Butterfly Zyre 03

[FH_Project]

So what is the current verdict on 2.5 vs 2.7 sponge thickness for non-pro players? 2.7 best for FH and 2.5 better for BH or 2.5 better for both BH/FH?

I have only tried Zyre 2.5 on FH(on a Visc SALC) for a couple of minutes and it definitely felt quite different to any other butterfly rubber I have tried. Closest comparable rubber for me would probably be D05 but since I only tried it on FH for a couple of minutes, mainly looping, I am not sure how correct my observations were.

It was way too quick on my Viscaria and Timo Boll Alc. It was even not possible to sweat during matches in compared to the matches I play with normal setups. I found it boring to do winner on one shot, the three misses. At my level, table tennis rallies are rarely at that tempo. So when opponent pushes, scoops back with weird technique, super old rubber, weird pips etc., ball comes back with million different variations, at those circumstances you are going to beg for slower setup.

I believe this rubber on outer carbon is just for bang-bang game.

It is less springy with short balls on outer carbon than on inner carbon blade. I guess, the best inner carbon experience with this rubber I had was on Innerforce ALC.S. I had enough dwell time to play difficult shots where I had to react fast.

Andro Treiber FI felt too soft and springy with less spin.
Hurricane Long 5 was too springy and quick with less spin.

Virtuoso+ was safest I found. It requires using more force to activate rubber, maybe because of softer structure than carbon blades. The annoying part was high arc. After learning using sponge more, it became less problem, but still exists. Because it requires to close the racket angle too much, I felt way less need for power-from-the-ground. Which was kinda annoying, after playing many years with tacky rubbers.

 

[Wrighty67]

It was way too quick on my Viscaria and Timo Boll Alc. It was even not possible to sweat during matches in compared to the matches I play with normal setups. I found it boring to do winner on one shot, the three misses. At my level, table tennis rallies are rarely at that tempo. So when opponent pushes, scoops back with weird technique, super old rubber, weird pips etc., ball comes back with million different variations, at those circumstances you are going to beg for slower setup.

I believe this rubber on outer carbon is just for bang-bang game.

It is less springy with short balls on outer carbon than on inner carbon blade. I guess, the best inner carbon experience with this rubber I had was on Innerforce ALC.S. I had enough dwell time to play difficult shots where I had to react fast.

Andro Treiber FI felt too soft and springy with less spin.
Hurricane Long 5 was too springy and quick with less spin.

Virtuoso+ was safest I found. It requires using more force to activate rubber, maybe because of softer structure than carbon blades. The annoying part was high arc. After learning using sponge more, it became less problem, but still exists. Because it requires to close the racket angle too much, I felt way less need for power-from-the-ground. Which was kinda annoying, after playing many years with tacky rubbers.

For what it's worth my experience has been different - I play it currently and have done for 2.5 months on my Viscaria and also on a FZD ALC (2.7FH/2.5BH) and I find it to be fairly controllable in all areas - I would not liken it to something like T05 that I could never control under pressure and was way to reactive. To me the harder sponge gives Zyre a much more balanced and controlled feel, whilst being fast when I apply power to a stroke.

That being said I would probably say I still prefer the slightly tacky and slower feel of D09C on my BH, but for FH Zyre is tough to beat for me (probably H3 being my closest option)

 

[vvk1]

My clubmate who's one of the better players in the top local league division has switched from D05 FH/BH to Zyre03 FH/BH about 3 weeks ago. He's a two-winged looper. 3 practice sessions and a tournament after, he says it's bit harder to use at the table/in short game due to the rubber being more lively than D05, however he really prefers Zyre03 over D05, mainly because of the extra speed and spin away from the table.

Lol, he's now saying zyre03 is too fast, D05 was spinnier after all and contemplating going back.

 

[NextLevel]

Lol, he's now saying zyre03 is too fast, D05 was spinnier after all and contemplating going back.

It is the real Jekyll and Hyde rubber. Seriously. I am close to giving up my Viscaria SALC experiment. I will try a couple od all wood ones and *maybe* a Harimoto one. But for me it is easier to do what I do with other rubbers the problem is that seductive Zyre drive that happens once in a blue moon.

 

[merlin el mago]

When you engage Zyre-03 well a power topspin is really spectacular and nobody come back the ball to your side of the table, isn't only speed it's also the fast topspin generated that one can see at the world.

 

[vvk1]

It is the real Jekyll and Hyde rubber. Seriously. I am close to giving up my Viscaria SALC experiment. I will try a couple od all wood ones and *maybe* a Harimoto one. But for me it is easier to do what I do with other rubbers the problem is that seductive Zyre drive that happens once in a blue moon.

I played only one other player using Zyre03. He's a much better player than I am. It was his first session with Zyre03. Don't recall the last time my opponent had to look at his rubber every other shot he made in disbelief - because every other shot went into the net or off the table and the ones that made it across were very high quality ... So, yeah, the real J&H rubber.

 

[merlin el mago]

My point of view isn't a J&H rubber, are we that are J&H not reaching the top level performance that rubber requires to shine.

 

[NextLevel]

My point of view isn't a J&H rubber, are we that are J&H not reaching the top level performance that rubber requires to shine.

You are 100% correct. I am just trying to be funny.

 

[NextLevel]

I played only one other player using Zyre03. He's a much better player than I am. It was his first session with Zyre03. Don't recall the last time my opponent had to look at his rubber every other shot he made in disbelief - because every other shot went into the net or off the table and the ones that made it across were very high quality ... So, yeah, the real J&H rubber.

Other than playing level you could be describing me lol

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

A little insight Gozo obtained yesterday for sharing.

Context:
Yesterday during TT session, a fellow clubby ( Mr. C ) tried G's Zyre03 fh rubber ( 2.5mm ). He is a chinese tacky rubber fh user. This is what happened.

• Mr. C overshoots.
• Mr. C has to lightly drive only or else every ball goes long everytime.
• Mr. C says, Zyre03 is too bouncy for him and is uncontrollable.

Gozo does not have this problem. In fact I love it, it is like playing a rubber with MX-P trampoline power + T05 crispiness feeling.

 

[Oliverpool]

It is the real Jekyll and Hyde rubber. Seriously. I am close to giving up my Viscaria SALC experiment. I will try a couple od all wood ones and *maybe* a Harimoto one. But for me it is easier to do what I do with other rubbers the problem is that seductive Zyre drive that happens once in a blue moon.

you really have to try it on a pure wood blade. I was using it on my Timo Boll ALC and like you say, some days its the best, like totally focus and on form and you move correctly to ever ball. On other days, man I probably struggle even against players where I usually do not have a issue playing against. And I am using the 2.5mm version. But after I switch to a Cybershape Wood, it totally different, that extra control/dwell has made this much more consistent rubber to play with. Yes you lose some speed even with a 2.5mm version, but it is still fast enough to one shot loop kill when the right ball comes along. The spin to speed ratio also further improves compared to a carbon blade.

 

[NextLevel]

you really have to try it on a pure wood blade. I was using it on my Timo Boll ALC and like you say, some days its the best, like totally focus and on form and you move correctly to ever ball. On other days, man I probably struggle even against players where I usually do not have a issue playing against. And I am using the 2.5mm version. But after I switch to a Cybershape Wood, it totally different, that extra control/dwell has made this much more consistent rubber to play with. Yes you lose some speed even with a 2.5mm version, but it is still fast enough to one shot loop kill when the right ball comes along. The spin to speed ratio also further improves compared to a carbon blade.

The one time I did try it on an all wood blades, I beat my opponent the worst i havw ever beaten him. The problem was that when I practiced with it in my coach, I couldn't generate qualiry consistently in certain rallies. But I will try it again on an all wood blade for sure, I am way from home for a bit but when I get back I intend to try it on a Bernadette Szocs and maybe a Hadraw VR ( I already tried it on a Hadraw VK). Also a Mazunov.

So i hear you. I am just engaging in my overall EJ and being experimental. If I decide to stick to yhe rubber i want to see how far I can push it.

 

[Tembel]

I had my first try with Spinsight yesterday. Only a quick test, and I only meassured spin on FH loops. Unfortunately I could not try the Zyre rubber, but only Stiga Helix Plat M and Dignics09C. Really curious to see the results with Zyre as well.

A bit off topic since this is a Zyre thread, but with my technique I averaged 120+ RPS with the Helix and 130+ RPS with the 09C. It is going to be interesting to see where the Zyre03 lands.

 

[zeio]

I think you meant RPS. 120+ RPM is a no-spin ball.

 

[Tembel]

I think you meant RPS. 120+ RPM is a no-spin ball.

Yeah, you are right, I mean RPS

 

[cytivrat]

I didn't touch Butterfly rubbers for 15 years, but finally I tried Zyre 03 today for the first time for 1 hour, mostly multiball and 3 sets at the end. Obviously, it is too early to make final conclusions, but I can't wait 3-6 month before writing about it here

Setup: Viscaria SALC, Zyre 03 on FH, previous rubber Tibhar Hybrid K3 Pro.
It must be a little bit lighter than k3 pro, maybe ~2grams, but didn't weight it, just was easier to engage wrist than usually.

Speed - I didn't feel it being extremely fast, maybe it needs some time to soften a little bit to get more speed. Somewhere close to K3 Pro when it is new, maybe a little bit faster, but maybe not. Definitely easier to get like 60-70% of max speed of it, but top end speed difference is not big. I believe that top end speed must be higher, just I cannot get it out of it maybe due to 2 weeks pause in trainings before trying this rubber, maybe due to not being a pro player.

Trajectory - Butterfly said that it is higher than dignics (don't remember which one), but it wasn't high for me, flatter and longer compared to K3 Pro, but again not much. And weird thing that when looping against backspin I always felt that ball must hit the net, but somehow it was getting over it and it was not once or twice, it was almost every time.

As everyone says looping is quite easy and especially counter looping is extremely easy. Noticeably more controllable than with K3 Pro. K3 Pro was very good in this aspect for me, but Zyre is even better. Could contact the ball earlier and it is easier to get more speed on counter loops than it was with K3 Pro, probably reusing opponents energy better. But attempts to produce less speed more spin kind of loops was worse than K3. Maybe just need some time to adjust.
Short game is good, it wasn't hard to leave the ball short, quite controllable, however read below regarding spin.

Spin and feel - in short - I don't know. I completely don't understand the feedback it provides. It feels like I play with a thick and hollow racket that doesn't produce spin at all. But sometimes my opponent made mistakes due to spin, and sound of ball contact with net and surrounds that were around the playing area almost always indicated that there is a good amount of spin (after loops). So I'm not sure whether serves or short pushes had spin or not, my opponent didn't kill me after those, so maybe there was some. I don't understand how can I make adjustments to my strokes to get better result (I need SpinSight ), I don't understand whether serve or short push has spin and I can be calm or it was bad attempt to produce underspin ball and I have to switch to panic mode and make a couple of steps away from the table and get ready to be killed, and then to make adjustment in the future. That's why I don't really understand how can I improve with it over time. Maybe I will get used to it.

As a conclusion, if I could buy a new K3 Pro every month, I would stick to it (obviously, I don't have to adjust to it). On the other hand if Zyre 03 keeps its properties for like 3+ month without significant change and being playable for at least 7-8 month, than I'll have switch to it just to have more stable rubber over time

Part 2. I had a tournament tonight. It is interesting, but I played exactly as I must. In 95% of tournaments I lose to someone weaker than me,it is like some weird habit, I just must do it. In 10% I win against somebody I shouldn't. But I almost never play exactly as I'm supposed to.

Rubber doesn't fill empty anymore, though still weird. I don't trust it and played with backhand more. And those rallies involving Zyre ended up rather quickly: if I'm performing first loop, then in most cases it lands in the net, but if I somehow survive this first loop or my opponent makes his first attack to my fh, then I mostly kill my opponent in 1-2 loops after it. This saved me a lot of energy and I was significantly more active at the end.
Blocks active and more passive close and away from the table were great, very stable and controllable.
I like how it behaves when playing against pips - I almost didn't notice that my opponents had them. I like how I could hit those balls when it goes high and half-long after pips usually with high underpin which is hard to estimate and choose a good angle, however zyre does everything by itself, was very happy with win rate on those balls. But again struggling with the first fh loop
Made some mistakes at first when looping away from the table, all my reflexes and experience with other rubbers said that hand must go up, but in case of zyre ball also goes up and flies way too far away from the table. Had to adjust to more direct strokes.
Fh flick is far from being my best stroke, so I use it rather rarely. And zyre made it more difficult to me. But if I made one, then it causes way more problems to my opponents than before

So now beside finding out its durability, I need to solve first loop problem by either giving my opponents long balls to their fh and wait for counter, or by learning how can I do safer version of loop (I need some arc on weaker shots). The rest is ok so far.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Spoiler: The power of FH Zyre03

Spoiler: All deZyre fulfilled!

 

[IB66]

Part 2. I had a tournament tonight. It is interesting, but I played exactly as I must. In 95% of tournaments I lose to someone weaker than me,it is like some weird habit, I just must do it. In 10% I win against somebody I shouldn't. But I almost never play exactly as I'm supposed to.

Rubber doesn't fill empty anymore, though still weird. I don't trust it and played with backhand more. And those rallies involving Zyre ended up rather quickly: if I'm performing first loop, then in most cases it lands in the net, but if I somehow survive this first loop or my opponent makes his first attack to my fh, then I mostly kill my opponent in 1-2 loops after it. This saved me a lot of energy and I was significantly more active at the end.
Blocks active and more passive close and away from the table were great, very stable and controllable.
I like how it behaves when playing against pips - I almost didn't notice that my opponents had them. I like how I could hit those balls when it goes high and half-long after pips usually with high underpin which is hard to estimate and choose a good angle, however zyre does everything by itself, was very happy with win rate on those balls. But again struggling with the first fh loop
Made some mistakes at first when looping away from the table, all my reflexes and experience with other rubbers said that hand must go up, but in case of zyre ball also goes up and flies way too far away from the table. Had to adjust to more direct strokes.
Fh flick is far from being my best stroke, so I use it rather rarely. And zyre made it more difficult to me. But if I made one, then it causes way more problems to my opponents than before

So now beside finding out its durability, I need to solve first loop problem by either giving my opponents long balls to their fh and wait for counter, or by learning how can I do safer version of loop (I need some arc on weaker shots). The rest is ok so far.

One thing to do is ensure the rubber is clean, even more so than hybrids, I’ve found the ball slips off very easily when there is some dust on the surface. Sure, not really any different to other rubbers but i think this happens with less dust than other rubbers.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

In some chinese based TT tutorial ( example FANG BO's ) we are taught to add the use of finger and wrist for topspin.

The one advantage I noticed with Zyre03, the thick sponge and by that extension, the trampoline effect really assist the ball stroke.

Sometimes, I just muscle my way through with pure arm swing and surprise surprise, the ball goes over.

 

[TTLOVE]

Spoiler: The power of FH Zyre03

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Spoiler: All deZyre fulfilled!

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Bad decision for Sora, he's going to regret this choice