China Smash 2025

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Yes I have dealt with pro players. I am not an idiot. I got to watch them for fun and discuss with them about table tennis as much as I can. I know you manage them, but don't use your management of them as a substitute to replace the explanation I gave which was detailed and can be verified by anyone. No pro player who is managing his energy and fitness levels will tell you that the primary reason he lost a match was because he had to play 3 times in two days. When you find that player, since you know a lot of them, quote them here so we can learn from your expertise.

then you probably don't know them well enough to have deep discussions.
there are things people who won't talk sincerely to outsiders and its so bad that having a version for outsiders or even the media.

A certain level of trust is required for these kind of discussions, and you think I will just be here quoting them to suit your desire? you seriously don't understand what my job is, a lot of secrecy is required and you can choose to use the information, or choose to think you know more, I really don't mind. Having you disagreeing won't make any changes to my pro life.

PS, as I said few post ago, you can choose your thought process, I am not denying you that right, so really, don't need to argue

 

[NextLevel]

then you probably don't know them well enough to have deep discussions.
there are so things people who talk sincerely to outsiders
a certain level of trust is required for these kind of discussions, and you think I will just be here quoting them to suit your desire? you seriously don't understand what my job is.

again, you can choose your thought process, I am not denying you that right, so really, don't need to argue

Sure. Share your knowledge from the people you know and hide their names if you want to. Anyone can verify what I am saying even with common sense but since it is now about how much people talk to pros, go ahead. The people who really know pros will begin to suspect you aren't really as truthful as you are if you are saying their playing volume in a single tournament is often more tiring than the volume they play and train. You had one of your players play the Challengers event in Europe right? How many matches did they play? It was their first time playing that volume in that time according to you if I remember correctly. Why didn't they quit and go home?

Ultimately people just want to argue but they don't reflect on their true motives for posting and sometimes outright lying to win arguments. This is my last post on the subject, I have written too much for people who understand English and those who decide not to have their own motives that have nothing to do with the subject.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Sure. Share your knowledge from the people you know and hide their names if you want to. Anyone can verify what I am saying even with common sense but since it is now about how much people talk to pros, go ahead. The people who really know pros will being to suspect you arent really as truthful as you are if you are saying their playing volume in a single tournament is often more tiring than the volume they play and train. You had one of your players play thr Challengers event in Europe right? How many matches did they play? It was their first time playing that volume in that time according to you if I remember correctly. Why didn't they quit and go home?

Ultimately people just want to argue but they dont reflect on their true motives for posting and sometimes outright lying to win arguments. This is my last post on the subject, I have written too much for people who understand English and those who decide not to have their own motives that have nothing to do with the subject.

Nope
I saw a false statement and I gave my opinion
It is very simple, and I am not the one looking for an argument here

 

[piligrim]

The young shall grow, the old shall slow. I like Felix's and LSD's chances.

Xiang Peng also has chance. He improved a lot

 

[zeio]

Everyone gets tired. So the statement is meaningless. The point is wherher playing two matches in one day is something to consider when looking at a players performance. Is it okay to say that the final result between Felix and Wang didnt reflect their true levels since WCQ was playing triple crown and played seven games in semis? Why didn't the more tired Wang lose the finals?

Because CNT gets a decisive edge, as I'm always told (while ignoring the unfair edge JNT enjoys from the broadcast deal between ITTF/WTT and Tokyo TV).

This is why I always bring up Hirano, as she never whined even after losing left and right. She chose to take on the burden of playing WTT and T.League as the eldest member on the JNT and Kinoshita Abyell. There is a reason she is one of a few if not the only player in recent times to have skewered 3 CNT players on her way to the title (ATTC 2017 and WTT CT Zagreb 2023) in consecutive Olympic cycles (Tokyo 2020 and Paris 2024), where 4 of those 6 were core players. When it comes to WS (no WT), Hirano is still the last non-CNT player to have beaten SYS.

 

[zeio]

everyone gets tired
everyone saves energy to peak at different times
everyone recovery time is different.
everyone carries different niggles.
the variety is just so great, but no matter what your coach friend told you, they do get tired.

unless you have deal or dealt with pro players, please stop acting like you know it all
not sure why you keep wanting to type so much, you becoming like zeio

Stop weaponizing me in your ad hominem. It doesn't reflect well on your character. Like I've repeatedly said, I feel sorry for your students. BTW, fulfill the quest already, ball feeder.

 

[baotran]

One obvious observation after watching men's semis and the final.
WCQ seemed a totally different player between the semi and the final. One fatigued, uninspiring, slow and bored; One, the familiar invincible and inspiring with a little anger.
Felix,on the other hand, also seemed quite a different player between the semi and the final. One lightening fast, inspiring, adapting and consistent; One clueless, error prone and hopeless.
WCQ's stark contrast may be due to his long tough schedule(he played all three events and the one who played the most matches) and playing against an upcoming young teammate. The final performance has to do with playing a non-Chinese and the responsibility of keeping the trophy in China.
Felix's stark contrast is most likely to do with how WCQ played. As often mentioned, when WCQ is in so called unplayable form, no one in the world can do much against him.

Congrats to the the triple crown winner WCQ,who is clearly the best player for the last two years, by far.

Maybe there's a problem of approaching tactics. It's quite weird that Felix chose to play speed games and did not try to slow the game down or use heavy spin games like last time in The US. Maybe different coaches have different ways to set up tactics for him, and I feel that his coach in the US Smash might be better than Molin on this live game matters. Also the last time in US, Felix had some chances to receive Wang's serves in Men's Doubles event, so he was much more confidence than today's final.

 

[NextLevel]

if you think that calling out skirting the rules constitutes prejudice, i suggest you pick up a dictionary sometime. i mention the country because china has a track record of this behaviour.

also, its pretty ironic how much you go on about (your view of) appropriate behaviour but cant make that point in a civil way instead of the self important manner in which you chose lol.

So it turns out this was a member already banned who created a new account to continue his campaign of calumny.against his preferred targets. We do need new and more active moderators to avoid this nonsense.

 

[SFF_lib]

Maybe there's a problem of approaching tactics. It's quite weird that Felix chose to play speed games and did not try to slow the game down or use heavy spin games like last time in The US. Maybe different coaches have different ways to set up tactics for him, and I feel that his coach in the US Smash might be better than Molin on this live game matters. Also the last time in US, Felix had some chances to receive Wang's serves in Men's Doubles event, so he was much more confidence than today's final.

You are correct. If you keep hitting hard with the same pace, WCQ will destroy you with his power.

WCQ struggles more when you varies the pace.

Another thing is Felix gives too much to WCQ's BH side, his comfort zone. WCQ's wide fh side is his dead zone. Felix hardly hit that way.

 

[rpb23]

Its not easy to make improvements. He is probably working on stuff but it will take at least 6 months to 2 years, sometimes more, to manifest in matches as something he can hang his hat on. And this is not something that it is going to be easy to measure by watching him play someone like Lebrun whose backhand gives lots of forehand players fits (WCQ is the exception as a lefty). Hugo is likely the bigger target. Lebrun has a couple of underappreciated advantages when playing power players. While there is no one quite like WCQ, between his brother and the French national team, there is a lot of high quality training on that team. Even some of the lower rated players like Borassaud have special quality.

In fact watching the video again, Lin Shidong is clearly playing more forehands on many balls, it just that he misses enough of them that the result is not clearly being improved by them.

In fact, the two games(second and third games) he won, mostly with his forehand. Actually, forehand to forehand rally against Felix, LSD was ahead.
The first game, LSD was mainly posturing for his backhand but Felix repeatedly hit his forehand and got many easy shots as LSD was not ready to cover his forehand. After talking with his coach, LSD paid close attention to his forehand and actively looking for the forehand attack and counter attack. The close fourth game loss was mainly due to two silly errors at the end which was very uncharacteristic for him. The loss carried the negative effect on the following games when Felix started to attack his backhand which became vulnerable at this time.

Seems LSD can play strong side either on his forehand or preferred backhand, but not on both sides the same time. A big next project for him to work on.

 

[NextLevel]

In fact, the two games(second and third games) he won, mostly with his forehand. Actually, forehand to forehand rally against Felix, LSD was ahead.
The first game, LSD was mainly posturing for his backhand but Felix repeatedly hit his forehand and got many easy shots as LSD was not ready to cover his forehand. After talking with his coach, LSD paid close attention to his forehand and actively looking for the forehand attack and counter attack. The close fourth game loss was mainly due to two silly errors at the end which was very uncharacteristic for him. The loss carried the negative effect on the following games when Felix started to attack his backhand which became vulnerable at this time.

Seems LSD can play strong side either on his forehand or preferred backhand, but not on both sides the same time. A big next project for him to work on.

What you are describing is psychologically common when someone develops a weaker side. They can usually use it better in isolation than in combination on certain transitions. Over time the integration gets better. The problem is always the patience and the time scale. And of course in the case of Lin Shidong, the results.

 

[Rao01]

One obvious observation after watching men's semis and the final.
WCQ seemed a totally different player between the semi and the final. One fatigued, uninspiring, slow and bored; One, the familiar invincible and inspiring with a little anger.
Felix,on the other hand, also seemed quite a different player between the semi and the final. One lightening fast, inspiring, adapting and consistent; One clueless, error prone and hopeless.
WCQ's stark contrast may be due to his long tough schedule(he played all three events and the one who played the most matches) and playing against an upcoming young teammate. The final performance has to do with playing a non-Chinese and the responsibility of keeping the trophy in China.
Felix's stark contrast is most likely to do with how WCQ played. As often mentioned, when WCQ is in so called unplayable form, no one in the world can do much against him.

Congrats to the the triple crown winner WCQ,who is clearly the best player for the last two years, by far.

This is a very spot on observation. Something I was thinking about on similar lines as well. It almost felt like WCQ wanted to deliberately lose the SF against XP.

 

[Shine]

Very unlikely. If Felix has advantages first, he might win in 4-0 or 4-1, but if he can't take the upper hand in first two or three sets, very likely he will lose badly to Wang, just like Harimoto did.

No way in the world will Felix ever beat a normal Wang 4-0 or 4-1. Only if a heavy bandaged, drugged out, and stationary Wang is playing

 

[Shine]

I found WCQ very bleak and uninspired against XP. No pivots, no energy… he needs to bring a better energy for the final otherwise Felix will take it home

It's very obvious the guy is spent, and all he's repeated ad infiniteum after the WTTC, US Smash, CS Macao, and now in Beijing smash in the post match interviews is how he's relieved, and they were times he wanted to give up, but he kept fighting, today he mostly focused on winning quick points and giving Felix a rope to hang himself, none of the inspired fiery Wang, Felix has got work to do with the way he lost badly to a WCQ that's not firing on all cylinders imo.

 

[zeio]

WMY and WCQ answered questions post-match press conference. Pretty interesting.

WCQ was asked about the poor singles results in the past year after Paris 2024 and the high-intensity output throughout the year, saying how he chose to skip WTT CS Incheon and Europe Smash of his own volition after consultation with the coaching staff, which was very supportive of his decision and the current means of communication makes him very comfortable and satisfactory and the leaders and coaches respect his choices and suggestions and his overall condition is excellent currently, and for those mandatory competitions, you should try your best to remain positive and focused.

（有片）WTT中國大滿貫 | 王曼昱王楚欽賽後採訪合集
https://www.wenweipo.com/a/202510/05/AP68e2707be4b0e5355b5d1e2a.html

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王楚欽：我覺得現在的自己更積極、更健康

 

[joshmak10]

You are so in denial about your own behavior and hypocrisy that it's absolutely laughable.
You can't discern the difference between criticism and abuse, not because you're stupid but because it suits you and keeps your head in the sand.
But then again you're the kid who was leading the thread on objectifying the female players earlier this year so why would I be surprised.
You are an immature little kid.

iMmAtUrE lItTlE kID says the dude who always resorts to name calling whenever he doesn’t like what a random “kid” says on the forum 🥱

I will continue to criticize constructively, not abuse, who I want whenever I see a bad performance and you can hate it all you want, couldn’t give any less of a damn what you think, unlike you to me it seems.

I’m done talking to you. Have a good day, shall I use your favourite word, “idiot” 🥱🤡

 

[joshmak10]

Felix can be proud of his performance given he knocked out three Chinese players on the way to the final, against one of which he had to save match point. But I think Wang Chuqin played too well and the crowd must’ve played a small factor too. Now imagine if we see Felix vs WCQ in Montpellier, does it become as one sided as today’s final?

 

[zeio]

It's very obvious the guy is spent, and all he's repeated ad infiniteum after the WTTC, US Smash, CS Macao, and now in Beijing smash in the post match interviews is how he's relieved, and they were times he wanted to give up, but he kept fighting, today he mostly focused on winning quick points and giving Felix a rope to hang himself, none of the inspired fiery Wang, Felix has got work to do with the way he lost badly to a WCQ that's not firing on all cylinders imo.

I think it still came down to KK laxative. Very effective.

 

[baotran]

No way in the world will Felix ever beat a normal Wang 4-0 or 4-1. Only if a heavy bandaged, drugged out, and stationary Wang is playing

It was just like Harimoto got 3-0 lead against WCQ in Yokohama. As I have said, if WCQ played like the semi-finals, then the chances would have been there. However in the final he stayed closer to the table, hit the balls much more aggressive in order to keep each point very short, plus Felix served terribly long to invite Wang for the first attack and had bad serves received. These things combine to make a bagel. If he played more carefully, just like Harimoto had done, then who knows?

 

[zeio]

Felix can be proud of his performance given he knocked out three Chinese players on the way to the final, against one of which he had to save match point. But I think Wang Chuqin played too well and the crowd must’ve played a small factor too. Now imagine if we see Felix vs WCQ in Montpellier, does it become as one sided as today’s final?

The first thing F. Lebrun (WR7) wants is a good draw away from Duda (WR8), AJH (WR13), Franziska (#17), JWJ (WR21) and LSS (WR26).

Year

Event

Player A

Player B

Player X

Player Y

Sub-event

Stage

Round

Result

Games

Winner

Winner

Total: 9

2025

Europe Smash - Sweden 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

JANG Woojin (KOR)

MS

Main Draw

R64

2 - 3

11:6 11:9 7:11 10:12 10:12

JANG Woojin

2025

WTT Champions Yokohama 2025

AN Jaehyun (KOR)

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

MS

Main Draw

R16

3 - 2

3:11 11:4 5:11 11:9 14:12

AN Jaehyun

2025

United States Smash 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

WANG Chuqin (CHN)

MS

Main Draw

SemiFinal

3 - 4

9:11 11:5 6:11 11:7 10:12 11:9 9:11

WANG Chuqin

2025

WTT Star Contender Ljubljana 2025

CALDERANO Hugo (BRA)

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

MS

Main Draw

Final

4 - 2

12:10 15:13 11:13 8:11 11:9 11:6

CALDERANO Hugo

2025

ITTF World Table Tennis Championships Finals Doha 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

AN Jaehyun (KOR)

MS

Main Draw

R16

3 - 4

12:10 9:11 12:14 11:7 14:12 6:11 9:11

AN Jaehyun

2025

WTT Champions Incheon 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

LEE Sang Su (KOR)

MS

Main Draw

R32

2 - 3

11:5 8:11 6:11 12:10 9:11

LEE Sang Su

2025

WTT Champions Chongqing 2025

LIANG Jingkun (CHN)

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

MS

Main Draw

QuarterFinal

3 - 2

8:11 11:9 12:10 3:11 11:5

LIANG Jingkun

2025

Europe Top-16 Cup Montreux 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

FRANZISKA Patrick (GER)

MS

Main Draw

QuarterFinal

2 - 3

9:11 8:11 11:9 11:7 7:11

FRANZISKA Patrick

2025

Singapore Smash 2025

KAO Cheng-Jui (TPE)

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

MS

Main Draw

R32

3 - 2

4:11 11:9 9:11 12:10 11:9

KAO Cheng-Jui

Year

Event

Player A

Player B

Player X

Player Y

Sub-event

Stage

Round

Result

Games

Winner

Winner

Total: 22

2025

WTT Champions Yokohama 2025

JANG Woojin (KOR)

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

MS

Main Draw

R32

2 - 3

13:11 10:12 8:11 11:8 9:11

LEBRUN Felix

2025

United States Smash 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

BARDET Lilian (FRA)

MS

Main Draw

QuarterFinal

4 - 0

11:3 11:8 11:3 11:2

LEBRUN Felix

2025

United States Smash 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

DUDA Benedikt (GER)

MS

Main Draw

R16

3 - 2

11:2 11:9 10:12 6:11 11:8

LEBRUN Felix

2025

United States Smash 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

GAUZY Simon (FRA)

MS

Main Draw

R32

3 - 1

4:11 11:7 12:10 14:12

LEBRUN Felix

2025

United States Smash 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN)

MS

Main Draw

R64

3 - 2

9:11 11:8 11:5 4:11 11:8

LEBRUN Felix

2025

WTT Star Contender Ljubljana 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

JORGIC Darko (SLO)

MS

Main Draw

SemiFinal

3 - 1

11:8 3:11 11:5 11:6

LEBRUN Felix

2025

WTT Star Contender Ljubljana 2025

MATSUSHIMA Sora (JPN)

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

MS

Main Draw

QuarterFinal

1 - 3

6:11 11:6 9:11 9:11

LEBRUN Felix

2025

WTT Star Contender Ljubljana 2025

CHEN Yuanyu (CHN)

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

MS

Main Draw

R16

1 - 3

11:5 9:11 6:11 1:11

LEBRUN Felix

2025

WTT Star Contender Ljubljana 2025

CHAN Baldwin (HKG)

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

MS

Main Draw

R32

0 - 3

5:11 1:11 7:11

LEBRUN Felix

2025

ITTF World Table Tennis Championships Finals Doha 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

OH Junsung (KOR)

MS

Main Draw

R32

4 - 2

11:5 9:11 9:11 11:4 11:9 11:5

LEBRUN Felix

2025

ITTF World Table Tennis Championships Finals Doha 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

SHAH Manush (IND)

MS

Main Draw

R64

4 - 0

11:5 11:6 11:6 11:9

LEBRUN Felix

2025

ITTF World Table Tennis Championships Finals Doha 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

PISTEJ Lubomir (SVK)

MS

Main Draw

R128

4 - 0

11:7 11:5 11:9 11:8

LEBRUN Felix

2025

WTT Contender Tunis 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

LIND Anders (DEN)

MS

Main Draw

Final

4 - 0

11:6 12:10 11:9 11:9

LEBRUN Felix

2025

WTT Contender Tunis 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

SHINOZUKA Hiroto (JPN)

MS

Main Draw

SemiFinal

3 - 1

12:10 11:7 7:11 11:6

LEBRUN Felix

2025

WTT Contender Tunis 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

OVTCHAROV Dimitrij (GER)

MS

Main Draw

QuarterFinal

3 - 0

11:4 14:12 11:1

LEBRUN Felix

2025

WTT Contender Tunis 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

MENGEL Steffen (GER)

MS

Main Draw

R16

3 - 0

11:6 11:4 11:7

LEBRUN Felix

2025

WTT Contender Tunis 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

ELBEIALI Mohamed (EGY)

MS

Main Draw

R32

3 - 0

11:6 11:7 11:4

LEBRUN Felix

2025

ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup Macao 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

LIND Anders (DEN)

MS

Qualification

3 - 1

11:6 6:11 15:13 11:7

LEBRUN Felix

2025

WTT Champions Chongqing 2025

UDA Yukiya (JPN)

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

MS

Main Draw

R16

0 - 3

4:11 5:11 9:11

LEBRUN Felix

2025

WTT Champions Chongqing 2025

JHA Kanak (USA)

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

MS

Main Draw

R32

0 - 3

3:11 5:11 6:11

LEBRUN Felix

2025

Europe Top-16 Cup Montreux 2025

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

DUDA Benedikt (GER)

MS

Main Draw

R16

3 - 2

6:11 11:6 15:17 11:7 11:9

LEBRUN Felix

2025

Singapore Smash 2025

ABDELAZIZ Youssef (EGY)

LEBRUN Felix (FRA)

MS

Main Draw

R64

0 - 3

10:12 15:17 5:11

LEBRUN Felix