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That's OK - I'm trying to move away from FB as much as possible lately. Huge time sink and distraction, and that's before we get into all this wonderful data stuff.

After only being on Facebook Messenger for a while, I logged onto Facebook from my cellphone. And then I realized I couldn't log out. I looked for a way to log out and I could not. In frustration, I deleted/uninstalled both apps again. It's amazing that they can do that - make it so hard for you to turn off the apps when you turn them on.
 
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After only being on Facebook Messenger for a while, I logged onto Facebook from my cellphone. And then I realized I couldn't log out. I looked for a way to log out and I could not. In frustration, I deleted/uninstalled both apps again. It's amazing that they can do that - make it so hard for you to turn off the apps when you turn them on.

I removed apps and disabled all other app connections to FB as well. Not much of value was lost, IMHO.
 
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FRAG ME! I wanted to hit with you but i didn't remember! I AM SORRY PGPG!

i woke up, wife told we had to make a costco run ... i went and thought to myself, parking lot is kind of empty... i'll grab a spot near the entrance and saw it closed and didn't remember it was Easter. Later after lunch, i had to go to Target and old man memory, it was closed for Easter.

Are you still in NYC? If not, i hope you had a good time at RC

EDIT: ah you had a great lesson with RC, caught up on thread.

So, April 1st is almost here (and I also did not realize that it's actually Easter Sunday!) and I was a bit busy at work, so forgot to post this earlier... I still plan to be in Manhattan around 1 pm this Sunday and so far I think I'm going to make a trip to Flushing some time after 4 pm at the earliest, if all goes well.

I'm trying to see whether I can get a lesson at Robert Chen's club around that time, but if not, well, I'll simply show up and see what happens. Looks like there is a small tournament that day at Coach Li's club nearby, but unfortunately I can't make it there in time, bummer.

Not particularly tied to Robert Chen's club, but it looks like it's the closest one to a subway stop (although I'm sure I can grab an Uber to other places too). Shoot me a PM if you happen to be in the neighborhood and want to have a hit that day.
 
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Sounds like him (he is very loud too sometimes :) ), although I have to confess, I forgot whether he's a lefty or not. Definitely an anti.

That's most likely him. He holds the racket like one would hold a hammer. He doesn't use traditional SH grip with index finger extended.

NextLevel has posted some of his matches with MB. I recognized MB when i went to my current club about 2 years ago from his voice and loud yell after missing an easy shot LOLOL We both played at the old firehouse in NYC Chinatown in the 1980's. He recognized me, but more for when I played a lot of chess LOL
 
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Interesting! I have heard great things about the Taksim, but how does the tenergy 25 feel to you?

One of my brothers, from our old 1980's TT crew that 42andbackpains and i was a part of, gave me his old beat up Taksim. He has been using Taksim for ages. Sometime after i 'retired' from TT in 1987 or so, we used to play once in a while ... back then I was used to my old trusty Excalibur, a Double Happiness '08' 7 ply all wood blade. Never tried out carbon blades. I hit with his Taksim back then to try out and i wasn't used to the pock pock sound, the slight vibration, etc. Fast forward 30+ years and I am getting used to the Taksim LOL I guess i lost the feeling of wood blades during my 'retirement' and was able to try out new blades and adapt with the times.

I'm not an equipment junkie despite me changing setups a few times since I retired Excalibur. I don't read reviews, I don't understand all the terms - i just hit with them and see how my strokes/game is. So please take my comments with that understanding.

I used Tenergy 80FX for at least 6 months. I was getting a little used to the tensor rubbers' bounciness unlike the tacky rubbers I used to use on FH loops and blocks.

Bounciness - the Tenergy 25 seems less bouncy than the 80FX but still more bouncy than the tacky rubbers I've used. I've used MX-P for a few months and 25 seems close to MX-P for me. The 80FX was way more bouncy than MX-P for me.

Spin - i have not used the 25 enough, or more properly, i've not begun to spin much in practice yet. Been concentrating on flat hits and blocks/punches. The few times I FH looped with the 25, it seems less spin than the 80FX for me. Will report back once I've used this setup after a few months.

Serves - I have not gotten the spin i used to get on my serves from tacky rubbers. I have not gotten used to tensor rubbers on my rocket serves yet. Although these could also be a factor of the blade or more specifically I have custom-grooved the bottom of the handle on Excalibur which facilitated my slightly off-center of the TPB curled grip.

Pushing - pushing side-to-side is a big part of my game. I have not gotten used to the touch/angle I need to push side-to-side effectively yet. When I push to the middle, my touch/float is still not used to the tensor ... balls return too high/long.

Don't worry about the loses with the new setup! You will improve as you get use to it.
I am also terrible at reading the spins of serves.. but practice leads to improvement, I'll continue to misread them until i can read them someday haha.

I am not worried about losses or wins. Although if I win some, it shows me that i have improved on some aspects of my game. Due to the changing setups in the past 2+ years, I have no game! For the past year or almost 2 years, I have been mostly practicing. Using the smaller blade American Hinoki with Tenergy 80FX, i self-learned the rudiments of SH BH which helped me a little to self-learn the rudiments of RPB. Having used the Taksim setup only about 2 weeks now, I should really just practice. However, as of last week, I have started playing matches again.

But playing with my friend made me realize that his way of 'hitting' the ball is very efficient, and will be a good edition to my shot selection. He basically go 70% hit, 30% 'rub/friction'. He then let me practice doing that, I was quite amazed by the result, the shot is very fast and difficult to return as the time for the opponent to react is dramatically shortened.

I have a new friend who is a coach. He hit with me one night a few months ago at my regular club when he visited. He told a mutual friend that he thought I had a decent foundation. My friend mentioned this to me and suggested i join his club.

The first night i was at the new club, i hit with him again. He was admonishing me that my strokes were so 1980's and slow!! My FH stroke/flat hit starts at my hip. He was trying to get it into my pea brain that i should meeting the ball earlier. My friend keeps reminding me to keep my hand in front of me over the table and to hit the ball in front of me as opposed to hitting the ball when it is outside of the table and by my side. Coincidentally I posted a video on this thread sometime ago where NextLevel and ttmonster advised I should try meeting the ball earlier also.

About 2 or 3 weeks ago, I hit with my regular training partner. He is trying to relearn his FH. He asked me to hit slowly. At times, he told me to slow down. I was amazed that he asked me that as I was slowly stroking the ball. That night I thought about it and I realized I am meeting the ball earlier and I seem fast to him! There are times my 'muscle memory' (such a bad term as muscles have no memory lol) resorts to the outside of the table hit the ball when it gets to my hip, but i have been trying to consciously meet the ball earlier.

Good luck in your training si-hing!

I did something I've never done before today. I acted as a 'coach' for a beginner, as he asked if he can come over to my house and learn how to hit the balls more consistently.

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I feel tired after the session, but I think it is worthwhile and satisfying.

Congratulations! Now I have to address you as JeffM sifu ;-)

Yes, we all have to learn to walk before we can run. It's said that most teachers learn and improve by teaching others. The students all learn differently and that forces the teacher to find new ways to explain to get the lesson across. By doing so, it helps the teacher learn and improve for themselves.

Good luck in your teaching sifu!

~si-dai
 
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Yesterday, I played briefly with a 38mm ball which was left in the bucket of balls. I could loop everything on both sides without any trouble It was easier than an old 40 cell or 40+ plastic. The bounce was consistent. It was not even a Nittaku . I played in the 38mm era.
 
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Last week

Monday - nothing special to report ... just trying to get used to the new setup - first time in a long time i went to TT on a monday.... usually it's a rest day and i only go 3x/week. Tried going for 4x/week last week. Still kind of achy all over lol

Tuesday - practiced on a side table where there is a white wall on one side and a gray partition on the other ... not wearing glasses as i play, i find it challenging to pick up the incoming ball - just practice.

Wednesday - went to my new club... able to hit 30 mins with my friend the coach... he helped me on my RPB. I may have to seriously learn the Wang Hao grip for RPB vs trying to use the TPB curled grip to try on RPB. Hit with my regular partner who also joined the new club. We practiced serve and 3rd ball attack. For me, it was more trying to get used to serving with the Taksim and Tenergy 25. For him, i saw him play some games at our regular club... he is too passive... so i tried to help him and encourage him to 3rd ball loop. Reminded him of the tactic i mentioned to him one prior time we trained 3rd ball attack ... slow spinny loop. But also, sometimes he has the setup and is in position, but doesn't 3rd ball FH loop. I kept pushing long to his FH to help him. He was able to slow spinny loop some as well as loop drive some.

Thursday - just practiced ... was able to hit with a coach i've hit with before for 20 mins ... i blocked for him as he FH loop... very challenging for me as always. Then my turn to FH loop and i still had to consciously work on short stroke loop. Went to another table and played a JPen i've played 2 or almost 3 yrs ago. Since that time, i've just practiced. I lost easily to him. Forgot how to play him. He has a TPB BH. Prior to the games, we had a good warmup. He has sidespin loops at times and i was able to steadily block for him.

Last night - Monday

I went to my regular club looking to play a match with my arch-nemesis, "K". i haven't played nor hit with him in a long time. During that time, I was getting used to 2 new blades, tensor rubbers, and self-learning SH BH so i can self-learn RPB. On and off we chat and he has dropped hints to me to the effect of I've been practicing too much and not playing games.

Yin-Yang - practice and matchplay ... when i was a kid, i used to play more games than practice ... although i have some of the basic strokes, i wasn't steady enough or good enough. Such is youth, play games for bragging rights and trash-talking throughout the games with our crew LOL

So I waited at the table K was on. He was hitting with one of the 2000+ players who also sometimes coaches K as well as others. That coach has seen me around, checked out my racket and he is a SH player. He then proceeded to hit with my racket ... FH loops, RPB loops. He surprised me, didn't think he ever played PH at all. His FH is a provinicial Hurricane. He didn't like the Tenergy 25 as much as the Hurricane. He let me try his racket and the Hurricane and it was sweet. But at $80 a sheet and as I'm a club player, I didn't really need the Hurricane, especially at my current level. He then wanted me to hit with him a little before he left. I was able to block him steadily enough. He helped me a little with my RPB.

Another member showed up, i think he's 2200+. He tried out the Hurricane and I was able to block steadily enough also but he had wicked spin and speed on his FH loops.

Since my 30+ yrs break, I've been practicing more than I've played games. My gameplay is bad. So last night I intended to play K, as in the past, I had close games with him, he focuses on playing steady/defensive. Can go on the offensive, but he knows my game and it is a challenge for both of us. Have never beaten him, lost 3-2 once, mostly 3-1 and 3-0 losses though, but each game was close, 7-9 points.

Last night, the start of the 3rd week of using my new setup, i really shouldn't be playing matches as i am not used to the blade/rubbers yet. Plus lately i've been trying to consciously fight my muscle memory's TPB punch urges and start using RPB. i lost 3-0, mostly at 6. I had a few smash winners, had some TPB punches for winners. Out of 7 RPB attempts, i made 3, 1 for a surprise slow loop winner. No video sadly, one great point ... i punched him side to side and then 5th ball smash straight into his racket, i then 7th ball smash to his BH for a winner as i caught him leaning to his FH. However, i missed quite a few lobs... he adds sidespin under the table and i still rush my shots. I also wear glasses, but as i play i don't. I may start wearing glasses as i play going forward lol

I also played the member i played last week or 2 weeks ago. Think he's a rusty 2000 player. Haven't seen him prior to a month or less ago, at least not on a weeknight. Can't read his serves, for a big guy his 3rd ball pivot loop down the line smoked me too many times. Away from the table, he BH smashed for many winners. i lost 3 matches, 3-0 mostly at 5 or 6, more due mostly to his missed serves. Lost 3-1 one match with one game losing at deuce. My pushing side-to-side game was effective, but many a time, i misjudged the angle and tensor bounce and it flew out.

[edit: I played a SH who has LP on his BH. I played him ages ago. He used to beat me easily due to the LP. Back then i figured out how to play him, had close games but lose 3-1 or 3-2. Haven't played him since then. Last night I played and after trailing 2-0, i figured out how to play him a tad late. i lost 3-0 but i will remember how to play him if i play him next time]

I plan on going to my regular club tonight to play some matches possibly with K again and that rusty 2000 member; new club tomorrow to practice and visit 42andbackpains' club thurs night

May all the net and edge balls go your way DTT CCers!
 
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The mystery of the no-spin serve (for me at least)

As i was playing the rusty 2000 player, i served sidedown and sidetop to his short FH and short middle... he was able to pick/flick it back easily. I then serve no spin, but am not sure if it's truly no spin, but in my mind's eye, i was serving no spin as i don't 'wrist' it as much for spin. Tried to use my same long pendulum FH motion to serve and as he went to flick them, it flew out. Not sure if he mishit or misread the no spin to be spin and because his flick was meant for spin and the serve was no spin that the balls flew out.

I vaguely recall NextLevel mentioning that he served heavy downspin and no spin, mixing it up. And on the no spin, his partners popped them up and he had easy shots.

Will continue with trying to integrate no spin serves into my repertoire.
 
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Went to the club on Saturday to pick up some Tenergy 05 rubbers I paid for a month ago. I really haven't missed playing because without the addiction to fuel my playing despite the pain, I have actually gotten in touch with how my body really feels. Or maybe because the muscles no longer play everyday, I just don't feel as painless when doing TT movements.

So the break will continue. I see an elbow and shoulder specialist this week on Thursday. Work has also ramped up so I don't have as much time. But I don't miss the sport as much as I thought I would - at least, not yet.
 
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The mystery of the no-spin serve (for me at least)

As i was playing the rusty 2000 player, i served sidedown and sidetop to his short FH and short middle... he was able to pick/flick it back easily. I then serve no spin, but am not sure if it's truly no spin, but in my mind's eye, i was serving no spin as i don't 'wrist' it as much for spin. Tried to use my same long pendulum FH motion to serve and as he went to flick them, it flew out. Not sure if he mishit or misread the no spin to be spin and because his flick was meant for spin and the serve was no spin that the balls flew out.

I vaguely recall NextLevel mentioning that he served heavy downspin and no spin, mixing it up. And on the no spin, his partners popped them up and he had easy shots.

Will continue with trying to integrate no spin serves into my repertoire.

Reading no spin as spin and making mistakes is more common than you think it is. When someone is returning my spin serves well with short pushes, I go to no spin versions. If I have game point, more often than not, you are getting a no spin serve to the short forehand. I used to serve no spin long a lot and I still do because players who overcompensate with open racket angles rather than stroke speed tend to loop it long.
 
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Reading no spin as spin and making mistakes is more common than you think it is. When someone is returning my spin serves well with short pushes, I go to no spin versions. If I have game point, more often than not, you are getting a no spin serve to the short forehand. I used to serve no spin long a lot and I still do because players who overcompensate with open racket angles rather than stroke speed tend to loop it long.

THANK YOU SIR!

i will need to work on my no spin serves disguised as my regular serves more then! that is if my partners can't read it as no spin

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You should also ask him about the characteristics of Tenergy 25 ... its a very different rubber .. not the same as T05 or T64 or T80 ...
THANK YOU SIR!

i will need to work on my no spin serves disguised as my regular serves more then! that is if my partners can't read it as no spin

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@NextLevel,

JeffM asked me about T25. ttmonster suggested I ask for your thoughts on the various Tenergy rubbers.

Courtesy of you I was able to try out T80 (guess this is shorthand for 80FX?) and now the T25. Below is part of my reply to JeffM.

I'm not an equipment junkie despite me changing setups a few times since I retired Excalibur. I don't read reviews, I don't understand all the terms - i just hit with them and see how my strokes/game is. So please take my comments with that understanding.

I used Tenergy 80FX for at least 6 months. I was getting a little used to the tensor rubbers' bounciness unlike the tacky rubbers I used to use on FH loops and blocks.

Bounciness - the Tenergy 25 seems less bouncy than the 80FX but still more bouncy than the tacky rubbers I've used. I've used MX-P for a few months and 25 seems close to MX-P for me. The 80FX was way more bouncy than MX-P for me.

Spin - i have not used the 25 enough, or more properly, i've not begun to spin much in practice yet. Been concentrating on flat hits and blocks/punches. The few times I FH looped with the 25, it seems less spin than the 80FX for me. Will report back once I've used this setup after a few months.

Serves - I have not gotten the spin i used to get on my serves from tacky rubbers. I have not gotten used to tensor rubbers on my rocket serves yet. Although these could also be a factor of the blade or more specifically I have custom-grooved the bottom of the handle on Excalibur which facilitated my slightly off-center of the TPB curled grip.

Pushing - pushing side-to-side is a big part of my game. I have not gotten used to the touch/angle I need to push side-to-side effectively yet. When I push to the middle, my touch/float is still not used to the tensor ... balls return too high/long.

Additional comments:

I sometimes felt that the T80 helped me return shots that i normally wouldn't be able to. Within the 2 weeks I've used the T25, it seemed to help me also, but not to the degree of T80. With the T80 on pure blocking powerful loops, my blocks fly right back. With the T25, it does it but seems to be a tad less than the T80.

Curious as to your comments based on your knowledge and experience with the various Tenergy's Sir... thank you in advance!
 
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Tuesday night

I was waiting on the table to have a chance to play K again. But it turned out i played with the SH who has LP on his BH. About 2 yrs ago, i had close games with him when i played TPB with Avalox and a tacky rubber, but all losses.

Monday night i recalled how to play vs him/LP a bit late in the match and lost 3-0.

Am ecstatic to report that i lost 3-1 because the 2nd game i won at 21-19! During the first 2 games he didn't play his regular game, he played more for me to get back into gameplay and took it easy on me. He has seen me practice instead of matchplay in the time after we played 2 yrs ago. He has always complimented my strokes to others as he watched me practice. From time to time I play a game here and there and he knows my partners and sees sometimes I'm able to control the point but lose it ultimately from my inconsistent attacks.

Last night i served 75% rocket serves to his BH/LP, he pops it up, i flat hit/smash. I catch him flat-footed with 20% rocket serves down-the-line. If he made the shot, he is out of balance and i touch/push/float it back to his BH usually for winners, although some shots, the ball bounced a tad more than i expected and flew out. Part of the reason i won the 2nd game was because 95% of the time he served to my BH and 75% of the time I RPB stroke with a little spin or sometimes a RPB loop. I missed 25% of my RPB as I misjudged the break on his serve and also my footwork was slow to position me. So despite the loss, some progress on my part, although my partner helped me, essentially feeding me easy shots. After some great shots/points, he complimented me and encouraged me. Am indebted to him!

3rd and 4th games he went back to his regular play and mixed serve placement as well as spin. He FH looped more and LP swiped more.

After the match, I thanked him. From the 2nd game, he helped me gain some confidence in my strokes, and tactics. Am slowly getting used to the Taksim and T25/Xiom Vega Pro. I didn't FH loop that much, the few times I did, i jedi mind tricked myself for whatever reason. Only had 1 good FH loop. I need to practice FH looping more with this setup and revisit the strategy Der_Echte taught me, serve downspin and 3rd ball slow spinny loop.
 
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