence to perform a correct backhand movement.

 

[Cadoia]

Best Chinese alternatives to D09c Tier List

What is a tier list?

This Tier List ranks readily available and low cost Chinese rubbers according to their performance in matching the standard set by Dignics 09c.

Rubbers are tiered based on the following factors:

Bite on the ball - Higher ranking rubbers will bite and grip the ball very well, giving the player both control and spin potential
Dwell time - Higher ranking rubbers will hold the ball for a long time on the racket before launching the ball off the racket with power and spin. The ball should be slow off the racket, and kick fast off the table
Catapult - The rubber should provide ample catapult to produce powerful shots
Tackiness - High tackiness provides more spin potential and control
Hardness - Hard rubber is desirable to prevent bottoming out on hard shots
Booster reaction - Top rubbers should react strongly to booster and improve their performance. Alternatively top rubbers should provide high performance without the need for booster
Arc and throw angle - Top rubbers should provide a healthy arc to clear over the net and land onto the table comfortably


S tier - Highest performance of Chinese rubbers matching or exceeding the standard of D09c available at acceptable cost

Loki GTX - Strong reaction to booster, great tackiness, hard, great catapult. Requires the use of baby oil to produce the dwell time and hold on the ball. This rubber is very similar to the look and performance of D09c with the proper tuning, producing powerful loops. Also to be noted: I only ever tested one sheet of GTX and got it to perform this way with a specific method of tuning. I cannot guarantee that every sheet will have the same result from the tuning method.


A tier - Performance is considered to be very high, and are desirable as alternatives to D09c and may only have slight flaws

Loki Arthur China - Very hard rubber that gives excellent spin, excellent arc, and very good looping speed. Feels like you can hold the ball for a long time while imparting unlimited spin. The looping speed is nearly on the level of D09c, and may possibly be improved with booster. Feels quite a bit harder than D09c, and therefore it feels less forgiving. Additionally, it may suffer from bubbling issues.

Yinhe Jupiter 3 - Factory boosted, tacky, catapulty and fast. This rubber doesn’t need to be boosted, but reacts fine to booster. Comes in many choices of hardness, but I like 39-41 on the FH. It is spinny, but feels somewhat speed-oriented along the lines of D09c.

Friendship Bloom Power - Tacky, hard, with some good catapult. Rubber doesn’t need to be boosted, but seems even better with some booster. Much healthier throw angle than its “brother” Battle 2. Provides strong spin, speed, and heavy kick off the table. Recommend the 47d version which feels like 54d on ESN scale. More spin-oriented feeling than D09c.

B tier - Performance is considered to be high and mostly meet the desired criteria. May have more notable flaws that prevent a higher ranking

Yinhe Big Dipper - Similar to Jupiter 3, factory boosted, catapulty and fast. Not as tacky as Jupiter 3 though, reflected in the lower rank. Also reacts quite well to booster and becomes even more powerful. Would recommend 39d or 40d for FH, and 38d for BH. As it is less tacky, this rubber suits the BH better than the other rubbers on this list, and is a great alternative as a bh D09c.

Loki Rxton 3 Pink/Blue - Similar to Arthur China with a hard and bouncy medium-pore sponge and tacky topsheet. However the arc is less pronounced and therefore is a less controlled and less confident rubber than Arthur China. Still, it is fast, hard, spinny, and performs very well.

Double Fish Volant-Phoenix - Less similar to D09c and more similar to H3. Tacky topsheet with hard and dense Chinese sponge. But it does feel somewhat boosted and bouncy and performs very well. All shots feel very consistent and reliable. It's very good unboosted, but rubber does seem to want a little more booster anyway.

Loki Arthur Asia - The price of this rubber has come down quite a lot, which gave me a reason to take a fresh look at this rubber. With booster, it is fast. It has good tackiness and spin. I feel I can hit very powerful loops with this rubber. It does seem to have slightly less arc than Arthur China.

C tier - Performance is considered moderately high. These rubbers may need more technique from the user to bring out their potential or have notable flaws in meeting the criteria.

DHS Hurricane 3 - An excellent rubber for its own style of play, but ranks lower on this list because it is less similar to D09c and the stated criteria. Without booster, this rubber is tacky and somewhat slow, but gives a healthy and comfortable throw angle and arc. With enough booster, it significantly increases in speed and catapult, but still requires more input strength from the user to reach its full potential.

Friendship Battle Max - Kinda sits in between H3 and Battle 2. The speed is a bit faster than H3 and the throw angle is a bit higher than Battle 2. A bit more speed oriented and less spin oriented than H3. A pretty good hard, tacky, Chinese rubber option.

Haifu Whale - Similar in function to H3, but more similar to H8 as it is slightly more speed oriented. Has medium reaction to booster, but not a tremendous reaction. Very good loop control, good speed and spin. All around, very solid performance, but less memorable than higher ranking rubbers.

Loki Rxton 5 - A good rubber that is more similar to H3 than it is to D09c. Hard, tacky, but not as much catapult as desired. Also quality control seems to be a major problem as hardness varies dramatically by batch. This rubber could be dropped lower because of QC issues, but I have it ranked on my memory of its best version.

D tier - Performance is considered to be average. The rubber only meets some of the criteria and has some major flaws

Friendship Battle 2 - Rubber’s most notable flaw is it has a low throw angle and thus is less comfortable to use. Also does not have a strong reaction to booster. But it is hard and tacky and dwelly.

Sanwei Target Pro Blue - Also has a low throw angle and is somewhat uncomfortable to use. Has a medium reaction to booster. Hard and tacky, but not a great dwell time.

Sanwei Target Pro 3 - Almost the same quality and issues as Pro Blue. Slightly slower and and more dwelly than Pro Blue.

E tier - Performance is considered to be low. Rubbers have flaws that define its performance more than its strengths

Sanwei Target National - Extremely low throw angle, too soft sponge, overly tacky, no reaction to booster. This rubber is very hard to use and not recommendable. It is quite fast though.

ok I have finally arrived at a place where I feel I can share my opinion on the Loki GTX pro alternative to D09c.

First of all I want to thank TensorBackhand for this post and all his personal consulting to me in private on chasing the perfect rubber in the chinese department. Most if not all of his advice has been spot on actually. And I saved myself a LOT testing out.

Ill try stay on topic for the Loki GTX.... So. I boosted it 3 times with Haifu Seamoon yellow. and it responded dramatically. I had to wait days until I could glue it on my racket. I put it on the Yinhe 01 pro as I already knew this was a great blade in so many ways. So this is a budget racket setup overall.
And Im comparing it with my regular overpriced Viscaria with Dignics 09c on both sides. The price difference between these 2 is staggering and a complete joke.
Weight are about the same for both.... around 196grams.
I dont want to go into the blades and comparison as this would be too long a post then. But I prefer the Viscaria a little bit more myself. However several other players actually prefer the 01 pro.... its that close.

Dignics 09c compared to a triple boosted GTX pro which is the top tier in tensorbackhands post.
the GTX pro does NOT have the baby oil as my understanding was its to make it easier to control. I felt no need for that as GTX is extremely easy to control to me. In fact its much easier than 09c to control. Especially in mid and long rallies. I think a LOT of people struggle with 09c due to its insane throw angle. It plays so different from many other rubbers its not easy to get used to. However, once you figure it out, its to your advantage. maybe. haha. Your strokes on 09c DEMANDS excellence. If your technique is lacking forget about it..... and get the GTX. you WILL land the ball on the table with it. And most likely with MORE spin than 09c as I find it a level higher in spin capacity. yup.... its MORE spinny than 09c. GTX is faster.... more spinny and easier to control. And cost a fraction..... but...... BUT.
Blocking is levels better on 09c. close play. levels better. fine subtle touch levels better.
So here is why it took me so long time to figure out whats going on with these 2 rubbers:
I play really well some days. My mind is sharp. nervous system responds really well. I got tons of energy. Other days its just not optimal. On those days I do more "lazy" shots. Minor correction mistakes. D09c will simply HATE you on those days. you play 90% with 09c you might as well just pack your shit and go home.
But on the good days its like this: I can now wield its true power and it LIFTS me up and I do shit I didnt even know I could do. Its teaching me the next level of play. And it works when done proper. Its like 1+1=3 kind of thing. And on those days the control is better than the GTX as I am in alignment with the nuances it provides.

I tried playing for hours on the good days with the GTX and its not doing the same for me. Its a great rubber.... I mean, really. great. I find it better than any ESN rubber I tried. And its the best chinese rubber I tried too. the only 2 rubbers I liked better is the Tibhar Hybrid k3(but it dies in just 1.5 months), and Dignics 09c.

So let me put it this way: If 09c didnt exist, or I couldnt afford shelling out that crazy money it cost, my go to rubber would be the triple boosted GTX pro.
My wife likes this better than her 09c. And several players here agrees with her and use it too. I know many who do not like the 09c very much and do not understand the hype. I do, but I can see it from both sides of why anyone would think the way they do. The differences are not that great(expect the throw angle maybe).

Now with all that said one of my biggest surprises in the chinese shopping journey was the Sanwei Inner Carbon 75 blade. Next ill try put the GTX on that one. will be fun.
Again thank you to TensorBackhand for making this great post on alternatives. I know this has helped a lot of young men/women get their hands on cheap but very high quality equipment without breaking the bank.

 

[TensorBackhand]

ok I have finally arrived at a place where I feel I can share my opinion on the Loki GTX pro alternative to D09c.

First of all I want to thank TensorBackhand for this post and all his personal consulting to me in private on chasing the perfect rubber in the chinese department. Most if not all of his advice has been spot on actually. And I saved myself a LOT testing out.

Ill try stay on topic for the Loki GTX.... So. I boosted it 3 times with Haifu Seamoon yellow. and it responded dramatically. I had to wait days until I could glue it on my racket. I put it on the Yinhe 01 pro as I already knew this was a great blade in so many ways. So this is a budget racket setup overall.
And Im comparing it with my regular overpriced Viscaria with Dignics 09c on both sides. The price difference between these 2 is staggering and a complete joke.
Weight are about the same for both.... around 196grams.
I dont want to go into the blades and comparison as this would be too long a post then. But I prefer the Viscaria a little bit more myself. However several other players actually prefer the 01 pro.... its that close.

Dignics 09c compared to a triple boosted GTX pro which is the top tier in tensorbackhands post.
the GTX pro does NOT have the baby oil as my understanding was its to make it easier to control. I felt no need for that as GTX is extremely easy to control to me. In fact its much easier than 09c to control. Especially in mid and long rallies. I think a LOT of people struggle with 09c due to its insane throw angle. It plays so different from many other rubbers its not easy to get used to. However, once you figure it out, its to your advantage. maybe. haha. Your strokes on 09c DEMANDS excellence. If your technique is lacking forget about it..... and get the GTX. you WILL land the ball on the table with it. And most likely with MORE spin than 09c as I find it a level higher in spin capacity. yup.... its MORE spinny than 09c. GTX is faster.... more spinny and easier to control. And cost a fraction..... but...... BUT.
Blocking is levels better on 09c. close play. levels better. fine subtle touch levels better.
So here is why it took me so long time to figure out whats going on with these 2 rubbers:
I play really well some days. My mind is sharp. nervous system responds really well. I got tons of energy. Other days its just not optimal. On those days I do more "lazy" shots. Minor correction mistakes. D09c will simply HATE you on those days. you play 90% with 09c you might as well just pack your shit and go home.
But on the good days its like this: I can now wield its true power and it LIFTS me up and I do shit I didnt even know I could do. Its teaching me the next level of play. And it works when done proper. Its like 1+1=3 kind of thing. And on those days the control is better than the GTX as I am in alignment with the nuances it provides.

I tried playing for hours on the good days with the GTX and its not doing the same for me. Its a great rubber.... I mean, really. great. I find it better than any ESN rubber I tried. And its the best chinese rubber I tried too. the only 2 rubbers I liked better is the Tibhar Hybrid k3(but it dies in just 1.5 months), and Dignics 09c.

So let me put it this way: If 09c didnt exist, or I couldnt afford shelling out that crazy money it cost, my go to rubber would be the triple boosted GTX pro.
My wife likes this better than her 09c. And several players here agrees with her and use it too. I know many who do not like the 09c very much and do not understand the hype. I do, but I can see it from both sides of why anyone would think the way they do. The differences are not that great(expect the throw angle maybe).

Now with all that said one of my biggest surprises in the chinese shopping journey was the Sanwei Inner Carbon 75 blade. Next ill try put the GTX on that one. will be fun.
Again thank you to TensorBackhand for making this great post on alternatives. I know this has helped a lot of young men/women get their hands on cheap but very high quality equipment without breaking the bank.

My technique is much lower than Cadoia, so yeah I also personally find D09c really hard to control. It requires hitting the ball just right, with the right angle and penetration. I find the GTX is much more tolerant and easier to land on the table. GTX makes me look like a stronger player, while D09c forces me to play with more precise technique.

Did you test GTX on FH or also BH? You may love it on BH as well. It has power and grip and spin...no reason to not love it on bh too. Also, I am told by @mattlamperouge that GTX is going out of production, so you might want to stock up on some extra sheets for the future. I call GTX the best kept secret in TT rubbers.

Yes I think GTX on the Inner 75 is a great combo. The extra dwell time makes for a looping monster.

 

[Cadoia]

My technique is much lower than Cadoia, so yeah I also personally find D09c really hard to control. It requires hitting the ball just right, with the right angle and penetration. I find the GTX is much more tolerant and easier to land on the table. GTX makes me look like a stronger player, while D09c forces me to play with more precise technique.

Did you test GTX on FH or also BH? You may love it on BH as well. It has power and grip and spin...no reason to not love it on bh too. Also, I am told by @mattlamperouge that GTX is going out of production, so you might want to stock up on some extra sheets for the future. I call GTX the best kept secret in TT rubbers.

Yes I think GTX on the Inner 75 is a great combo. The extra dwell time makes for a looping monster.

Too bad if it goes out of production. Doesnt make sense.
Yes I used it on both sides. Just like I use 09c on both sides as well.
It fits well on both sides honestly, but that is highly individual off course.

 

[mattlamperouge]

For sure GTX boosted it's quite the hidden gem (specially with clearance prices) sadly it's an early product, loki seems to release similar "updated" products. Ofc some like the older models. For example N80 was their "premium" H3 style sticky rubber, then they released the cheaper Rxton 5 that in theory they share the same characteristics and process. Rxton 3 Pro seems to be the alternative to GTX since it uses the same sponge model, same hardness, sticky and internal process, etc. Ofc they aren't exactly the same and Rxton 3 pro it's only in black.

 

[SlowPower]

Hi, yes, spin is great, but it is the heaviest I tried. What rubber is heavier?

My guess is joola ryzen zgx.
Near 60g cut...