Butterfly Zyre 03

[NextLevel]

That's the kind of review I really like! He points out the pros and cons of the rubber, how it compares to other rubbers, and how it's more suitable for some players, but definitely not all.
Although I've only had a short hit with the rubber, my findings were very similar...perhaps that part of the reason I like the review

I actually use the rubber on both sides now and my transition was not as smooth as his but once I got to the experience of seeing the rubbers kick on some put-away shots convinced me to stay. Changing equipment is also a chance for me to revisit aspects of my technique and one thing this rubber did was enable me to serve the reverse serve comfortably again. The rubber is rewards good timing in addition to all the other things in TT and it is encouraging me to be more aggressive in fixing that. Most of the stuff I used prior was relatively more forgiving.

 

[KTableTennis]

 

[KTableTennis]

 

[merlin el mago]

Mine Zyre 03 still in good shape.

For serves I like more D09C or H3 boosted.

 

[Love_TT]

I had the opportunity to use the Zyre03 on my forehand with a Viscaria.
I’m also playing with an FZD ALC and Dignics 05.

Here are some quick comparisons:

1. The Zy feels quite soft and the ball contact is extremely smooth compared to D05.
2. Very low throw, with a feeling quite similar to H3.
3. Very bouncy, not suitable for beginners.
4. Extremely spinny. When my opponent attacked using the Z, I was surprised by how much spin it produced — not inferior to H3 at all.

 

[NextLevel]

So I have gone 360 and I have now returned Zyre to my Viscaria SALC. I will play with it for at least 2 months there and see what I can learn. The most important thing i have learned about this rubber is that the feeling is not the same as other Butterfly rubbers because the rubber wants to shoot the ball out quicker and the contact time is shorter. There is no counteracting stickiness like you get with 09c so this feeling turns of a lot of players are used to the way Dignics and other rubbers currently feel. But if you play with it enough or maybe your concept of spin production and contact is subtly different already, you start finding other possibilities. The topsheet grip is amazing and probably the best possible short of being actually sticky. This and the quick ball release has improved my serves as the short contact doesn't give away the heaviness of the spin. While it feels you can't get slow and heavy spin with it, this is not the case at all, it just requires a different approach and even more precise timing. I would say that while the ball feeling is different because of the lack of stickiness, a Hurricane user might enjoy this rubber more than a Dignics user if they put in the time (definitely recommend to someone who uses Hurricane on both forehand and backhand). Obviously for some players, there will be no point trying to change feeling to adjust to a new rubber. But if some of the shots you can produce with the rubber seduce you, and you have the money, give it some time. For me, it plays more like a harder D80 (though more unforgiving) and that is a good thing to me.

So if you are willing to give it time, great. Using on a slower blade to learn the rubber is not a bad idea but time and patience is more critical. If not stick with and enjoy what you have. There is no single correct answe in amateur table tennis.

 

[IB66]

So I have gone 360 and I have now returned Zyre to my Viscaria SALC. I will play with it for at least 2 months there and see what I can learn. The most important thing i have learned about this rubber is that the feeling is not the same as other Butterfly rubbers because the rubber wants to shoot the ball out quicker and the contact time is shorter. There is no counteracting stickiness like you get with 09c so this feeling turns of a lot of players are used to the way Dignics and other rubbers currently feel. But if you play with it enough or maybe your concept of spin production and contact is subtly different already, you start finding other possibilities. The topsheet grip is amazing and probably the best possible short of being actually sticky. This and the quick ball release has improved my serves as the short contact doesn't give away the heaviness of the spin. While it feels you can't get slow and heavy spin with it, this is not the case at all, it just requires a different approach and even more precise timing. I would say that while the ball feeling is different because of the lack of stickiness, a Hurricane user might enjoy this rubber more than a Dignics user if they put in the time (definitely recommend to someone who uses Hurricane on both forehand and backhand). Obviously for some players, there will be no point trying to change feeling to adjust to a new rubber. But if some of the shots you can produce with the rubber seduce you, and you have the money, give it some time. For me, it plays more like a harder D80 (though more unforgiving) and that is a good thing to me.

So if you are willing to give it time, great. Using on a slower blade to learn the rubber is not a bad idea but time and patience is more critical. If not stick with and enjoy what you have. There is no single correct answe in amateur table tennis.

I moved Z03 onto a slightly faster all wood blade, noticed extra speed straight away but it wasn’t any more uncontrollable, after a few hits getting use to the additional speed I was back on point!!
The ‘feel’ of Z03 (for me) is great, I’m still getting my head around the fact that I actually like a top end BTY rubber!!
Perhaps coming from tacky and not so tacky (barely tacky) hybrids is the reason I like it??
T05/19 & D09C feel way different, that classic BTY feeling, & even with D09C’s slight tackiness it still felt similar to T05 just slower!!

 

[Marcelo Augusto]

I've been using Zyre 03 for a month, and in my opinion it's an excellent rubber, but it demands speed on contact, a tighter angle than normal, and quick hip rotation. It's a rubber with a very different structure than what we're used to, with a thick sponge but with more air, and a harder top layer. If you don't receive a stronger impact, the sponge won't shrink enough, and it feels like you're hitting with a cushion.
A more complex task is harmonizing the Zyre with the characteristics of the blade. Initially, I put it on a blade with internal carbon, with a longer dwell time, and I found it quite strange. It seemed like the ball wasn't reaching the carbon, that it wasn't being used enough. I didn't even hear that characteristic snap.
Then I also put it on a wooden blade, in my case a hinoki sheet, and now I'm really liking it. The softness and elastic energy of the hinoki seem to combine well with the strong repulsion of the Zyre. It seems like the two pieces of equipment are working in sync.
I could be wrong, but I believe the Zyre pairs well with carbon fiber blades, like the Viscaria, for example.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

strange is it not?

Here we have 43 pages of posting on Zyre03 and yet a similar product that came up a few years ago by Andro ( Rasenter EC series ) has hardly any mention. This is the power of branding.

 

[Dr Evil]

Well, it's official. Zyre is cheaper per hour for me than Dignics 05. How much cheaper I don't know yet because it's still going strong. I now consider it clearly the most cost effective rubber in the "Don't bother trying to justify this to your wife" category.

 

[Migzkulit]

strange it is not?

Here we have 43 pages of posting on Zyre03 and yet a similar product that came up a few years ago by Andro ( Rasenter EC series ) has hardly any mention. This is the power of marketing.

Not even rasanter is as fast as zyre even boosted. It doesnt have that feeling of explosion plus the grip is topnotch

 

[cytivrat]

strange is it not?

Here we have 43 pages of posting on Zyre03 and yet a similar product that came up a few years ago by Andro ( Rasenter EC series ) has hardly any mention. This is the power of branding.

But why are you playing with Zyre03 and not with Rasenter EC if you know about it?

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

But why are you playing with Zyre03 and not with Rasenter EC if you know about it?

1. How could I betray my No. 1 fan-boi status?
2. If I never come to TTF and have never mix or interact with you bunch of westerners I too be just like all my regular club mates, I too would be like them: ... Andro who?
3. Andro brand has absolute no traction here.
4. Its either BTY / Nitakku because that's what our club veteran grew up with or Donic because that is what our National team uses.
5. Do you know that a Rasanter EC cost more than Dignics here ? It is completely a no brainer to use Dignics.

 

[NextLevel]

1. How could I betray my No. 1 fan-boi status?
2. If I never come to TTF and have never mix or interact with you bunch of westerners I too be just like all my regular club mates, I too would be like them: ... Andro who?
3. Andro brand has absolute no traction here.
4. Its either BTY / Nitakku because that's what our club veteran grew up with or Donic because that is what our National team uses.
5. Do you know that a Rasanter EC cost more than Dignics here ? It is completely a no brainer to use Dignics.

You are just repeating his point. If you really cared about what Rasanter did, you would be using it

 

[BobFL]

For me, the Zyre03 is average at best, and the biggest disappointment in the best-case scenario i.e. if we factor in the price. It isn’t linear, it doesn’t grip the ball anywhere near as well as Dignics, and it has a serious issue with the ball slipping, which is completely unacceptable for a rubber in that price range. The rubber has that element of unpredictability and weaker ball grip. It reminds me of a Rozena on steroids.

And one (half-)joking comment: one square meter of Zyre03 costs around 3,150 euros. The average price per square meter in Abu Dhabi is 3,050 euros. For that kind of money, the performance is very depressing.

 

[NextLevel]

For me, the Zyre03 is average at best, and the biggest disappointment in the best-case scenario i.e. if we factor in the price. It isn’t linear, it doesn’t grip the ball anywhere near as well as Dignics, and it has a serious issue with the ball slipping, which is completely unacceptable for a rubber in that price range. The rubber has that element of unpredictability and weaker ball grip. It reminds me of a Rozena on steroids.

And one (half-)joking comment: one square meter of Zyre03 costs around 3,150 euros. The average price per square meter in Abu Dhabi is 3,050 euros. For that kind of money, the performance is very depressing.

The price is tied to durability and so far it has held up. I don't know wherher it grips the ball as well.as Dignics in some abstract sense but it is easily for me the gtippiest non-tacky rubber I have played with especially with that sponge hardness (which none of the non-tacky Dignics rubbers have). 09c holds better but is not as fast while 05 is clearly slower as well and there are tradeoffs there in ball quality as well. I would say that it is very difficult for someone wbo has not used it extensively to fairly comment on it, especially if they are sticking exclusively with a Dignics paradigm and haven't looked at what Zyre does when you adapt to it. And for me, it is the new king of fast long spinny serving, up there with Tenergy 05 but in a different way. I think anyone who compares Zyre to Rozena is unlikely to have activated the Zyre arc and safety.

I would give this process to pepple who want to switch to Zyre - play with it gor a bit just as you play with your current rubber. If you do great with it, awesome. If not go to step 2.

Find a setup (possibly slower possibly the same) where you can practice different kinds of acceleration when makijg contact with the ball with Zyre. The acceleration will usually come from a full stroke but you just need to find it.

Then figure out how to replicate that acceleration on the smaller shots. If you can't, junk the rubber. If you can, then consider whether you think the tradeoffs are worth it for how fast tou play and the mistakes you make.

 

[Wrighty67]

The price is tied to durability and so far it has held up. I don't know wherher it grips the ball as well.as Dignics in some abstract sense but it is easily for me the gtippiest non-tacky rubber I have played with especially with that sponge hardness (which none of the non-tacky Dignics rubbers have). 09c holds better but is not as fast while 05 is clearly slower as well and there are tradeoffs there in ball quality as well. I would say that it is very difficult for someone wbo has not used it extensively to fairly comment on it, especially if they are sticking exclusively with a Dignics paradigm and haven't looked at what Zyre does when you adapt to it. And for me, it is the new king of fast long spinny serving, up there with Tenergy 05 but in a different way. I think anyone who compares Zyre to Rozena is unlikely to have activated the Zyre arc and safety.

I would give this process to pepple who want to switch to Zyre - play with it gor a bit just as you play with your current rubber. If you do great with it, awesome. If not go to step 2.

Find a setup (possibly slower possibly the same) where you can practice different kinds of acceleration when makijg contact with the ball with Zyre. The acceleration will usually come from a full stroke but you just need to find it.

Then figure out how to replicate that acceleration on the smaller shots. If you can't, junk the rubber. If you can, then consider whether you think the tradeoffs are worth it for how fast tou play and the mistakes you make.

I agree with this, having now played with it on FH & BH for 2 months. It is without doubt the best rubber I have played with from a performance perspective - my FH quality is better and more consistent (an unusual combination) The only comparable rubber for me on FH is boosted H3 or possibly T05H and both require more effort. Serves and counters are very high quality and control for such a fast rubber is exceptional. So far durability is good.

 

[BobFL]

Let’s not go back and forth with replies now. The goal isn’t to reach a consensus. We’re here on the forum to exchange opinions and impressions — nothing more, nothing less.
I’ll just briefly comment on the price: price has nothing to do with durability. In fact, there is a negative correlation between rubber quality and hi-performance durability. This applies to all rubbers — airplane tires, car tires, and table tennis rubbers. That’s what we were taught at university. Let’s not get into percentages of rubber/caoutchouc and similar details now…
So, the price is initially tied to only one thing, and that’s consumer perception. Later it adjusts based on supply and demand, and we’ll see that in the upcoming period.
Zyre is simply marketed as a new ground-breaking, disruptive innovation, while in reality that concept has existed for a long time. But this is Butterfly’s implementation, and that changes things to some extent.
I’m glad there are people who like it and see it as an improvement. For me, it’s a clear example of overhype.

 

[NextLevel]

The simplest way to avoid going back and forth with someone is to let them have the final word. I am not against having multiple perspectives on a rubber and no one is erasing anyone posts by making points that show another side to the whole point of using this rubber. In fact, Inhave been on both sides of defending using this rubber. But an argument was made that brings up a point that I would like to discuss briefly before resting from the thread for a bit.

When Butterfly released Dignics, they made the price higher than Tenergy. People asked why and their response was that Dignics topsheet and sponge seemed to last longer in their tests and they wanted something dor the extra durability. Most people who use Dignics agree that it is a higher performance rubber for the plastic ball and that it is more durable than Tenergy. Now again, there is no argument from me that the marketing department logic could just be waffle to justify their pricing scheme and sucker the customers into a perception of value that is completely unfounded and contrary to what expertson technology and durability learned in university. But I bring this up to make the point that this is not something Butterfly had claimed for just this rubber, it is an argument in line with what they have claimed for prior rubbers.

And it seems that many people who could save money by using Tenergy rubbers which perform pretry well are using Dignics. Is it because Dignics performs better or because Dignics lasts shorter?

One reason I still try to master Zyre is that I like using rubbers for a long time and I hate changing. And so far, I have been happy with the performance and wear and tear I have gotten. I am not as concerned about whether it is new or existing tech. I don't boost and I suspect if I did, I would probably be using commercial Hurricane.

 

[merlin el mago]

Yes I agree, Zyre-03 doesn't need booster, I don't like the hassle to boost but is worst the QC of DHS Hurricane 3 I never know if it's a bad or good rubber is the same if I buy National or Provincial...that's t'he real reason to use Zyre-03.

NL don't waste your time and your money buying H3 and booster.