Comparing Glayzer 09c and H3 Neo

[Tyce]

I've been using H3 neo 39d for a while now, and it really did a lot for me to improve my FH technique. I learned to discern opening loops from killshots and swapped quite some lazy or bad FH habits to better ones.
Now I've come to the point where unboosted or lightly boosted H3 just doesn't give me the base speed I like. I'm missing my middle gear, those well placed 50-60% power shots, and I feel I could do better with a little bit more pop.
My match blade is a Korbel Japan, and I'm wondering if Glayzer 09c would give me that small step up in base speed without being such a big change as Fastarc G1 would be.

For those who have experience with both: does Glayzer 09c actually have a bit more mid-end and base speed when it's on a wood blade? Or does it really need a bit more backing from a carbon blade to show its strength?

I'm not considering Dignics at this point. It's too expensive for something I'm really not sure about. My considerations are basically Fastarc or G09c, and mayyybe swapping my Korbel to my Yinhe Pro 01. But if I'm honest I don't want to swap blades and rubbers

 

[latej]

I'm missing my middle gear, those well placed 50-60% power shots, and I feel I could do better with a little bit more pop.
My match blade is a Korbel Japan, and I'm wondering if Glayzer 09c would give me that small step up in base speed without being such a big change as Fastarc G1 would be.

Yes, there it will give, as you say, a bit more pop. The more power you use, the more you feel that G09C is not really fast, and gets slower than D09C. But it is easier to use... I don't regret trying D09C, but if I knew, I'd choose G09C even knowing in full power shots its slower...

Personally I miss feeling of chinnese sponge and will return back from my short FH escapade ;-) Cheers.

 

[piligrim]

Yes, there it will give, as you say, a bit more pop. The more power you use, the more you feel that G09C is not really fast, and gets slower than D09C. But it is easier to use... I don't regret trying D09C, but if I knew, I'd choose G09C even knowing in full power shots its slower...

Personally I miss feeling of chinnese sponge and will return back from my short FH escapade ;-) Cheers.

Ca you compare G09C to LAC?

 

[latej]

Ca you compare G09C to LAC?

Sorry, never had LAC. I like ESN 47 on the BH, and chinesse cca H40-H41 on the FH. LAC is not in those islands, so I was never tempted to try...

 

[Lazer]

I've been using H3 neo 39d for a while now, and it really did a lot for me to improve my FH technique. I learned to discern opening loops from killshots and swapped quite some lazy or bad FH habits to better ones.
Now I've come to the point where unboosted or lightly boosted H3 just doesn't give me the base speed I like. I'm missing my middle gear, those well placed 50-60% power shots, and I feel I could do better with a little bit more pop.
My match blade is a Korbel Japan, and I'm wondering if Glayzer 09c would give me that small step up in base speed without being such a big change as Fastarc G1 would be.

For those who have experience with both: does Glayzer 09c actually have a bit more mid-end and base speed when it's on a wood blade? Or does it really need a bit more backing from a carbon blade to show its strength?

I'm not considering Dignics at this point. It's too expensive for something I'm really not sure about. My considerations are basically Fastarc or G09c, and mayyybe swapping my Korbel to my Yinhe Pro 01. But if I'm honest I don't want to swap blades and rubbers

H3 has the speed if you hit hard and G09C feels more dead to me. G09C has nowhere near the spin capability of H3.
I am talking about legacy H3 an not H3N, but I don’t remember it to be much difference. For me H3 gets the top score…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Tyce]

H3 has the speed if you hit hard and G09C feels more dead to me. G09C has nowhere near the spin capability of H3.
I am talking about legacy H3 an not H3N, but I don’t remember it to be much difference. For me H3 gets the top score…

Cheers
L-zr

When you say speed, do you mean flat hit, or topspin (and chop)?
Because I definitely agree that it's capable of giant fast hard topspins, but it's not quite fit for perpendicular contact.

Same question about the dead feeling, does that pertain to flat hits or more to spin contact?

As for H3 vs H3N, I think once you start boosting the difference will be minimal.

 

[Lazer]

When you say speed, do you mean flat hit, or topspin (and chop)?
Because I definitely agree that it's capable of giant fast hard topspins, but it's not quite fit for perpendicular contact.

Same question about the dead feeling, does that pertain to flat hits or more to spin contact?

As for H3 vs H3N, I think once you start boosting the difference will be minimal.

If a blade is fast it will be fast in all categories. No such blade that is fast only for flat hits…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Tyce]

If a blade is fast it will be fast in all categories. No such blade that is fast only for flat hits…

Cheers
L-zr

Rubber, not blade

But eh, short pips?

Anyway, I'm just trying to understand what it means when you say G09c feels a little dead.
Does it absorb too much energy on impact? Or does the topsheet itself feel dead like it's worn?

I don't really feel like boosting Glayzer if it's a dead ish sponge, if I do that I might as well get me a better booster and H3 and continue on that path. Could drop to 38 degrees to see if that makes the middle range more accessible to me.

 

[Zezima]

Rubber, not blade

But eh, short pips?

Anyway, I'm just trying to understand what it means when you say G09c feels a little dead.
Does it absorb too much energy on impact? Or does the topsheet itself feel dead like it's worn?

I don't really feel like boosting Glayzer if it's a dead ish sponge, if I do that I might as well get me a better booster and H3 and continue on that path. Could drop to 38 degrees to see if that makes the middle range more accessible to me.

I just tried my brothers Rakza Z. I know its not the same as h3 but as a sticky rubber I could compare it to my d09c and its just a bit slower and less spin being able to do the same shots with different speed.

 

[Lazer]

Rubber, not blade

But eh, short pips?

Anyway, I'm just trying to understand what it means when you say G09c feels a little dead.
Does it absorb too much energy on impact? Or does the topsheet itself feel dead like it's worn?

I don't really feel like boosting Glayzer if it's a dead ish sponge, if I do that I might as well get me a better booster and H3 and continue on that path. Could drop to 38 degrees to see if that makes the middle range more accessible to me.

Oops, I came from a thread about blades….

Yes can get more speed with G09C. It feels less responsive. My boosted H3 feels more reactive, but it’s real hard to get the highest speed from but it is possible. That’s a little easier with G09C but spin wise there is no contest.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Topspinslinger]

For backhand I like Glayzer and G09c, I feel it is a good upgrade from Rozena in all aspects.

For forehand G09c It isn't too much comparable to H3, but you'll get more out of the 50/60% shots. It is just easier to use I.m.o.
I also like D09c, It is significantly better during rallies then H3 as I don't force power and get the ball on which in turn reduces errors.

LAC is great, I'll try boosting it with Falco to see what it does. LAC truly gives 80% of D09C and that is AMAZING for less then €20

 

[GOAT 🐐]

For intermediate level players, I highly recommend G09c or Rakza Z. Ur prob switching form H3 because u can’t hit through it and can’t gain enough baseline speed. These two rubbers will help you with that. since you can hit through these rubbers you’ll still get higher quality shot than h3

 

[Tyce]

For intermediate level players, I highly recommend G09c or Rakza Z. Ur prob switching form H3 because u can’t hit through it and can’t gain enough baseline speed. These two rubbers will help you with that. since you can hit through these rubbers you’ll still get higher quality shot than h3

You're probably right, I can hit through and generate that lovely sound only in perfect conditions (robot practice) or on very powerful shots.
I primarily have an arm swing, even if I'm working on body power that might take years to get to a dependable point. And with the current gear I can maybe access the right cracking power 5-10% of the time in matches.

I'll choose G09c over Rakza Z, because I didn't enjoy my experience with Rakza 7. Plus, I've never played Butterfly rubber before so I'm curious

 

[Egon]

Ca you compare G09C to LAC?

I can. I have both. Differences:

1. Weight. My LAС weighs 54 grams when cut - this is a very heavy rubber, which limits the scope of its application for me, while the G09C weighs only 47 grams, which allows it to be used on heavy blades and also with heavy rubber for the backhand.

2. Throw angle - the G09C has a much higher angle. This is both a plus and a minus at the same time. The plus is that it is easier to start an attack against backspin, the minus is that it simplifies the opponent's reception in the game during exchanges from the second or third zone.

3. Non-linearity. LAC is more non-linear and in this property resembles H3 - short game is short, topspin is fast. In this regard, the G09C behaves more linearly - short game is faster, but the final speed during a power game is lower.

4. Price - LAC is significantly cheaper.

5. Durability - G09C is more durable.

Conclusions.
G09S is a more versatile light rubber that can balance a heavy and fast blade.

LAC is a very fun cheat heavy rubber with dynamic sponge, which can be played without a booster.