Best Chinese sticky rubbers that don't need boosting

[Zwill]

I need to rewrite my list sometime because I have been testing a lot and while I still think Pinyi Cuifeng and Quanshibao F1 and Loki Arthur China are top 3 but maybe I might reconsider bumping LAC to numero 1.
LAC pro has been kind to me, and it's not bubbling up, so maybe Loki improved their gluing process. It's around 48-50g cut to big size blade face, bigger than the standard Butterfly. The sponge and topsheet are great, the hardness is right, and the stick is right. I have glued an LAC on my Stiga Inspira Plus and it feels really just right. Just like D09c tbh. It has everything and more... Maybe a bit less speed, but more grip and durability. I can trade some speed for that since I don't lack it anyway. I feel like Loki kind of caught lightning in a bottle with LAC, and since maybe they are solving their durability issues, it is a good recommendation.

I am wondering how this rubber will perform on a Mizuntani ZLC or even SZLC. I feel the release angle of the rubber is quite high and the topsheet is quite strong, so maybe it can handle a faster blade than a Viscaria. And this rubber is quite transparent, so it hits down on the blade well and also has a lot of spin too. I know a rubber is good when a short pips player struggle agains the spin, either blocks long or in the net but he feels very uncomfy.

 

[DBsystem78]

I share this thought i've been playing Lac unboosted and really love the feeling on a 301T I don't feel it lacks too much speed , the throw angle is much more than my previous battle 2 so still need more time to adjust but ill stick to it and try to improve for a while , the sheet looks durable so far

 

[MORTtheORT]

Not sure where Nittaku H3 Turbo Blue/Orange is produced (probably japanese sponge?), but these are good unboosted

Always been curious about this rubber..I would assume Nittaku would only allow higher quality rubbers to help avoid the inconsistency you can get with H3s.

 

[MORTtheORT]

I have had a casual hit with the Battle 3 and thought it was a much easier to use version of the H3N. I can't confirm if it wasn't boosted or not as I just had a hit to see what it was like...but it felt good.

 

[chandyrandy]

Anyone planning on trying Loki telson China?

 

[BHShoulderPain]

I need to rewrite my list sometime because I have been testing a lot and while I still think Pinyi Cuifeng and Quanshibao F1 and Loki Arthur China are top 3 but maybe I might reconsider bumping LAC to numero 1.
LAC pro has been kind to me, and it's not bubbling up, so maybe Loki improved their gluing process. It's around 48-50g cut to big size blade face, bigger than the standard Butterfly. The sponge and topsheet are great, the hardness is right, and the stick is right. I have glued an LAC on my Stiga Inspira Plus and it feels really just right. Just like D09c tbh. It has everything and more... Maybe a bit less speed, but more grip and durability. I can trade some speed for that since I don't lack it anyway. I feel like Loki kind of caught lightning in a bottle with LAC, and since maybe they are solving their durability issues, it is a good recommendation.

I am wondering how this rubber will perform on a Mizuntani ZLC or even SZLC. I feel the release angle of the rubber is quite high and the topsheet is quite strong, so maybe it can handle a faster blade than a Viscaria. And this rubber is quite transparent, so it hits down on the blade well and also has a lot of spin too. I know a rubber is good when a short pips player struggle agains the spin, either blocks long or in the net but he feels very uncomfy.

Sorry, I'm a little confused. Does that mean the LAC Pro is the best or the regular LAC?

 

[Lando]

Yinhe Big Dipper felt bouncy, if I remember correctly.

 

[DBsystem78]

Yinhe Big Dipper felt bouncy, if I remember correctly.

Yes I like it on backhand at 38 degres feels good to play with ! very nice feeling

 

[merlin el mago]

Sorry, I'm a little confused. Does that mean the LAC Pro is the best or the regular LAC?

I'm interested to know also?

 

[Zwill]

Sorry, I'm a little confused. Does that mean the LAC Pro is the best or the regular LAC?

I'm interested to know also?

I like the LAC Pro more for sure. I think the weight is lower by a few gramms and so far for me the Pro is not bubbling up. The Pro is always 40 degrees hard while the normal LAC can be 40 or 41, sometimes you can pick sometimes not, so kind of random. And normal LAC I had durability issues with bubbling up.
But in play I don't feel much difference between LAC 40deg and LAC Pro (also 40 deg), on a blind test it would be impossible to tell.
I can't even tell what is the difference between them besides what I noticed. But maybe the Pro is just certain 40 degree version, maybe bit stickier, maybe really different glue between sponge or topsheet, maybe they are sleected to be lighter. Like, pick your poison.

 

[merlin el mago]

Thanks for your input.

 

[Larshos]

I like the LAC Pro more for sure. I think the weight is lower by a few gramms and so far for me the Pro is not bubbling up. The Pro is always 40 degrees hard while the normal LAC can be 40 or 41, sometimes you can pick sometimes not, so kind of random. And normal LAC I had durability issues with bubbling up.
But in play I don't feel much difference between LAC 40deg and LAC Pro (also 40 deg), on a blind test it would be impossible to tell.
I can't even tell what is the difference between them besides what I noticed. But maybe the Pro is just certain 40 degree version, maybe bit stickier, maybe really different glue between sponge or topsheet, maybe they are sleected to be lighter. Like, pick your poison.

Is this the LAC Pro?

 

[Larshos]

BTW, Pinyi Cui Feng, Cui Feng 2.5(?), Quanshibao F1 and 08 can be bought at Tokspin:

PINYI Cui Feng Blue Sponge Table Tennis Rubber - TokSpin.com | Chinese PingPong | Best Table Tennis Online Store

Unleash powerful spin and speed with PINYI Cui Feng Blue Sponge table tennis rubber. Designed for 40+ balls, its high-density sticky surface offers deep ball grip, incredible rotation, and consistent attacking arcs. Pre-glued for convenience.

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PINYI Cui Feng (2.5th Generation) Blue Sponge Table Tennis Rubber - TokSpin.com | Chinese PingPong | Best Table Tennis Online Store

Experience elite spin with PINYI Cui Feng (2.5th Generation) Blue Sponge rubber. Featuring a super-tacky top sheet and a high-elastic large-pore blue sponge for explosive power and extreme rotation. The ultimate affordable professional rubber at TokSpin!

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QUANSHIBAO POWER F1 SPEED 08 Table Tennis Rubber - TokSpin.com | Chinese PingPong | Best Table Tennis Online Store

Elevate your table tennis game with QUANSHIBAO POWER F1 and SPEED 08 rubber! ITTF-approved, high-elastic, high-density reverse rubber offers fast speed, strong spin, and precise control. Perfect for competitive play and training. Choose the 40° POWER F1 for power or 37° SPEED 08 for spin and...

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Tokspin is the same person/store as "Chinese PingPong" on Aliexpress.

 

[merlin el mago]

Do you know if he sells the rubbers on Aliexpress if so could you give the link, thank you.

 

[Larshos]

Only I could find was this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...|x_object_id:1005010725318773|_p_origin_prod:

 

[DBsystem78]

@Zwill

Could you recompare this 3 rubbers when you got the time ?

-1, Pinyi Cuifeng 39-40deg.

-2, Quanshibao F1

-3, Loki Arthur China

 

[merlin el mago]

Asked IA about LAC & LAC Pro differences.



The
Loki Arthur China PRO (often in an orange package) features a specialized, extra-sticky, and harder, more dense sponge designed for higher performance. Compared to the standard Loki Arthur China, the Pro version offers superior spin potential and more aggressive, direct power, making it better for intermediate-to-advanced players seeking a traditional, high-tension, sticky, Chinese-style rubber feel.
Key Differences Between Arthur China (Standard) vs. Pro:

• Topsheet & Stickiness: The Pro version is known as "Super Sticky," offering superior, high-level adhesion for maximum spin compared to the regular version.
• Sponge Density & Hardness: The Pro version has a denser, harder sponge (typically around 40-41 degrees) that provides a "thicker" contact and more power on hard swings. The standard version is generally more manageable for a wider range of skill levels.
• Performance Characteristics: The Pro version is geared towards generating high spin and speed from mid-distance, whereas the standard Arthur China is often considered easier to control closer to the table.
• Weight: Users have noted that Arthur China (specifically the Pro) can be quite heavy.

Note: Some users indicate that the orange packaging signifies the higher-performing Pro (super sticky) version, while the green packaging often indicates the regular, less sticky version.

 

[belllfador]

Can't see the hype. The only good thing about LAC is the low weight. The sponge is fragile, the topsheet separates easily, every color has different properties. My green LAC shrink a lot in just 1 month. I boosted it to fix that, and the rubber became mushy asf. G09C is similar but better, and you know what to expect from it.

 

[merlin el mago]

Remember OP said "rubbers that don't need boosting"

 

[Zwill]

Is this the LAC Pro?
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Yes, this is the Pro one.

@Zwill

Could you recompare this 3 rubbers when you got the time ?

-1, Pinyi Cuifeng 39-40deg.

-2, Quanshibao F1

-3, Loki Arthur China

Cuifeng more heavy and hard and Chinese blue sponge like. Durability is very good. It's not that bouncy but not slow it's hard and quite fast. Needs good power to be hit through but if you manage to it's so good and rewarding.

Quanshibao is a bit less sticky a bit faster and easier to use. It's lighter than Cuifeng and maybe has less top potential but also it's so much easier to use that probably it's more suitable for most people.

LAC is maybe the most sticky out of the 3, has a cake sponge so it feels to most soft and bouncy by default. Easier to use than Cuifeng, not sure about the Quanshibao F1, that is quite easy. Weightwise also similar to F1. F1 is for sure more Chinese like than LAC, LAC is more similar to D09c or K3. Durability is questionable for sure but accessibility is the best among all. I like to use it for sure, but the others as well, I can rotate among them.