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Yeah to me it just feels like 09c is both faster and spinnier especially for BH. Even the control is pretty similar to me with both rubbers, and the throw of 8-80 is ok but there’s something special about that 09c throw angleYep, I would not say worse per se, more like just more controlled haha but i understand where the worse comes from, less speed, bit less speed, and more difficult to activate overall. I do enjoy the lower throw on it and the priceD09c is a great rubber anyways!