Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[amiraL]

love to play league game.

 

[Lula]

What is wrong with his attitude? He sometimes may look a bit arrogant but I think that simply comes down to natural appearance / mimics. I think that he played extremely smart and maximised his "tool box". I'm sure that he will remember this match for a very long time.... what is his ranking 250? Amazing result.

Maybe you are correct. What i have noticed through the years is that i think he behaves somewhat bad sometime but i can not remember nothing special so maybe it is just that he looks arrogant. But i do know that he did not want to play the final of the swedish championship last year? because he was not allowed by the umpire to use his main racket. So he did a walk over. Do not know how i feel about that.

But i do not know him personally, and outside the table he is proably a very nice guy. I think he plays pretty good to, fast.

 

[mart1nandersson]

Maybe you are correct. What i have noticed through the years is that i think he behaves somewhat bad sometime but i can not remember nothing special so maybe it is just that he looks arrogant. But i do know that he did not want to play the final of the swedish championship last year? because he was not allowed by the umpire to use his main racket. So he did a walk over. Do not know how i feel about that.

But i do not know him personally, and outside the table he is proably a very nice guy. I think he plays pretty good to, fast.

He failed racket inspection. Probably due to excessive boosting. Unsure what a I think and feel about that as well.

I think Jens is fantastic to watch. Jens and Truls should team up for doubles. Unbeatable.

 

[Lula]

He failed racket inspection. Probably due to excessive boosting. Unsure what a I think and feel about that as well.

I think Jens is fantastic to watch. Jens and Truls should team up for doubles. Unbeatable.

I have no problem with that he failed it. All proably boost their rubbers. But i thought it was somewhat childish and not professional that he refused to play the final with his second racket.

I think Jens is to slow for doubles. Do not move so fast. I think he proably is much better in singles. But maybe he moves faster than i believe he does. I think he leans very much instead of moving the legs for playing at such a high level.

 

[mart1nandersson]

I have no problem with that he failed it. All proably boost their rubbers. But i thought it was somewhat childish and not professional that he refused to play the final with his second racket.

I think Jens is to slow for doubles. Do not move so fast. I think he proably is much better in singles. But maybe he moves faster than i believe he does. I think he leans very much instead of moving the legs for playing at such a high level.

Truls and Jens wouldn’t have to move. They would just kill each point at the 2nd or 3rd ball with a crazy kamikaze styled flick

 

[Der_Echte]

I could report a day where I progressed and showed improvement in match performance of nearly epic proportions... but for one aspect I have to rate today as a major disappointment, regardless of Singles performance.

Sure, we had a 2200+ visitor to the club who played vs all our better players who showed up, I wasn't there to see it all, but he lived up to his rated level I would say for sure. I played 2 matches and got off to a 1-0 start in them both. Competed well, except for one game, but his touch, control, and allround abilities are really too good for my level. I credit to myself that I complimented him nearly every point in my own unique way. I even had historic performances vs Scoobie Doo using the ABS ball, by far two matches where I performed way better than I ever did vs him.

Why is the short night rated a major disappointment?

I LET SCOOBIE DOO DOWN SO BIG TIME it is silly.

Over the past few weeks, Scoobie and I have been playing doubles wherever possible so we can compete and win this weekend's U4100 doubles in the local tourney... For 6 times on the trot, I have had 1-3 games where I play like I am a teenager in puberty with an ever growing body and spastic convoluted totally uncoordinated movement and perception... I have for sure not been holding my end of the bargain and it is damn disappointing to me, Scoobie, the sport of TT, and Volvo AG. I should be able to judge and move and prepare and execute the easiest of chances and in some points each game, it isn't happening. I will need to find a way to make direct contact and go for less to stop pissing away points worse than a drunken sailor after the chug-a-lug contest. Not peeing where the ball will go or what is on it is a big area of concern and I need to adjust by getting it on the table and let Scoobie handle business.

If I can hold myself to the loose 50 or loose 40 concept (loose grip, reduce power, make spin) I will help out the squad better. We never know, maybe match day, I will pop my head outta my arse, wipe the brown stuff off, and play some real TT in doubles. This weekend will tell, win or lose, the obvious signs will tell the story.

 

[Der_Echte]

A note about yesterday's performance in Singles vs Scoobie Doo... We used an ABS ball... the new generation ones. This one is spec'd to be heavier and more solid feeling at impact... just what the doctor order for Koreans who like to hit real hard... which Der_Echte is NOT a hitter, I am a softie with an emphasis on spin.

This ABS ball seemed to make it SO DAMNED EASY to flip short serves with either spin, pace, or both... I got SO MANY points off that. With the Nittaku Premium 3*** ball, I could flip with decent percentage vs Scoobie, but he could track them all down and use touch on the return. Maybe 10% were winners for me outright and when he got the ball back, I would be damn lucky to win half those points... so much for getting an advantage doing that.

Using the ABS ball, it seemed 75% of my BH flips from his serve were winners, either by him or blocked long or countered into net/long. 25% he would counter and he won the point on nearly every one of those.

I have to say, the new generation of ABS ball is a counter-hitting, counter looping player's dream.

This ball is also for the brave and rewards bravery/commitment for playing aggressive... whether that is against serve, or against strong incoming shots.

We may say ITTF designed it to slow down the game... but I certainly play faster with this ball. If I have courage to flip, it works a LOT better, if I counter, I can stay in the rally and apply pressure so much better. (We had more spectacular long rallies than ever... and we had really short ones.)

 

[Der_Echte]

For this tourney in a week, I have been allowed a doubles partner for the U3600 Doubles division... a very steady player, but a LH player. So much for flipping my opponent's serves. maybe next year.

I expect to strongly contend for the title with this player, as well as in the U4100 division with Scoobie Doo.

Many players pride themselves on their Singles rating for good reason as it is a snapshot of their overall playing level...

… but this tourney, I REALLY have set the goal of succeeding in doubles events. I registered for only one singles event, the U2100 division.

Either way, with monster and David rolling into town with a purpose, things are gunna get REAL and real quick.

 

[ttmonster]

To be honest William , I checked out the field and its pretty tough in U3600 ... meaning I see a lot of teams with balanced ratings and those are the ones you need to watch out for ... not sure about David and I rolling into town with purpose ... I think for us its more a day out and see what happens .. to be honest I am going there with no expectations ... especially with the singles .. because I registered in events which are two to three levels up, have not played in competition ( not even league ) for a while now and have zilch confidence on how my fitness will hold out ... does not mean I will not finish the events , the adrenaline will carry me through and I will get to know the next day , but most likely I will get slower and slower as the day gets by ... but we shall see

For this tourney in a week, I have been allowed a doubles partner for the U3600 Doubles division... a very steady player, but a LH player. So much for flipping my opponent's serves. maybe next year.

I expect to strongly contend for the title with this player, as well as in the U4100 division with Scoobie Doo.

Many players pride themselves on their Singles rating for good reason as it is a snapshot of their overall playing level...

… but this tourney, I REALLY have set the goal of succeeding in doubles events. I registered for only one singles event, the U2100 division.

Either way, with monster and David rolling into town with a purpose, things are gunna get REAL and real quick.

 

[Der_Echte]

To be honest William , I checked out the field and its pretty tough in U3600 ... meaning I see a lot of teams with balanced ratings and those are the ones you need to watch out for ... not sure about David and I rolling into town with purpose ... I think for us its more a day out and see what happens .. to be honest I am going there with no expectations ... especially with the singles .. because I registered in events which are two to three levels up, have not played in competition ( not even league ) for a while now and have zilch confidence on how my fitness will hold out ... does not mean I will not finish the events , the adrenaline will carry me through and I will get to know the next day , but most likely I will get slower and slower as the day gets by ... but we shall see

Hey monster,

The forum has not seen you and David play doubles while you are in a "rusty" mode.

I have.

I am not buying the argument that your squad will not be competitive in the U3600 doubles division. The TD just allowed me a doubles partner (I had registered in the hop I could get a partner) and my squad is the final one allowed into that division.

The field is full. The field is ripe for picking apart.

Don't anyone under-sell the doubles squad of David/Monster, even if they were out all night on a thunder run (which they do NOT do), that squad would still leave a trail of damage and destruction.

you and David WILL be rolling into town with a purpose... winning is not your first expectation, I get that, but teams thinkimg that are gunna get their tails in a real bad crack.

 

[mart1nandersson]

Here's a (micro) book review of the Jörgen Persson autobiography (currently only available in Swedish but there're plans for German and possibly English).

The initial part of the book covers his upbringing and how he came into contact with TT. He meets Stellan fairly early in his career and they form a bond even though they're from rival clubs & cities. His club seems like a fantastic club for young players. It gives a quite interesting insight into 70/80ies Sweden.

The second part covers his late teens and how he signed with Düsseldorf. EJs will find some interesting details about Donic (the founder of Donic seem to have founded ESN if I understood the contents correctly) where Jörgen was one of their first pros.

The second part covers his professional career focusing on the wins against China but also the fairly big divide that occurred in the Swedish national team when J-O, Appelgren & CO wanted Stellan out which Jörgen seem to have taken quite great offence against.

The third part of the book covers his personal life (kids, marriage, divorces etc) and the later parts of career and his failure of winning a medal in the olympics. It also touches on him trying to start an exporting business to China and a fairly short chapter where a famous Swedish psychologist is being interviewed on why he's such a big sportsman and kind person (the title is "The kind/gentle world champion").

The 4th part of the book (actually 1/4) is a listing of all of his achievements including a quite funny listing of all of his games against J-O which just goes on forever (I guess that the message is that he has plus statistics against J-O but I lost track after reading one page).

As a footnote: I continued my duty as a temp in division 6 and we secured promotion to division 5. I managed to win against a player twice my rating and lost badly to another guy. I won the doubles with a 13 y/o by just returning the ball to the direction it came from. Our opponents crashed together pretty much all the time. The tactics was not my invention but my partners. I don't think that I hit one offensive stroke during the entire match. Happy days.

 

[Richie]

It's a small world, my driving instructor went to the same high school as him. She said everyone in class adored him.

 

[NextLevel]

It's a small world, my driving instructor went to the same high school as him. She said everyone in class adored him.

His voice has one of the coolest accents and cadences in the history of mankind.

 

[Der_Echte]

Did a rare Sunday league today.

Played vs Scoobie Doo... T95MWP was there too, also in my group.

Match vs Scoobie was another historic epic performance with so many things I did better, yet still lose 0-3.

However, all those games went to deuce. ALL. I gave him very little to work with and made him work his tail off for everything. He was just simply better at the very last. I had leads in every game, I applied pressure constantly, I attacked successfully in ways I never was consistent before, I made combination shot sequences and rallies we never had...

… but the same thing happened, I lose, Scoobie finds a way. I might be giving him more training than he is giving me... but we are easily improving each other.

Scoobie will concur. If I keep this up with more time, the Bay Area 2000 USATT level California crowd is really gunna hate on me.

It almost still makes no sense that playing only 2-3 times per week and not doing many structured drills is improving my play level, not just a little, but measurably.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Aren’t you afraid that you would be improving mostly against HIM in particular ?

 

[Der_Echte]

There is merit to the question, but the things I need to do to improve vs him are things I need to do to improve performance vs most offensive players who are a level or more higher rated.

Things like:

- Improving touch
- Improving consistency
- Being Ready to continue the attack
- Playing with a plan, playing with courage
- Keeping serves short and low
- Seeing when serve goes long and attack
- Land first attack higher percentage
- Loosen grip and reduce power when needed

These and many other things I have been improving can carry over to other opponents and have clearly raised my playing level the last year or so.

I would say yes, there is some adjustment and improvement that is specific to just vs him (say, I can read his serves better and be more aggressive)… but Scoobie Doo has found a way to handle every improvement and make me find more ways to improve.

I think most of it is as simple as that, but I would say you are right to a lesser degree.

 

[NextLevel]

My latest loop to block drill, all random. Definitely need some work to improve my backhand readiness and preparation but I am happier with it. Fewer forehands with no rotation.

https://youtu.be/alBYwJUil8k

 

[Der_Echte]

To be honest William , I checked out the field and its pretty tough in U3600 ... meaning I see a lot of teams with balanced ratings and those are the ones you need to watch out for ... not sure about David and I rolling into town with purpose ... I think for us its more a day out and see what happens .. to be honest I am going there with no expectations ... especially with the singles .. because I registered in events which are two to three levels up, have not played in competition ( not even league ) for a while now and have zilch confidence on how my fitness will hold out ... does not mean I will not finish the events , the adrenaline will carry me through and I will get to know the next day , but most likely I will get slower and slower as the day gets by ... but we shall see

The teams in doubles you need to look out for are those who actually know how to play doubles, regardless of rating.

Teams with a high rated strong offensive player partnered with a lower rated, but steady player are especially dangerous.

Monster, if you were rated 30 points or more lower, we would be one of those LAND SHARK doubles squads.

The reason why James Goodwin and I were unstoppable as a doubles team in CLC 2017 was that James is increadbly steady AND a higher rated player. That allowed me to stay aggressive.

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[ttmonster]

William I have been rated the same for a number of years now, its you who decided to get your rating up by practicing with Scoobie Doo .... so the jokes on you buddy ... LOL

Kidding apart, I have no reason to disagree with what you said , the real rating of doubles is not apparent when you just look at the singles ratings. But generally I have always found teams with equally rated partners that just touch the ratings limit to be more dangerous provided they have an overall game at that rating level. If there is a person whose singles rating is just because of their service which does not translate well to doubles, or one uses a weird pips his team mate is more affected by than the opponents ... then its an exception ..

So I did a quick analysis of the doubles teams, your team is placed 4th and ours is 7th in terms of overall ratings ... looking at the points spread and the balance , Akul and George is the best positioned to win this if George lives up to his rating, next best positioned is your team 1900 + and 1600 + .. which is a good balance if those ratings are accurate ... but if Bryant Lin has a ringer in the 820 partner he has then its a totally different ball game ...
but overall those are my picks .. if you want I can send you my excel to your email account ... not sure if people will take kindly to me if I put their names in a table here

The teams in doubles you need to look out for are those who actually know how to play doubles, regardless of rating.

Teams with a high rated strong offensive player partnered with a lower rated, but steady player are especially dangerous.

Monster, if you were rated 30 points or more lower, we would be one of those LAND SHARK doubles squads.

The reason why James Goodwin and I were unstoppable as a doubles team in CLC 2017 was that James is increadbly steady AND a higher rated player. That allowed me to stay aggressive.

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[Der_Echte]

All George needs to do is be steady. If he doesn't go crazy attacking, Akul will put on pressure and make it easy.

Scoobie Doo had to withdraw from tourney, so I gotta get a partner for u4100 doubles. Prolly gunna be George or Johnny, who was on the other trouble makers team at the Chinese tourney.

Both you and David are steady and both of you attack. That can be tough... for the other teams.

I have seen teams with super strong player and low rated player fail. If lower rated player can receive serves and not make mistakes, that sq it ad us string. You saw how our team won vs Barney's team.

The partner I have for u3600 doubles is a true rated player, very steady. He is a lefty, I never played doubles with him before... but whatever.

In 2016 VA state championships, I never played with mytt jfolsen before either... and we won the doubles championship vs a team higher rated... by a good margin.

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