Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[Der_Echte]

NL, I watch Smash ttc coach give a lesson while I waited to practice with that dude and saw an entirely new way to grip the bat and start the bat moving then add wrist.

This will work with a very low toss as it doesn't really require any or just a little lower arm.

I tried this out and I can consistently get near max or Max underspin on short serves more often than my normal grip and high toss serve.

Will show you next time we are in the same tt hall.

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[loss]

good morning

 

[NextLevel]

The ball catching drill to test shoulder rotation. I might try to actively involve my left arm in my forehand loop to force shoulder rotation.

The serve video - it is pretty long, but 5 minutes is enough to get the gist. I do use just about every serve I will use in a match except for my fast backhand no-spin and my windshield wiper variant.

 

[Boogar]

Today I had a strange match against an old man...

And i lost two of three matches we played... I can't understand why rly...

He has no serves, only long no spin balls. However they are somehow deceptive and well placed. I could not attack them.

Also he cant rly spin the ball. He is just hitting the ball. But he takes the ball of the bounce with extreme force and just smashes it onto my half of the table. its almost like the spin i give him doesn't matter. After he hit the first ball, the next ones are coming so fast at me that i can't do anything else than block them back.

I left pretty confused after I had at least beaten him once. That was after he cleaned his rubbers... maybe they weren't that grippy anymore and thats why he could just smash all those balls.

 

[JMC]

Were you playing someone with pips? Or very old worn out rubber? I play close to the table and attack off the bounce and it is actually easier when my opponent spins the ball (assuming I read the spin). Also, if his rubber is really worn out you may be correct and he doesn't care about spin only height above the net.

 

[Boogar]

Were you playing someone with pips? Or very old worn out rubber? I play close to the table and attack off the bounce and it is actually easier when my opponent spins the ball (assuming I read the spin). Also, if his rubber is really worn out you may be correct and he doesn't care about spin only height above the net.

Probably old worn out rubbers. Also we played on stone tables outdoors... the bounce is much higher and faster on those.

 

[NextLevel]

Today I had a strange match against an old man...

And i lost two of three matches we played... I can't understand why rly...

He has no serves, only long no spin balls. However they are somehow deceptive and well placed. I could not attack them.

Also he cant rly spin the ball. He is just hitting the ball. But he takes the ball of the bounce with extreme force and just smashes it onto my half of the table. its almost like the spin i give him doesn't matter. After he hit the first ball, the next ones are coming so fast at me that i can't do anything else than block them back.

I left pretty confused after I had at least beaten him once. That was after he cleaned his rubbers... maybe they weren't that grippy anymore and thats why he could just smash all those balls.

Sometimes, spin will not protect you against an opponent who knows what to do with high balls. IF he can smash them like you are describing, then it means that the balls are high. Different kinds of balls bother different kinds of players. IF you rally with high balls and heavy topspin, then you have to be able to be ready to play more shots than your opponent. You might have just thought that because he can't spin, he is going to miss your balls and were overconfident. But the truth is that your spin makes his job easier in many cases. You have to drop back and give yourself time to see the ball and then hope that heavy looping from distance will throw off his timing as tracking a loop from distance is different from tracking one close to the table.

I have been playing opponents recently that like it when my ball arcs with heavy topspin so they can use my spin to kill the ball. But then I play opponents who like it when my ball travels low so they can block off the bounce. Trying to switch between both styles can be annoying but at all levels, if you are a one trick pony, you have to accept the limitations of your trick but make it as good as you can.

 

[Yecats Encerwal]

Sometimes, spin will not protect you against an opponent who knows what to do with high balls. IF he can smash them like you are describing, then it means that the balls are high. Different kinds of balls bother different kinds of players. IF you rally with high balls and heavy topspin, then you have to be able to be ready to play more shots than your opponent. You might have just thought that because he can't spin, he is going to miss your balls and were overconfident. But the truth is that your spin makes his job easier in many cases.

I have been playing opponents recently that like it when my ball arcs with heavy topspin so they can use my spin to kill the ball. But then I play opponents who like it when my ball travels low so they can block off the bounce. Trying to switch between both styles can be annoying but at all levels, if you are a one trick pony, you have to accept the limitations of your trick but make it as good as you can.

From a recent video posted by OSPH, NL's point is proved.

OSPH smashes through a lot of slow loops because they are high.

 

[NextLevel]

From a recent video posted by OSPH, NL's point is proved.

OSPH smashes through a lot of slow loops because they are high.

Yes, but I think everyone has a spin level. I might play the same guy as Boogar and he might just be bothered by my spin and not by Boogar's. Or maybe not. For all Boogar knows, the guy might be used to 2200+ loops from somewhere that Boogar is not familiar with.

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

I wanna know how OSPH felt operating a bat that has grip tape.

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Did not try it out yet Der, will try it out tonight

In Der we trust

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

From a recent video posted by OSPH, NL's point is proved.

OSPH smashes through a lot of slow loops because they are high.

slight correction: slow topspin loops ... at my club, i've played 2 SH players who can lob ... BUT they are adding sidespin under the table and if i don't quick smash/catch it off the bounce immediatedly the break after the bounce will catch me offguard as i play close-to-the-table.

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

if you are a one trick pony, you have to accept the limitations of your trick but make it as good as you can.

Guilty as charged! lol

I know i can only go so far with it ... hence, I'm trying to evolve

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

good morning

Belatedly, good morning for yesterday as well as today

er, interesting nickname

 

[Der_Echte]

Haha Der_Echte is a One Trick Pony. He rides that wave as long as it works.

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[OldschoolPenholder]

Last night's AAR:

Played ~3 hrs pretty much non-stop... after 2 hrs though, felt a little weak, took 10 mins break.. had a granola bar and a protein bar. Weather unseasonably warm, club was not that humid, perhaps I didn't hydrate well enough.

Hit with 6 players last night, one of which is a gentleman at my level or so. He was the only one I played a match with. I lost first 2 games at -8, -9. Could've went my way. Not to take away from his game/skill, but i was feeling weak. won 3rd game close, and explained to him i needed a break. Sat and ate.

The others were a little lower level than me (except 1 gentleman), so i blocked for them and let them groove their strokes.

The last guy is a total beginner... a friend asked me to hit with him, despite me being pretty tired, i knew he was a beginner and most others that would even hit with this beginner would not drill/play steady, they would just kill the ball on the guy. So i blocked. His FH stroke is not there yet... i tried to show him, despite me being a PH player, that the SH FH stroke is like this, and you close the racket, and you stand like this and you followthrough on the stroke ... he nodded his understanding but didn't do as i showed him, not sure if he understood english... or he wouldn't take advice. i used my CPen and held it SH grip to show him the FH... not sure if he was observing or not.

not sure if it's language barrier or not, at some point, a gentleman was watching us and asked if he could hit with me, partly cos he didn't play in 10 yrs and also testing how dead his rubbers were and partly to show the beginner the FH stroke. the beginner says to this other gentleman, he wanted to hit for 5 more mins with me. Beginner seems to speak english! the gentleman has good strokes, am sure back in the day he was a 'playa'

I thought after hitting with the gentleman, i would leave... very tired, but the beginner jumped back on... so i hit with him a total of 45 mins.

@ Der_Echte,

The first gentleman i hit with, is a CPen who plays away from the table. We did mostly BH to BH. This afforded me the opportunity to really work my close-to-the-table punches and i also had some half BH strokes. As he returned some to my FH, i didn't smash as we were just drilling ... he didn't use a RPB. But some shots, I stepped around and FH stroke. Really liking the Amazon/MX-P combo. THANK YOU!

I'm really getting used to the Amazon with MX-P on BH blocking and punching. I can vary yin-yang now between passive block and aggressive punch. Last night, I had some half BH strokes that surprised me as generally i don't hit with my BH strokes.

The grip tape was surprising for me, my first time ever using grip tape. Not sure if it's psychosomatic or your jedi mind trick, but after a night of 90% BH techniques, my hand wasn't sore. I have a slightly unorthodox CPen grip i believe. the handle is not in the web of my hand, it's closer to the knuckle of my index finger. This facilitates punching much better for me than if the handle is in the web of my hand, downside though is the side of my index finger knuckle is usually sore.

After 3 nights rest, hand didn't hurt from the added weight of the short pips from last week. My FH stroke was back ... last week thursday, after trying the short pips tues/weds for added weight, it threw my FH off.

Ordered RITC 837 LP Ox from colestt.com last night.

 

[42andbackpains]

Saturday...Took a 2 hour training with one of my coaches. Things i tried to work on.

1. Consciously took it slow on my forehand loop. Trying to generate more spin and more arc. I find that i am not snapping my wrist when looping, therefore there is no arc in my loops.

2. Noticed that on my fh and bh strokes i am hitting the ball near the upper part towards the top 1/3 of the paddle. Asked my coach why, and she saids this is not correct and i should be more near the center of the racket. We also asked a coach also giving a lesson on the next table and also confirmed that my contact is wrong. HHHmmmmmmm.....this is why i may feel i am am a tad slow and my timing is off. I picked up this habit hitting the ball near the top 1/3 of the paddle because it it advised my shortpips bh coach it can be used doing shortpips backhands. I guess it also transferred to my forehand play. I will work on this as i am transitioning back to smooth inverted rubber on my backhand.

3. Asked my coach i see a little upward racket wobble when high level players push serves. She corrected me that it is not actually going upward but the player applying grip pressure to adjust to the incoming spin. This is sort of a illusion. Now i have to work on it too because she explained my grip pressure isn't timed well and there is also lack of grip pressure in my serve returns.

4. Relax, Relax, RELAX!!!....always tense....its getting better but very slowly.

Sunday, Worked the 40 and over tournament at my club.

Now i will go back to harassing OSPH in my personal messages to him... Peace out!!!

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

Do not correct anything please. Will be easier for me to beat you!

Now i will go back to harassing OSPH in my personal messages to him... Peace out!!!

GRRR! BRING IT!

 

[NextLevel]

3. Asked my coach i see a little upward racket wobble when high level players push serves.

Whip mechanics.

 

[NextLevel]

21 shot rally.

youtu.be/xILM0jkkO9A?t=704

 

[NextLevel]

Whip pattern for backspin and pendulum serves.