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do you vary with your serve or is it almost the same each time?
Oh, the serve is definitely varied, don't be fooled that it looks superficially similar in spin or placement. If I am repeating the same serve, it is not because i am not varying out of laziness, it is because i find the pattern I am getting out of it to be favorable enough for me to continue it. But at a critical point, you will definitely get a subtle but significant variation unless I am confident that the patterns established are more rewarding than any variation.
 
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Trying to see whether i can play out of a consistently wider and lower stance at the recommendation of my coach. While being taller makes me more mobile, it reduces my shot quality. We did some footwork drills and the conclusion was that my reach, especially on the backhand side is good enough to compensate for not being in perfect position as long as I am relatively wide and low. The goal is to not try to increase speed but to try to play consistently out of wide stances and build the strength to facilitate that.
 
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Trying to see whether i can play out of a consistently wider and lower stance at the recommendation of my coach. While being taller makes me more mobile, it reduces my shot quality. We did some footwork drills and the conclusion was that my reach, especially on the backhand side is good enough to compensate for not being in perfect position as long as I am relatively wide and low. The goal is to not try to increase speed but to try to play consistently out of wide stances and build the strength to facilitate that.
I'm trying to change my stance as well, but I have a different issue. My legs are bent quite low, kind of like FZD, but I don't tend to bend at my lumbar spin, so my upper body stays upright. I'm improving progressively with my hip rotation and activation sequence, but each thing I add changes the timing a bit, so I've sort of had to add one thing at a time or else things mess up and I don't know what exactly went wrong.

This whole process is taking longer than I expected, but I'm pretty determined to see it through and I can feel tangible progress with each practice session. I was hoping to finish the complete rework of my FH technique in 2 months, but it's looking like it'll take 3. I guess all these years of bad habits can't be broken down so easily!
 
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I'm trying to change my stance as well, but I have a different issue. My legs are bent quite low, kind of like FZD, but I don't tend to bend at my lumbar spin, so my upper body stays upright. I'm improving progressively with my hip rotation and activation sequence, but each thing I add changes the timing a bit, so I've sort of had to add one thing at a time or else things mess up and I don't know what exactly went wrong.

This whole process is taking longer than I expected, but I'm pretty determined to see it through and I can feel tangible progress with each practice session. I was hoping to finish the complete rework of my FH technique in 2 months, but it's looking like it'll take 3. I guess all these years of bad habits can't be broken down so easily!
Try to find your best game as early and as young as you can, it gets harder when you hit 40 just because you know you are better but all those hormones don't respond to stimuli they way they optimally used to with every decade of age.
 
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played a round robin tournament in a TT school today.
I still make the same stupid mistakes damn it. It was a bit cold and i didn't bring a sports jacket. I was playing first 3 out of 4 matches after refereeing - sometimes 2 matches in a row - and my body was cold. of course i played crap in game 1 in all those 3 matches.

1st match I play a young teen, after losing G1 , i won convincingly G2 with a large margin but a lot of nets and edges. in G3 and G4 i wasn't so lucky and outplayed. defeat 1-3

2nd match i play a young adult, a chopper with short pips on BH. im out of rhythm and miss a lot, looks like I haven't played choppers in my life. Only after losing 2 first games i remember i played this guy and he beat me already 0-3 easily. I learnt nothing. the reason is i received too weakly his BH serve especially to my FH. And i rushed and wanted to attack strong 3rd balls whereas he was very weak against slow but very spinny topspin to his FH. I did play such balls but not enough of them, being too impatient and panicking. 0-3 didn't even get to 5. I need to pretend it never happened and forget this match again. Also, i missed many smashes where normally i'm rather good at. I think its because of his unusual short pips rubber, i underestimate the difficulty of those balls. Im more used to LP choppers.

3rd match, i play a 8? 10? year old girl. But i refereed her and was quite impressed by how good she was at her age. very good tomahawk serve, very good BH with short pips, able to take the ball early, and attack everything, and FH flat and not so powerful but fast timing. Very promising. i thought id lose, especially G1 i was outplayed but i then adapted to her serves and started moving much better, and my fighting spirit came back. I won G2 G3 and she started crying. Despite her crying at beginning of G4, she did win this game. But i stayed calm and just focused on serve and getting back quickly in position. I could see she had weakness against very spinny balls, especially long backspin to her FH but i didn't manage to serve well with heavy backspin consistently. Still I managed to close the match 11-8 as she started crying again when things became tight. I felt a bit sorry for the girl for tchooing but if i didn't i would sure have lost.

4th match i played another young teen, he was a bit less strong than the 1st guy. and we warmed up together. i knew he would be very difficult for me to beat especially i had troubles against his serve but fortunately having practiced with him i got used a little bit. He's tchoooing louder and longer than Harimoto but I'm loud as well and quickly let him know.

for once i got a good start in this match. and i'm receiving much better than in practice. I'm playing with less pressure since i won the little girl also. but its tight 9-9 I'm serving and i still can't believe i miss those 2 serves !!! when did that last happen to me ? crap !!!

in G2 and G3 i manage to increase my level and get into the zone. We play some really good TT with long rallies. I play fearlessly and manage to attack many 3rd balls. 2-1 for me. I have a 4-0 lead in G4, but suddenly something must have happened, a point lost stupidly. missed serve or easy mistake, and its only downhill from there. I start to lose confidence , then get tense, and i guess you know the end of the story. 6-11 from 4-0 then 7-11 in G5. disappointing result, I don't think he played suddenly better or changed something, Its more me suddenly collapsing and him able to keep the same good level. My energy drink was already over after G1, and I think i badly needed another boost.

last week i had a good day where i won all 5 matches in another RR tournament. but players today were better I think.
Today I feel I wasn't able to put enough ball quality except in the 2 games won in last match. too tense, and a venue that i didn't know. tables were a bit slower than where i usually play and i didn't adapt well to that. and i didn't move that well.
 
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Try to find your best game as early and as young as you can, it gets harder when you hit 40 just because you know you are better but all those hormones don't respond to stimuli they way they optimally used to with every decade of age.
HAHAHAHAHHAHHHHAAAAHHHHH!!!!

True, what NL wrote, but also not absolute. (If one is beginning the sport as an adult learner.

Der_Echte his damn self played the highest level of his TT career at hiz mid 50s weighing 110+ kg 250+ lbs for a midget puny sized height relative to Next Level.

I think even now at near 60 I move to my wide FH and wide BH better than ever.

Maybe I am proof that I am a box of rocks and anything I learn requires 10+ years to take any effect.

I have seen, met, and played a few times with @dingyibvs and while I agree with NL in general, @dingyibvs is gunna peak in 5-10 years and play that way a decade plus before he deteriorates... and even then he gunna be TT wise and have many ways to adjust for that and still play well.
 
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HAHAHAHAHHAHHHHAAAAHHHHH!!!!

True, what NL wrote, but also not absolute. (If one is beginning the sport as an adult learner.

Der_Echte his damn self played the highest level of his TT career at hiz mid 50s weighing 110+ kg 250+ lbs for a midget puny sized height relative to Next Level.

I think even now at near 60 I move to my wide FH and wide BH better than ever.

Maybe I am proof that I am a box of rocks and anything I learn requires 10+ years to take any effect.

I have seen, met, and played a few times with @dingyibvs and while I agree with NL in general, @dingyibvs is gunna peak in 5-10 years and play that way a decade plus before he deteriorates... and even then he gunna be TT wise and have many ways to adjust for that and still play well.
I am thinking in terms of breaking 2200, possibly 2300. It takes a lot of physicality to build a base to play at the 2200 level. If you are thinking interferes terms of 2000, sure, that is accessible to quite a few people on their 40s for sure.
 
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HAHAHAHAHHAHHHHAAAAHHHHH!!!!

True, what NL wrote, but also not absolute. (If one is beginning the sport as an adult learner.

Der_Echte his damn self played the highest level of his TT career at hiz mid 50s weighing 110+ kg 250+ lbs for a midget puny sized height relative to Next Level.

I think even now at near 60 I move to my wide FH and wide BH better than ever.

Maybe I am proof that I am a box of rocks and anything I learn requires 10+ years to take any effect.

I have seen, met, and played a few times with @dingyibvs and while I agree with NL in general, @dingyibvs is gunna peak in 5-10 years and play that way a decade plus before he deteriorates... and even then he gunna be TT wise and have many ways to adjust for that and still play well.
Oh I know I've got plenty of time to play better, but I'm running short on time to look better! Right now, the primary objective is to warm up in the club decked out in my CNT gear and have the 1200 guy next to me wondering "hey, did that dude play on the CNT?" 😂 I was talking to my former semi-pro cousin while I was in China in Oct, he told me that at my age I shouldn't worry about my form. I was like, you clearly don't know where my priorities are, form over substance baby! 🤭
 
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Strange but true, despite me being a Butterfly fanboi and cheering on Tenergy and its ilk, I find myself using Xiom Vega Europe the most. Come this 12.12. I am already into my fourth piece of Xiom Vega Europe. This rubber suits my spin based looping style that I endeavour to play.
 
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Strange but true, despite me being a Butterfly fanboi and cheering on Tenergy and its ilk, I find myself using Xiom Vega Europe the most. Come this 12.12. I am already into my fourth piece of Xiom Vega Europe. This rubber suits my spin based looping style that I endeavour to play.
Vega Europe is a very sensible rubber, good control while maintaining decent spin capability. I can see how it would work to tame your Avenger to a manageable level
 
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Vega Europe is a very sensible rubber, good control while maintaining decent spin capability. I can see how it would work to tame your Avenger to a manageable level
when using it either on FH and BH, I create nice and pretty rainbow like arc. It grabs the ball very well ( long dwell time ). 10.5mm uber thick monster paired with a modest rubber = Heinz baked beans and toast.
 
I have now been four times to my local table tennis club's senior training sessions. 1.5 hours once a week. I face difficult strokes so rarely, that it will take me a long time even to learn to return a spinny serve.

I am now thinking that I should focus on developing seven strokes and become a one-dimensional player and see how far it will take me.

Backhand underspin serve
Backhand sidespin serve
Backhand topspin serve
Forehand flick
Backhand flick
Forehand drive
Backhand drive

I might be a slow, overweight 50-year-old couch potato, however I refuse to be a pusher!
 
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I have now been four times to my local table tennis club's senior training sessions. 1.5 hours once a week. I face difficult strokes so rarely, that it will take me a long time even to learn to return a spinny serve.

I am now thinking that I should focus on developing seven strokes and become a one-dimensional player and see how far it will take me.

Backhand underspin serve
Backhand sidespin serve
Backhand topspin serve
Forehand flick
Backhand flick
Forehand drive
Backhand drive

I might be a slow, overweight 50-year-old couch potato, however I refuse to be a pusher!
One dimensional? You mean one wing looper aka FH dominant looper? Yes?
 
One dimensional? You mean one wing looper aka FH dominant looper? Yes?
Don't know the meaning of those words. I mean that I am gonna aim all my shots towards the pocket/elbow of the opponent. Racket speed and accelaration will be my best friend. I refuse to be a pusher!
 
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Just wanted to share this training video.
Even if you don't want to use it for technique, it's just amazing to watch.
Especially after 1:45

I am currently fixing some flaws in my FH technique and I like to take these kinds of videos for orientation.

Right now, my timing on FH loops in open rallies / Counterloops is way off - especially close/near distance.

I hit the ball way too early, instead of letting it come more to my right side.
Also I am standing too upright after the first opening loop.

I record every training session now whenever possible and it makes a huge difference.
 
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Just wanted to share this training video.
Even if you don't want to use it for technique, it's just amazing to watch.
Especially after 1:45

I am currently fixing some flaws in my FH technique and I like to take these kinds of videos for orientation.

Right now, my timing on FH loops in open rallies / Counterloops is way off - especially close/near distance.

I hit the ball way too early, instead of letting it come more to my right side.
Also I am standing too upright after the first opening loop.

I record every training session now whenever possible and it makes a huge difference.
I've had some of the same issues, and I've been doing repeated self-videoing and corrections to improve them over the past 2 months. What I've found is that sometimes cause and effect is not what you might think it is. For example, I also found that I was hitting the ball too in front of my body, but the fix wasn't actually to just wait a bit more for the ball. When I tried that I just couldn't hit the ball right. Turns out the root cause was that I was only rotating at my waist, while my hip was thrusting forward more so than rotating, so that when I add power my right foot would step forward.

The way I'm fixing it now is by adding hip rotation, and the way to start doing that is with the backswing where I would rotate to my right until I feel a stretch in my right hip. When I get the hip rotation right, I HAVE to hit the ball when it's more to the side of my body, or else I I won't hit it right. Basically, by adding more right to left rotation (in my case, by adding hip rotation), I would naturally hit the ball more toward my left. I would then need to wait until the ball is more to my right before hitting it in order for it to land where I want it to land.
 
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I've had some of the same issues, and I've been doing repeated self-videoing and corrections to improve them over the past 2 months. What I've found is that sometimes cause and effect is not what you might think it is. For example, I also found that I was hitting the ball too in front of my body, but the fix wasn't actually to just wait a bit more for the ball. When I tried that I just couldn't hit the ball right. Turns out the root cause was that I was only rotating at my waist, while my hip was thrusting forward more so than rotating, so that when I add power my right foot would step forward.

The way I'm fixing it now is by adding hip rotation, and the way to start doing that is with the backswing where I would rotate to my right until I feel a stretch in my right hip. When I get the hip rotation right, I HAVE to hit the ball when it's more to the side of my body, or else I I won't hit it right. Basically, by adding more right to left rotation (in my case, by adding hip rotation), I would naturally hit the ball more toward my left. I would then need to wait until the ball is more to my right before hitting it in order for it to land where I want it to land.
Had a training session today with robot and partner practice.

I tried the hip rotation and it really helped - before that I sometimes did it and sometimes not.
I put a lot of emphasis on coiling with my hip and hitting the ball a bit later and it worked better than expected.
While that wasn't the only thing I worked on, I could actually see and feel the improvements each time.

Watching the footage now I am seeing more flaws than before, which is kind of a good thing.
Maybe I'll upload the videos later.

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Just wanted to share this training video.
Even if you don't want to use it for technique, it's just amazing to watch.
Especially after 1:45

I am currently fixing some flaws in my FH technique and I like to take these kinds of videos for orientation.

Right now, my timing on FH loops in open rallies / Counterloops is way off - especially close/near distance.

I hit the ball way too early, instead of letting it come more to my right side.
Also I am standing too upright after the first opening loop.

I record every training session now whenever possible and it makes a huge difference.
this vid is just impressive
 
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