Butterfly Zyre 03

[merlin el mago]

He switched from D05/D05 on BTY ZJK SZLC to Zyre03/Zyre03 on BTY Viscaria.

Good change because Viscaria have more flex & is a less hard than ZJK SZLC

 

[merlin el mago]

Very nice point but i don´t think the technique is clean.
Backhand also needs good hip accelaration if thats given, you can hit shots like that or even better no problem.

I guess isn't spoken about technique more related to ball position to win the point.

 

[NDH]

How did you just BH so effortlessly? It's unreal!

I close my eyes and hope for the best!

Very nice point but i don´t think the technique is clean.
Backhand also needs good hip accelaration if thats given, you can hit shots like that or even better no problem.

Let's not derail the thread too much..... But it's very hard to gauge table tennis technique from words - It would be great if you could do a video demonstrating how you personally do it (there's a "video safe" thread if you didn't want others to comment on it).

Improvements are always welcomed!

 

[merlin el mago]

Tried Zyre yesterday doing a few drills, with a ZJK Super ZLC of a friend mine.
Didn't like it all. The only advantage it has is that it's very fast and excels at blocking

Otherwise, it's definitely less spinny that Dignics 05 or 09C. The topsheet grips the ball, but somehow it's not able to generate as much spin, even with full body swing. Didn't like long pushes with it at all but I didn't test short game.
The arc I would say it ymedium.

All in all, definitely not worth the hype and it's more a BH rubber than FH

I don't agree, because the rubber only have max spin when have max speed, also I don't think ZLC or SZLC with ZYRE-03 it's a good combo because both (rubber & bat) have small dwell time.

 

[merlin el mago]

Just to add some context to all of this Z03 discussion….. Because I really do believe that “ability” is massively overlooked when discussing equipment.

For clarity, me (far side, large human), is playing with an inner carbon ALC blade and D09c on both sides.

Near side has a ZJSALC (yes, super!) with a BOOSTED Z03 forehand rubber.

I’ve used it, it’s quick, and too reactive for me personally.

But everyone has this impression that D09c is slow, or useless away from the table, and somehow Z03 is the answer.

Technique matters. A lot. And you can see from the very short video that even a boosted Z03 on a fast blade can be controllable (my playing partner was pretty consistent considering it was the first time he’d used it!) and D09c can be a weapon from away from the table if needed!

For what it’s worth…. The reason I moved to D09c was to get that safety - Just look at the arc, the ball bounces 50-75% down the other side of the table, and it’s quick ENOUGH.

It’s not a rocket, nor as quick/direct as D05 or Z03 but it’s puts the ball in the table much more….

And yes, this is the only clip I have from the match (he recorded), because who doesn’t want to see a backhand winner down the line to go 2-0 up….. 😂


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You said "joder tio"?

🤣😂🤣😂🤣💪🏓

 

[pawlott]

What is Viz Lite?

3+2 blade from Butterfly.
Butterfly release this as lighter alternative to original Viscaria.
Viscaria Light has been discontinued for many years.
Structure is Ayous-ALC-Kiri.
Fast and stiff blade, I prefer Viscaria's type of blade more.

 

[NextLevel]

Just to add some context to all of this Z03 discussion….. Because I really do believe that “ability” is massively overlooked when discussing equipment.

For clarity, me (far side, large human), is playing with an inner carbon ALC blade and D09c on both sides.

Near side has a ZJSALC (yes, super!) with a BOOSTED Z03 forehand rubber.

I’ve used it, it’s quick, and too reactive for me personally.

But everyone has this impression that D09c is slow, or useless away from the table, and somehow Z03 is the answer.

Technique matters. A lot. And you can see from the very short video that even a boosted Z03 on a fast blade can be controllable (my playing partner was pretty consistent considering it was the first time he’d used it!) and D09c can be a weapon from away from the table if needed!

For what it’s worth…. The reason I moved to D09c was to get that safety - Just look at the arc, the ball bounces 50-75% down the other side of the table, and it’s quick ENOUGH.

It’s not a rocket, nor as quick/direct as D05 or Z03 but it’s puts the ball in the table much more….

And yes, this is the only clip I have from the match (he recorded), because who doesn’t want to see a backhand winner down the line to go 2-0 up….. 😂


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I live somewhere where many people have D09c on their backhands. I used to have it on my backhand as well and I can play with it there (heck, I have used hard Big Dipper, H3 and TG3 Skyline on my backhand) and may go back to it. It's just work to get the ball moving. But its far from some impossible task, lots of top players use it on backhand on outer ALC/SALC blades.

 

[NextLevel]

Please let me know what blade, the rubber of the other side & total weight of your racket.

Also a video of you playing.

TIA

I put it on a Viscaria SALC then a Hugo HAL. I now will have it on a Hadraw VK.

The below should give you an example of how I play. The Zyre03 requires precise movement. My movement is much less precise than the rubber facilitates. Here i use Viscaria SAlC with Dignics 80.

 

[Sriver1]

It's hard to play when you don't bend your knees and your waist. No rubber performs well in that scenario.

 

[NextLevel]

It's hard to play when you don't bend your knees and your waist. No rubber performs well in that scenario.

In principle i agree. In practice, I let the performance level and its limitations speak for itself. What do you think my USATT/TTR is?

 

[latej]

You said "joder tio"?

🤣😂🤣😂🤣💪🏓

Someone who was watching said (well at least so I hear it): "Boha jeho". That guy is of slavic origin ;-) I could translate in different ways, but the most accurate one for this situation is: "Holy sh..!" ;-)

EDIT: Btw. since what I write is off-topic, I can as well continue. Just wanted to say that already in Dan's previous recent video I had this thought: he's improving. Just like Dima said. I'm now seriously afraid of coming to Germany next year to meet him there ;-)

 

[merlin el mago]

I put it on a Viscaria SALC then a Hugo HAL. I now will have it on a Hadraw VK.

The below should give you an example of how I play. The Zyre03 requires precise movement. My movement is much less precise than the rubber facilitates. Here i use Viscaria SAlC with Dignics 80.

I see your forehand motion is not right, it seems you brush the ball at high part and you need to impact the ball at 45º more or less, doing as you do the ball doesn't penetrate the sponge so not do speed nor spin and not power, it's a weak hit unstable that don't give you confidence to attack well.

I tried Zyre-03 with Stiga ARC WRB and didn't liked because the rubber needs always to be active so my advice is not use your Hadraw VK with Zyre-03.

Also Zyre-03 isn't designed to opening balls brushing the low balls when is under the level of the table because the low dwell time didn't give you confidence to do it with quality so returning balls with high spin and not bouncing high. You can do it but you need touch like short game so you need to train to get confidence to use it.

Zyre-03 doesn't needs the same technique like H3 or D09C, so isn't too much need to make the topspin lowering the body & hitting from the ground.

As I see your video you only need for your forehand to open a little bit the angle to reach the 45º, also you have to left all your forearm relaxed so try to do the topspin like a kinetic movement to do it using your body to generate the power & the spin.

 

[Sriver1]

In principle i agree. In practice, I let the performance level and its limitations speak for itself. What do you think my USATT/TTR is?

Sorry. I have no idea about USATT/TTR ranking level. I see you use very fast blades and rubbers. I believe they are too much for playing level.

 

[NextLevel]

Sorry. I have no idea about USATT/TTR ranking level. I see you use very fast blades and rubbers. I believe they are too much for playing level.

That's entirely fair, do you have video of your play so I can see who is providing the expert commentary and how they play?

 

[NextLevel]

I see your forehand motion is not right, it seems you brush the ball at high part and you need to impact the ball at 45º more or less, doing as you do the ball doesn't penetrate the sponge so not do speed nor spin and not power, it's a weak hit unstable that don't give you confidence to attack well.

I tried Zyre-03 with Stiga ARC WRB and didn't liked because the rubber needs always to be active so my advice is not use your Hadraw VK with Zyre-03.

Also Zyre-03 isn't designed to opening balls brushing the low balls when is under the level of the table because the low dwell time didn't give you confidence to do it with quality so returning balls with high spin and not bouncing high. You can do it but you need touch like short game so you need to train to get confidence to use it.

Zyre-03 doesn't needs the same technique like H3 or D09C, so isn't too much need to make the topspin lowering the body & hitting from the ground.

As I see your video you only need for your forehand to open a little bit the angle to reach the 45º, also you have to left all your forearm relaxed so try to do the topspin like a kinetic movement to do it using your body to generate the power & the spin.

Well, the main thing is that I can play with other rubbers. I can't play with Zyre with the same confidencethat i can with any of the Dignics rubbers. I kind of understand why, and I know my technique is not perfect, but I have strong coaches and none of my coaches have ever told me I do not know how to play forehand topspin. Basically, if I cannot play comfortably taking the ball later or softer, I cannot use a rubber. It isn't purely about hardness because like I said. I can use Dignics 09c.

 

[Grumms]

That's entirely fair, do you have video of your play so I can see who is providing the expert commentary and how they play?

Let's be serious. What USTTR would you be bragging about? In France, you would be 1000 or 1100 maximum, which is top 20% of the competitors (maybe 1700 USTTR ?). Your FH is awful, the elbow goes up, you raise your shoulder to give spin to the ball, you don't move your feet, you can't loop any long serve you receive.

If you think sriver1 has his opinion denied because he might be a less good player than you, then I don't understand all your expert opinions about pro players.

Anyway, I don't see how Zyre03 could be an improvement for you. Simply having 2 individual courses with a good coach would make you another player. And please use pinghero or some other editing tool, there are 80% of non playing time in the video.

 

[NextLevel]

Let's be serious. What USTTR would you be bragging about? In France, you would be 1000 or 1100 maximum, which is top 20% of the competitors (maybe 1700 USTTR ?). Your FH is awful, the elbow goes up, you raise your shoulder to give spin to the ball, you don't move your feet, you can't loop any long serve you receive.

If you think sriver1 has his opinion denied because he might be a less good player than you, then I don't understand all your expert opinions about pro players.

Anyway, I don't see how Zyre03 could be an improvement for you. Simply having 2 individual courses with a good coach would make you another player. And please use pinghero or some other editing tool, there are 80% of non playing time in the video.

My story is fairly well known to people who have been posting on the internet since 2011, my identity is public and since this thread is on Zyre 03, I will leave it at that. According to you guys, Paralympic players with bad knees can't play table tennis unless they bend their knees and hit the ball and people with arthritis can't play table tennis if they play within the limits of their conditions. Top 20% of adult tournament players is a decent rating for many people, many players do not play that well, especially people who started playing as adults. This means if you put me in a room with 5 adults players, I am usually better than 4 of them. Give that some thought (though to be fair to myself, my actual rating is higher than that). Cheers.

 

[latej]

Let's be serious. What USTTR would you be bragging about? In France, you would be 1000 or 1100 maximum, which is top 20% of the competitors (maybe 1700 USTTR ?). Your FH is awful, the elbow goes up, you raise your shoulder to give spin to the ball, you don't move your feet, you can't loop any long serve you receive.

Even if NL were twice worse than he is, and you were twice as good as you are ;-) it would still be very inappropriate to give such feedback. He didn't even ask for it. And you have zero idea about why he plays the way he plays. It's not constructive.

Still I wish we meet in Germany ;-)

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

Basically, if I cannot play comfortably taking the ball later or softer, I cannot use a rubber.

Thats the thing, I felt Z03 to only reward active and solid textbook technique. If I hit too soft, if I hit too late, if my stroke isn't properly supported by the rest of my body, and if I don't cleanly swing through the ball, the ball falls off the topsheet or shoots out of the sponge. Z03 demands a minimum of B+ average grade technique, barely passing is unacceptable and produces bad results. Even for lower energy shots, I have to jab into the ball and complete my stroke to get some sponge compression in order to get any sense of control. On the other hand I think it might be unparalleled at getting speed quality on the ball in the open rally, especially at mid distance. But it's definitely not for those of us who want to take their time and 'play lazy,' I feel it almost exclusively rewards cleanly executed active attacking shots with the goal of winning points off of speed and quality. I think its a fun rubber to practice rally with, but since I have lead feet and less than ideal technique, I really can't say that it's a good match for me.

 

[sebi]

I see your forehand motion is not right, it seems you brush the ball at high part and you need to impact the ball at 45º more or less, doing as you do the ball doesn't penetrate the sponge so not do speed nor spin and not power, it's a weak hit unstable that don't give you confidence to attack well.

I tried Zyre-03 with Stiga ARC WRB and didn't liked because the rubber needs always to be active so my advice is not use your Hadraw VK with Zyre-03.

Also Zyre-03 isn't designed to opening balls brushing the low balls when is under the level of the table because the low dwell time didn't give you confidence to do it with quality so returning balls with high spin and not bouncing high. You can do it but you need touch like short game so you need to train to get confidence to use it.

Zyre-03 doesn't needs the same technique like H3 or D09C, so isn't too much need to make the topspin lowering the body & hitting from the ground.

As I see your video you only need for your forehand to open a little bit the angle to reach the 45º, also you have to left all your forearm relaxed so try to do the topspin like a kinetic movement to do it using your body to generate the power & the spin.

Dont start, how he holds the blade, the issue is always the feet and the lower body. The way he holds the blade is a compensation for a different body and leg position.