Big Dipper, Loki Arthur China experience.

[Grumms]

I have a GTX boosted but was not convinced. It's on the BH of my Yinhe 01 and it's fine like that.

 

[TensorBackhand]

I tried these rubbers too thanks to Tensorbackhand's recommendations.
I highly recommend you to try out the Loki GTX pro in boosted state. its even better than the rubbers you mentioned if you ask me. Was my favorite of the cheap chinese ones.

I hope some new exciting Chinese rubbers come out.

Double-Fish Volant Phoenix is very very good rubber. But it's less of a hybrid, and more like a boosted H3.

 

[TensorBackhand]

I have a GTX boosted but was not convinced. It's on the BH of my Yinhe 01 and it's fine like that.

Yes? What didn't you like about GTX?

 

[AutomaticBackhand]

I've been using my LAC on this blade for ~4-5 months on and off and it's still great.
Maybe not at 100% of it's original state, but I'd say at least 80%.

I put a plastic sheet on it after every training session (if I remember to do so) and it can still pick up the ball and is quite sticky each time I peel it off.

I'll order another 2 sheets or so soon.

 

[lodro]

I've been using my LAC on this blade for ~4-5 months on and off and it's still great.
Maybe not at 100% of it's original state, but I'd say at least 80%.

I put a plastic sheet on it after every training session (if I remember to do so) and it can still pick up the ball and is quite sticky each time I peel it off.

I'll order another 2 sheets or so soon.

sounds great but be prepared for disappointment because Loki is known for its inconstancy and you might end up getting some real rubbish.

 

[AutomaticBackhand]

sounds great but be prepared for disappointment because Loki is known for its inconstancy and you might end up getting some real rubbish.

Had no major issues so far after 6 sheets.
2 of which were for someone else.

Unless I hit my racket into the table or on it's edges, it was fine.

Never measured hardness or anything.

 

[Grumms]

Yes? What didn't you like about GTX?

It's not that I did not like it. I preferred by far BD and LAC, for some 'feeling' reason. But I did not tested the GTX on the same blade, so my opinion is irrelevant.

 

[turbozed]

I've been using my LAC on this blade for ~4-5 months on and off and it's still great.
Maybe not at 100% of it's original state, but I'd say at least 80%.

I put a plastic sheet on it after every training session (if I remember to do so) and it can still pick up the ball and is quite sticky each time I peel it off.

I'll order another 2 sheets or so soon.

I've had a lot of luck with Loki too. Have used 7 sheets and only 1 of them was bad because (partly my fault since I boosted it twice).

LAC and Rxton 3 Blue have been the best performers. Over 50 hrs+ on a few of them with little discernable drop in performance. They just won't die.

729 has been the most dissappointing for me actually. Have tried Battle 2 Pro OS and two sheets of Bloom Power. One of the Bloom Power sheets had the tacky layer come off while peeling the protective sheet (!). The ones that had no defects still play mediocre compared to LAC. So I'm 0/3 on satisfaction level there.

 

[netdriver]

I've had a lot of luck with Loki too. Have used 7 sheets and only 1 of them was bad because (partly my fault since I boosted it twice).

LAC and Rxton 3 Blue have been the best performers. Over 50 hrs+ on a few of them with little discernable drop in performance. They just won't die.

729 has been the most dissappointing for me actually. Have tried Battle 2 Pro OS and two sheets of Bloom Power. One of the Bloom Power sheets had the tacky layer come off while peeling the protective sheet (!). The ones that had no defects still play mediocre compared to LAC. So I'm 0/3 on satisfaction level there.

if you want to feel even more disappointment you should totally try a B2BS, either provincial or national

 

[turbozed]

if you want to feel even more disappointment you should totally try a B2BS, either provincial or national

Ah man don't say that. I have an unopened sheet sitting around in my TT equipment box.

How come it didn't work for you?

 

[netdriver]

Ah man don't say that. I have an unopened sheet sitting around in my TT equipment box.

How come it didn't work for you?

it works for me but when you start to branch out to other brands such as LOKI or even Reactor, the rubber starts to pale in comparison

my main gripe with B2BS provincial would be its reliability, at times there were ball slippage problems that i feel like it shouldnt have happened when you loop. probably has something to do with the very stiff topsheet.

i dont find the short game to be as good as other tacky rubbers with B2BS prov, unlike other rubbers you really need to use a little more force to dig into the topsheet a little bit for decent spin on your pushes (again, probably due to the stiff topsheet). this comes with its own set of problems, meaning that you would have a difficult time controlling the short game.

last but not least is that the speed-spin ratio is borked if you're playing it unboosted straight from the package. speedy shots go out of the table bc theres not enough spin to pull it onto the table, spinny shots are not dangerous enough due to slow speed.

biggest disappointment is that you still need to boost B2BS after all even though people taut it as an alternative to H3 if you don't want to boost lol. the speed-spin ratio issue is fixed by boosting and looping then becomes a really pleasant experience with low-throw, dangerous spinny fast balls. but the short game and ball slippage issues persists.

a boosted B2BS admittedly plays really nice, but so do other rubbers when they're boosted. if you were to play B2BS, i recommend 2 layers of seamoon. after that, you're good to go looping.

 

[turbozed]

it works for me but when you start to branch out to other brands such as LOKI or even Reactor, the rubber starts to pale in comparison

my main gripe with B2BS provincial would be its reliability, at times there were ball slippage problems that i feel like it shouldnt have happened when you loop. probably has something to do with the very stiff topsheet.

i dont find the short game to be as good as other tacky rubbers with B2BS prov, unlike other rubbers you really need to use a little more force to dig into the topsheet a little bit for decent spin on your pushes (again, probably due to the stiff topsheet). this comes with its own set of problems, meaning that you would have a difficult time controlling the short game.

last but not least is that the speed-spin ratio is borked if you're playing it unboosted straight from the package. speedy shots go out of the table bc theres not enough spin to pull it onto the table, spinny shots are not dangerous enough due to slow speed.

biggest disappointment is that you still need to boost B2BS after all even though people taut it as an alternative to H3 if you don't want to boost lol. the speed-spin ratio issue is fixed by boosting and looping then becomes a really pleasant experience with low-throw, dangerous spinny fast balls. but the short game and ball slippage issues persists.

a boosted B2BS admittedly plays really nice, but so do other rubbers when they're boosted. if you were to play B2BS, i recommend 2 layers of seamoon. after that, you're good to go looping.

Thanks for the detailed breakdown. I was on the fence about whether to boost but I think I'll take your advice if I ever get around to using it.

I'm more interesting in testing out Rxton 9 after my LAC finally dies. Do you have any experience with Rxton 9 and whether or not it should be boosted? I play with LAC unboosted and am pretty satisfied with it.

 

[netdriver]

@turbozed B2BS national OTOH plays better than the provincial unboosted.

ive had a chance to try out a club mate's BSB2 national who also had the same blade as me. the topsheet feels more pliable/elastic and it does feel like it can grip the ball significantly better than the provincial.

however you would still need to boost the rubber because unlike the provincial it lacks a bit of venom. judging by how the provincial played when boosted, B2 national boosted will probably be the holy grail of the B2 lineup.

longle used to play B2 national before he went hurricane so i believe that you would have a better time with national.

i would have a good time too, but in this case the disappointment comes from how pricey it is. (i am a cheapskate after all)

 

[netdriver]

Thanks for the detailed breakdown. I was on the fence about whether to boost but I think I'll take your advice if I ever get around to using it.

I'm more interesting in testing out Rxton 9 after my LAC finally dies. Do you have any experience with Rxton 9 and whether or not it should be boosted? I play with LAC unboosted and am pretty satisfied with it.

no experience with rxton 9....yet!!

 

[Fnub]

my main gripe with B2BS provincial would be its reliability, at times there were ball slippage problems that i feel like it shouldnt have happened when you loop. probably has something to do with the very stiff topsheet.

i dont find the short game to be as good as other tacky rubbers with B2BS prov, unlike other rubbers you really need to use a little more force to dig into the topsheet a little bit for decent spin on your pushes (again, probably due to the stiff topsheet). this comes with its own set of problems, meaning that you would have a difficult time controlling the short game.

last but not least is that the speed-spin ratio is borked if you're playing it unboosted straight from the package. speedy shots go out of the table bc theres not enough spin to pull it onto the table, spinny shots are not dangerous enough due to slow speed.

I would agree with you on this rubber if I kept playing it on a carbon blade - 729 Blue ALC.
But recently I switched to a 7 plywood stiff blade and I fell in love with this rubber on FH.
I have the 39 Prov BS version(mine is in red if that matters).
The thing I really like in this Battle is its linearity. I can control any ball if I'm in position.
Also I like the grip it has. I don't find any slippage issues if I play in normal conditions. I feel that I can lift the ball using only the topsheet unlike the D09c, for example. But if it is just a little bit humid the topsheet becomes like a brick and there is just no spin. Even H3 is better in high humidity.

Spin is good when it isn't humid. On H3 level. But if I sweat a little the spin disappears. I think because of the hard topsheet.

The sponge is solid and fast. It doesn't have the catapult the STN has and doesn't have the kick H3 has. It's just fast and linear and like it a lot. It's really easy to powerloop.

On Blue ALC I has like no dwell time and has little spin and no control so I didn't like it. Played both boosted and unboosted, don't find much difference.

Also I had some experience with B2 Nat BS 38 and B2 Gold 40. The National one is more elastic and has more easy spin. Lack some venom on the FH, though. On BH it was a dream but I switched bc is was sensitive to humidity. Gold one is good on FH, has even better grip than BS Prov but lacks some venom and has some catapult I don't like.

I think Battle series are really prone to the blade and to the conditions in the hall.

 

[Grumms]

Thanks for the detailed breakdown. I was on the fence about whether to boost but I think I'll take your advice if I ever get around to using it.

I'm more interesting in testing out Rxton 9 after my LAC finally dies. Do you have any experience with Rxton 9 and whether or not it should be boosted? I play with LAC unboosted and am pretty satisfied with it.

I tried the Rxton 9 wednesday on the same blade than mine (Stuor Long V). It seemed quite similar to LAC. But my friend admitted to have slightly boosted it, and I did not boost my LAC, so it's hard to make an unbiased comparison.

And to go further, I ordered many new rubbers that I'll receive next week :
- Battle 3
- Aurora Max
- Double Fish QIJI
- Double Fish Volant Phoenix Blue

I think I'll boost the Aurora Max but not the others.

 

[Kopp]

I've tried the Loki rubber, and unfortunately, I found the quality control to be quite poor. The top sheet peeled off the sponge, which is a major disappointment. I won't be purchasing from this brand again.

 

[lodro]

I've tried the Loki rubber, and unfortunately, I found the quality control to be quite poor. The top sheet peeled off the sponge, which is a major disappointment. I won't be purchasing from this brand again.

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please tell us which rubber this is

 

[Kopp]

please tell us which rubber this is

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[WingTT]

I tried the Rxton 9. It 's basically like H3 which is pretty unfriendly to play with unless it is boosted or well broken in. Boosted it is good but I was using a blade that was too stiff for me so did not get the best of it. LAC still has much more accessible power and does not require boosting. I've only had one new LAC start bubbling out of the over 10 sheets I bought.