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Try sticky protector sheets. I use those on 09c ro restore or increase tack.
I did, but it doesn't even last a full session.
My latest is from Global Sports Store on AE, and I've bought a few more orange sponges. I won't open them for a while but if they turn out to be lemons then if I remember I'll report about it.

FWIW my Provincial is dark colored, isn't very reflective and it's almost not tacky at all. Maybe it'll hold the ball for 0.2s. I was disappointed when I touched it the first time, but it plays extremely well. Spin on serves and brushed loops is stupid. The production date is 2025-12, so it's quite old. Were yours older?
I don't remember the dates. I actually have 2 sheets of provincial coming as well from AliE, one from Global Sports Store and one from Table Tennis World Store. I got a sheet of H3 OS from Global Sports Store in May and that was pretty good, I just figured out that I don't like the OS on FH, so hoping they have good stock of H3N BS as well.

In the meantime, I'm gonna try out the Rxton 9 and see if it can be a reasonable substitute. The Rxton 9 Pro sucked, so next up is trying the regular Rxton 9 national.
 
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I am really, really impressed by the Rozena! It really is a much easier Tenergy (I knew that already) but it's so versatile, too... Great for punches, blocks, drives all while keeping the ball well under control. And when I spin, it spins. It really is everything I need in a BH rubber. For me it combines the best bits of Rakza 7 and Fastarc C1 and puts a very pleasant feeling on top of that.

The Glayzer FH, I'm not convinced yet. I kinda regret not getting Rozena on both sides, but Glayzer is a step closer to what I need than what Fastarc G1 was. They're not all too different tbh but Glayzer seems to be a little bit more predictable.
The topsheet is great. Serve is instinctively easy to get the desired placement and spin on. I even did a few reverse pendulum which didn't completely suck. A little bit breaking in of the sponge would be helpful for me.

I'm having a little trouble with too open bat angles (on both sides) but for now I'll attribute it to not having played for a couple of weeks.
 
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I did, but it doesn't even last a full session.

I don't remember the dates. I actually have 2 sheets of provincial coming as well from AliE, one from Global Sports Store and one from Table Tennis World Store. I got a sheet of H3 OS from Global Sports Store in May and that was pretty good, I just figured out that I don't like the OS on FH, so hoping they have good stock of H3N BS as well.

In the meantime, I'm gonna try out the Rxton 9 and see if it can be a reasonable substitute. The Rxton 9 Pro sucked, so next up is trying the regular Rxton 9 national.
If you're okay with non-Neo and 2.15mm, you can buy H3 P BS for quite a bit cheaper from Global Sports Store.
 
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I did, but it doesn't even last a full session.

I don't remember the dates. I actually have 2 sheets of provincial coming as well from AliE, one from Global Sports Store and one from Table Tennis World Store. I got a sheet of H3 OS from Global Sports Store in May and that was pretty good, I just figured out that I don't like the OS on FH, so hoping they have good stock of H3N BS as well.

In the meantime, I'm gonna try out the Rxton 9 and see if it can be a reasonable substitute. The Rxton 9 Pro sucked, so next up is trying the regular Rxton 9 national.
How long did tou let the sheets marinate for? I guess they must have been really crappy.
 
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How long did tou let the sheets marinate for? I guess they must have been really crappy.
A few days, yea they're pretty bad.

You do you. I found it fine. Boosts just as well as anything else ie: 3.0 O per 1 layer.
Hmm, I guess I tried it on OS neo vs non-neo before, haven't tried it on the BS versions. Also not sure if softness correlates with play since I didn't measure hardness at the time and just felt they don't play the same. Either way I'm not too concerned about the price, I just want good, consistent topsheet.
 
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I am curious if it would be any different for the player edition versions. Sure they are more expensive but tbh I don't mind as much when the boost dies so long as the topsheet remains shiny and sticky, it takes a lot to kill a good H3 topsheet and I don't hit anywhere near hard enough consistently to bubble the topsheet. Meanwhile the matte topsheets do not even feel like H3 at all to me, to the extent that I'd rather use something like Turbo Orange even though its a brick. I bought a handful of sheets of national Neo bluesponge between '24-'25 and have had to bin near half of them by now because the topsheets were hot garbage. I can play fine with most new gen Euro hybrids, I'm getting along fine with Trinity Dynamic atm, but nothing beats the spin and safety of a good H3 topsheet
Idk, I've only had 1 player edition H3N BS but it came with a blade I purchased 2nd hand. It was oxidized to hell so can't say how it would've been had it been taken care of.

Of note, the variations appear to only be on the blue sponge versions. Even when they're not garbage there was still variations in topsheet tackiness. I've bought a number of orange sponge versions, mostly red sheets but a couple black sheets as well, and the tackiness and appearance were very consistent.
 
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Starting to consistently punish heavy long top/side serves again. The main key for me is backswinging above the table and not being afraid of it. A lot of lower rated players don't really have a gameplan other than "serve heavy and deep", so it's good to get outright winners off them.

Also getting my backhand flick back; I couldn't flick even topspin until just a short while ago because my posture and mechanics were so messed up. Changing to an extremely compliant rubber may also be part of it.

Sometimes I chickenwing a bit on counterloops and it's pretty rare it adds anything to the shot and doesn't fuck it up, so I might need to also pay attention to that specifically. Anyone decent will just put away a shit loop especially from mid distance.

Still nonstop bad tactical decisions and questionable lack of aggression at times so I tend to throw away sets which are there for the taking, but I'm not pressed about it.

Part of it might be psychological, because I've started beating some players who consider themselves superior and they're not keen to play me anymore, and I'd like to keep having people to play with who aren't my dedicated partner, but I guess eventually the brakes need to come off. I'm doing stupid shit like netting my serve if I get a lucky point prior and so on.
 
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Starting to consistently punish heavy long top/side serves again. The main key for me is backswinging above the table and not being afraid of it. A lot of lower rated players don't really have a gameplan other than "serve heavy and deep", so it's good to get outright winners off them.

Also getting my backhand flick back; I couldn't flick even topspin until just a short while ago because my posture and mechanics were so messed up. Changing to an extremely compliant rubber may also be part of it.

Sometimes I chickenwing a bit on counterloops and it's pretty rare it adds anything to the shot and doesn't fuck it up, so I might need to also pay attention to that specifically. Anyone decent will just put away a shit loop especially from mid distance.

Still nonstop bad tactical decisions and questionable lack of aggression at times so I tend to throw away sets which are there for the taking, but I'm not pressed about it.

Part of it might be psychological, because I've started beating some players who consider themselves superior and they're not keen to play me anymore, and I'd like to keep having people to play with who aren't my dedicated partner, but I guess eventually the brakes need to come off. I'm doing stupid shit like netting my serve if I get a lucky point prior and so on.
Yes, not dropping the racket is super important in receiving long topspin serves. It's not that different from close to the table counterloops. Also, as it relates to counterloops, it's actually better to chicken wing it when close to the table. You usually just don't have the time to do a full backswing.

Recently I've been focusing on reworking the fundamentals of FH and BH drives/loops with my new coach, and I think we've made a ton of progress there. I don't have time for another lesson for a few weeks so in the meantime I'm working on a few things on my own:

1) Grip change to hold further up the racket. I've been doing this a little bit here and there over the years, but this time I'm planning to fully change it so it's more like where the pros hold the racket. This change allows for much more consistent contact, but it's a tough habit to change.

2) Work on footwork on the BH side and going forward with the stroke, especially against backspins. This habit has been surprisingly difficult to kick. I tend to just wait for the ball instead of moving to the ball, and I tend to loop up and to the side instead more forward. This really, really limits my strike zone on the BH side. I seem to be able to do it in practice, but it's been surprisingly difficult to translate it into games unlike my other BH technique changes. I think what I need to do is to just focus on BH shots for every shot.

3) I've developed a new method to practice BH loops, which has been super helpful. When practicing with my practice partner, I'd start by first just hitting the ball with minimal power and spin, basically trying to lob the ball back except with the goal of keeping it low. It's basically arm only, and the goal is to just find the correct timing, contact, and relaxation/acceleration sequence. Once I can do 10 in a row, I would move on to doing the same but add footwork and body usage. Once I can do that 10 times in a row then I start adding a bit of spin without losing the thick contact. After that, I gradually increasing power each time I reach 10 landed shots in a row. This gradual, systematic approach has produced far superior results than before.
 
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Yes, not dropping the racket is super important in receiving long topspin serves. It's not that different from close to the table counterloops. Also, as it relates to counterloops, it's actually better to chicken wing it when close to the table. You usually just don't have the time to do a full backswing.
It's basically a counterloop close to table. I have time to do a full backswing although you don't need a lot because the spin and pace on the ball is halfway there.

I also don't take them right on the bounce, I stand a little bit further backward and let it travel a bit more. They're most of the time winners so I don't think I really need the extra pace from taking it off the bounce, because I'm not able to do it every time. If I try I will usually misjudge the landing depth just a little, or be way too conservative in the actual swing. Ironically playing it safer allows me to perform a much stronger shot.

However what I mean with chickenwing is the elbow raising up and to the side before contact. The racket angle changes towards fade and closed. Probably half the time I'll hit the ball on the edge when that happens.
 
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I am really, really impressed by the Rozena! It really is a much easier Tenergy (I knew that already) but it's so versatile, too... Great for punches, blocks, drives all while keeping the ball well under control. And when I spin, it spins. It really is everything I need in a BH rubber. For me it combines the best bits of Rakza 7 and Fastarc C1 and puts a very pleasant feeling on top of that.

The Glayzer FH, I'm not convinced yet. I kinda regret not getting Rozena on both sides, but Glayzer is a step closer to what I need than what Fastarc G1 was. They're not all too different tbh but Glayzer seems to be a little bit more predictable.
The topsheet is great. Serve is instinctively easy to get the desired placement and spin on. I even did a few reverse pendulum which didn't completely suck. A little bit breaking in of the sponge would be helpful for me.

I'm having a little trouble with too open bat angles (on both sides) but for now I'll attribute it to not having played for a couple of weeks.
Rozena is really an underrated rubber in that regard. Its hardness is only 1 degree below Tenergy, and the topsheet seems somewhat similar to somewhere the 80 in feel I find. I think it has spin somewhere around the 80, and speed slightly below the 05, which overall is still a plenty fast and spinny rubber.
 
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Rozena is really an underrated rubber in that regard. Its hardness is only 1 degree below Tenergy, and the topsheet seems somewhat similar to somewhere the 80 in feel I find. I think it has spin somewhere around the 80, and speed slightly below the 05, which overall is still a plenty fast and spinny rubber.
Have you used Dignics 05 on the backhand, and how would you compare the Rozena to it if you have? I liked Dignics a lot, but it was a touch too rapid for what I need. The spin quality was really nice, though, even on a worn sheet.
 
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Have you used Dignics 05 on the backhand, and how would you compare the Rozena to it if you have? I liked Dignics a lot, but it was a touch too rapid for what I need. The spin quality was really nice, though, even on a worn sheet.
If you're looking for a Dignics-lite you should consider Glayzer, Rozena is more like nerfed Tenergy
 
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If you're looking for a Dignics-lite you should consider Glayzer, Rozena is more like nerfed Tenergy
Maybe I'll need to try both. Cost isn't really a huge issue (although paying less is always better :) ) but Dignics and Tenergy are more than what I need and probably more than optimal. Moon Speed S what I use currently is adequate, but I need to change at some point.

That being said I think my issue with Dignics wasn't the catapult as much as it was the sponge hardness; my backhand has probably 1/3 of the power my forehand has, and while it's developing, it's a while off before I can really use a 45+ sponge to loop backspin reliably and so on.

Rozena should be about 41 in Shore O depending on how progressive it is, while Glayzer should be 43. I measured Dignics 80 as 46, which is supposed to have the same sponge as 05.

Right now mine is 41. So the sweetspot for the future might be 43; so I might give Glayzer a try first. :)
 
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