Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[blahness]

I see that you live in a very hot country. Maybe it was the conditions your bat was stored in. Or maybe if you're friends experienced it as well, it might bw the conditions the rubbers were shipped to the country in. I've had my dignics for 5 months, and it just broke in! Ps. Dignics takes a while to become alive on an all wood blade.

Melbourne is the farthest place from hot lol....I wish it was actually hot!

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

@NextLevel
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=60歳以上向け卓球

WRM has made a series of videos for 60+ year-old players (who have mobility issues)
60歳以上向け is the key word

some of my older pals were happy with those.
I thought you might find some specific tips inside

 

[Lazer]

I see that you live in a very hot country. Maybe it was the conditions your bat was stored in. Or maybe if you're friends experienced it as well, it might bw the conditions the rubbers were shipped to the country in. I've had my dignics for 5 months, and it just broke in! Ps. Dignics takes a while to become alive on an all wood blade.

And why do You think the blade makes a difference?

Cheers
L-zr

 

[PaddyPolar]

And why do You think the blade makes a difference?

Cheers
L-zr

Simple; the speed. From 5 play all wood to Ovtcharov ALC, the speed change is a lot.

Also maybe how it was glued. In my old bat, i glued it together, and i let the rubber and blade dry in the air for around 10-30 mins. But on my new bat, they dried it using a hairdryer. Maybe that manipulated the rubber to be faster.

 

[Lazer]

Simple; the speed. From 5 play all wood to Ovtcharov ALC, the speed change is a lot.

Also maybe how it was glued. In my old bat, i glued it together, and i let the rubber and blade dry in the air for around 10-30 mins. But on my new bat, they dried it using a hairdryer. Maybe that manipulated the rubber to be faster.

There is just no way the blade can matter when a rubber is broken in... (and I seriously doubt Dignics needs breaking in...)

Cheers
L-zr

and it just broke in! Ps. Dignics takes a while to become alive on an all wood blade.

 

[NextLevel]

irregular drills largely a waste of time?? !!! I Don't agree with that, everything has it's time and place. But practice games and points where everything is irregular is real life scenario!!!

Yes. Everything has its time and place. If your point is that OP needs to play third ball against any return from his coach without knowing the return and that is the irregular drill, I agree with you. The push or flick or loop can go anywhere and OP has to play the point out. But usually being able to consistently attack passive returns to anywhere on the table no matter who produces them is the first step in thirdball confidence. My main point though is that no matter how irregular, it needs to be tied to introducing your weapons earlier and earlier in the point and tted to solving issues that are costing you points.

Another thing that is often underestimated when practicing third ball is the need to move your attack around. Practicing hitting the corners and the middle for every return to understand what you can do with the ball is very important for understanding spin and building confidence in case your opponent starts waiting on a return.

 

[NextLevel]

@NextLevel
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=60歳以上向け卓球

WRM has made a series of videos for 60+ year-old players (who have mobility issues)
60歳以上向け is the key word

some of my older pals were happy with those.
I thought you might find some specific tips inside

I have been a fan of that series for a while. It has been a struggle to find the playlist for the videos so I appreciate that link.

 

[NextLevel]

I agree with your assessment. A lot of what I'm getting caught out on are balls going directly to my middle. I'm also using all arm on my loops, so the power transfer is something I really have to focus on.

I can see if I can get some recordings if I go to league this week.

If you are being caught with balls directly to your middle, then you are probably serving/looping to easy points on the table and not using sidespin to your advantage. It is extremely hard for a good sidespin serve (whether side or side back) to be returned with precision to your middle, same with a good topspin loop. The problem of course with a good sidespin serve is that you need to practice the third ball so you don't miss off the side of the table or into the net because you have not figured out how to compensate on passive returns. If balls are catching you in the middle on the rally, again, this is usually more about the placement if your ball and the pressure the quality is placing on the opponent.

It is normal for better players to be able to have more time and more control to place balls better against you. But my philosophy is to make the first ball count in terms of placement and that tends to reduce what the opponent can do against you. You can't be in control all the time, but when you get a ball that you have time to play, you have to be very deliberate about what you intend to do with it. This is how your level gets easily better - by expanding the kinds of balls you learn to control and expanding the kinds of balls you learn to precisely place with power/spin to limit what the opponent can do without falling into disadvantage.

 

[PaddyPolar]

There is just no way the blade can matter when a rubber is broken in... (and I seriously doubt Dignics needs breaking in...)

Cheers
L-zr

I don't know what happened with my bat to be honest. I went camping and i bought my bat with me(they had tt facilities there) and at the place, my bat suddenly felt fast. At the time, i thought, "oh thats just because of the atmosphere"(they had very loud music on and the tables were slanted and the ball was really worn out).

But when I came back to my club, i had a headache and i couldnt play well at all. So i came back 3 days later and i warmed up with this person, and my bat felt really fast! I kept on over hitting just like i did at the camp. It felt like the sponge was engaging much more easily and i could really feel the speed of Dignics.

Then i went on holiday to Taiwan and bought another bat there. Ovtcharov ALC with D09c on fh and D05 on bh. Same rubber set up as previously. When i tried it out, it felt just like my previous bat after my camping.

This is why i assumed it was the blade that made the difference. But now that i ponder more into it, i find more and more ways that anything could have affected it. Could it be the atmosphere? Could it be the temperature? Could it be the humidity? Could it be the way it was glued? Could it be me? I have no idea.

Why would Dignics feel different now. It had gone through phases in the past(weird, i know, but its butterfly so we dont judge) such as when i first put the protective sheets on my backhand, it felt really fast, similar to this. But that feeling went away in a week.

I thought, with my amount of play(8+ hours a week) for 5 months, Dignics would have broken in, which some people reported it needed doing. And i do recall my bat not feeling super fast, which i was prepared for due to my research beforehand hand about the rubber.

I don't know what happened. Maybe some other people can help find out for me. I have included as much detail as i can here. But as of now, i just believe that Dignics took 5 months of intensive play to break in, an that was due to the blade being slow(doesn't really make sense, i know). But now I've got a new bat, and Dignics feels like it should do.

 

[Lazer]

I don't know what happened with my bat to be honest. I went camping and i bought my bat with me(they had tt facilities there) and at the place, my bat suddenly felt fast. At the time, i thought, "oh thats just because of the atmosphere"(they had very loud music on and the tables were slanted and the ball was really worn out).

But when I came back to my club, i had a headache and i couldnt play well at all. So i came back 3 days later and i warmed up with this person, and my bat felt really fast! I kept on over hitting just like i did at the camp. It felt like the sponge was engaging much more easily and i could really feel the speed of Dignics.

Then i went on holiday to Taiwan and bought another bat there. Ovtcharov ALC with D09c on fh and D05 on bh. Same rubber set up as previously. When i tried it out, it felt just like my previous bat after my camping.

This is why i assumed it was the blade that made the difference. But now that i ponder more into it, i find more and more ways that anything could have affected it. Could it be the atmosphere? Could it be the temperature? Could it be the humidity? Could it be the way it was glued? Could it be me? I have no idea.

Why would Dignics feel different now. It had gone through phases in the past(weird, i know, but its butterfly so we dont judge) such as when i first put the protective sheets on my backhand, it felt really fast, similar to this. But that feeling went away in a week.

I thought, with my amount of play(8+ hours a week) for 5 months, Dignics would have broken in, which some people reported it needed doing. And i do recall my bat not feeling super fast, which i was prepared for due to my research beforehand hand about the rubber.

I don't know what happened. Maybe some other people can help find out for me. I have included as much detail as i can here. But as of now, i just believe that Dignics took 5 months of intensive play to break in, an that was due to the blade being slow(doesn't really make sense, i know). But now I've got a new bat, and Dignics feels like it should do.

It's You my friend, it happens to me all the time. One day the timing is perfect... WOW... the next day it's a bit off... GAAAHH...,
thats all it takes...

Cheers
L-zr

 

[JeffM]

Today I went to train with my partner.
I have moved up in my position in my job so things are more stressful and I have not had a good sleep last night as I finished 11pm, and then back to work 8:30am today. Then after work, drove straight to the neighbour town.

I did some good forehands, and the first box of backhand open up were pretty good. But then I asked him to push fast and deep, and I have alot more trouble opening up those. Perhaps I am tired, I am not moving as well, and I am just missing the balls completely. Then when I do contact the ball, the success rate is quite low. It was frustrating, almost like I am losing focus due to tiredness and my legs not wanting to move. And makes me question whether I am doing something wrong with the opening against deep pushes.
(Do you guys have suggestions for these open ups?)

Then I tried his blade which has the dignics 09c, and I am having quite good speed with my loops in my fh. I tried pushing with it, and it was fine.

I am ready to rest.. even typing this is a bit of a struggle.

But I am excited to get the rubber onto my fh this weekend.

 

[blahness]

Today I went to train with my partner.
I have moved up in my position in my job so things are more stressful and I have not had a good sleep last night as I finished 11pm, and then back to work 8:30am today. Then after work, drove straight to the neighbour town.

I did some good forehands, and the first box of backhand open up were pretty good. But then I asked him to push fast and deep, and I have alot more trouble opening up those. Perhaps I am tired, I am not moving as well, and I am just missing the balls completely. Then when I do contact the ball, the success rate is quite low. It was frustrating, almost like I am losing focus due to tiredness and my legs not wanting to move. And makes me question whether I am doing something wrong with the opening against deep pushes.
(Do you guys have suggestions for these open ups?)

Then I tried his blade which has the dignics 09c, and I am having quite good speed with my loops in my fh. I tried pushing with it, and it was fine.

I am ready to rest.. even typing this is a bit of a struggle.

But I am excited to get the rubber onto my fh this weekend.

Everyone has their own way of dealing with it. But for me, deep fast pushes have to be taken early with an open blade angle, otherwise you'll have to retreat from the table if you use the same late timing on opening loops. You have to use close to 0 arm backswing, and power it directly with your fingers and weight transfer timed perfectly. This is how Harimoto does it for the most part and also Darko Jorgic's BH (he does the late timing stuff on his FH). For me it's part about defending my position at the table. Taking it later sucks imo because you end up having to powerloop from mid distance and then opponent can just block you down. Too much effort for little reward imo. Early timing puts the pressure on the opponent and you can do nastier stuff on the second ball like switching it down the line Harimoto style.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Quiz:
- Find the Intruders at All-Japan national championships 全日本選手権.
There is a qualification event in every prefecture (here is Tokyo)
- Do you recognize some players ?

In the same event, famous YouTuber "Tokkun" (and doubles Shakaijin champion) with his partner amazingly against the Yoshimura bros...

only to lose the next match, so he won't be seen in the main event

nobody cared to play the game. it's Kyoka IDESAWA, the team junior world champ playing on the table behind.

I spoke to her before her matches and told her I was her fan and she smiled politely. but I didn't impress her (or anyone) much with my TT skills afterwards, lol...

 

[JeffM]

nobody cared to play the game. it's Kyoka IDESAWA, the team junior world champ playing on the table behind.

I spoke to her before her matches and told her I was her fan and she smiled politely. but I didn't impress her (or anyone) much with my TT skills afterwards, lol...

I did take a look but couldn't recognise anyone there.
Also the shaking of the floor makes it quite hard to watch, which is a common issue for compeitions held in sports hall with wooden floor.

 

[blahness]

I might have accidentally discovered a way to execute the sideunderspin chiquita (nomuta?!) in a more controlled way. It's actually kinda simple, just think of it as the reverse action as a BH pendulum serve. So the key difference between the BH chiquita and this sideunderspin chiquita is that the body rotation is clockwise in standard chiquita and anticlockwise in the sideunderspin chiquita. Depending on where the ball is contacted and how the fingers are used it can still produce a sidetopspin version lol.

I discovered this while I was fooling around with doing BH pendulum serves, strawberries and all sorts of weird strokes. Haha.

Though, this shot is a lot weaker than the standard chiquita and produces a kinda slow ball. Not sure how useful it can be...

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

I might have accidentally discovered a way to execute the sideunderspin chiquita (nomuta?!) in a more controlled way. It's actually kinda simple, just think of it as the reverse action as a BH pendulum serve. So the key difference between the BH chiquita and this sideunderspin chiquita is that the body rotation is clockwise in standard chiquita and anticlockwise in the sideunderspin chiquita. Depending on where the ball is contacted and how the fingers are used it can still produce a sidetopspin version lol.

I discovered this while I was fooling around with doing BH pendulum serves, strawberries and all sorts of weird strokes. Haha.

Though, this shot is a lot weaker than the standard chiquita and produces a kinda slow ball. Not sure how useful it can be...

I am confused about this post. Never heard about "nomura"

There is chiquita, and also gyaku-chiquita, also called "myuta" which is also done with BH but anti-clockwise. This is a shot that you see often Miyu Kato, Mima Ito, or Simon Gauzy execute (among others).

Both chiquita or myuta - not only myuta- can be executed with topspin or backspin. I've managed to execute this shot myself a few times. it's about contacting the ball under the ball instead of the side, and perhaps use more wrist / raise the elbow a bit more. [my main problem with chiquita is moving quickly to the ball, less than the motion itself]

btw in the doubles match that i just posted, one of our opponent (the thinner guy) receives several times with backspin chiquita when i serve. My partners' block drops to the net.

 

[blahness]

I am confused about this post. Never heard about "nomura"

There is chiquita, and also gyaku-chiquita, also called "myuta" which is also done with BH but anti-clockwise. This is a shot that you see often Miyu Kato, Mima Ito, or Simon Gauzy execute (among others).

Both chiquita or myuta - not only myuta- can be executed with topspin or backspin. I've managed to execute this shot myself a few times. it's about contacting the ball under the ball instead of the side, and perhaps use more wrist / raise the elbow a bit more. [my main problem with chiquita is moving quickly to the ball, less than the motion itself]

btw in the doubles match that i just posted, one of our opponent (the thinner guy) receives several times with backspin chiquita when i serve. My partners' block drops to the net.

It's like a term from WRM describing the sideunderspin chiquita lol... it curves the same way as the chiquita except it has backspin on it.

Previously I was doing it with the same body rotation as the chiquita, now I'm simply doing it the opposite way which I think is easier to control. But with this it doesn't look like the chiquita anymore but a weird shot of its own.

Idk how to better describe it other than the exact time reversed movement of a BH pendulum serve or a BH strawberry (myuta?).

 

[JeffM]

Hi Blahness, I am intrigued by the side underspin chiquita but quite confused by the description of it. Do you have a short clip of you executing it?

 

[blahness]

Hi Blahness, I am intrigued by the side underspin chiquita but quite confused by the description of it. Do you have a short clip of you executing it?

Lol I might record a small clip next time

 

[blahness]

Played against my combination penholder opponent yesterday and pretty much lost all the deciding sets in all best of 5s ugh. At least i made it close. The funny thing is that he was afraid of my short receive especially chiquita and kept serving fast long. I was also afraid of his short receive with the pips or inverted, and also served fast long most of the time. What a weird meta...

We also did quite a bit of training. I finally found the feeling of short push with my setup! He was serving short sidetopspin / sideunderspin with both BH and FH pendulum and I could double/triple bounce all of them with my FH push. So the key was as per Fang Bo's tutorial, you can't use the wrist or fingers too much to brush explosively, it has to be a slower movement for max control. Previously I liked to add a lot of spin with my wrist/fingers which is what made it unstable. I also tried the sidetopspin push and it works too, but much harder to triple bounce because of the topspin. It was so easy to flick for the opponent too. I think the applications would be limited.

No need to go back to 09c I guess now that I got my short push back

The other drill was him blocking whole table with his TPB block and I was looping at him kinda high intensity. It felt good but it was really hard to keep up! I saw some of the pros do this so easily lol 😆 Didn't even last like 10-20 mins of this, just too exhausting. But somehow, when I was blocking for him for his FH loop, it was as if it could last forever....Guy really has a very small stroke effective FH loop. I also figured out how to stable block - less is more in the block, i just had to place my bat up and not move it, and press down with the thumb during contact.