Dignics 05 backhand alternative

[Reicrem]

Hi everyone I am an advanced forehand dominant player, I love Dignics 05 for my backhand on my viscaria but I encounter huge struggles with the spin sensitiveness (especially for returns) of the rubber. I tried rakza Z because I loved it back when I was an intermediate player but unfortunately it is way too slow/dead for me now.

Could you help me find an alternative not too far away from the performance of D05 but less spin sensitive ? (Nuzn 55/50 ? / Joola rubber ? / others ?)

Thank you very much !

 

[Tinykin]

Zyre 03, 2.5mm

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

Straightforward answer but Dignics 80

 

[po-stit]

Tibhar Hybrid MK / MK Pro

 

[kapahoo]

Nittaku Hammond z2.

The D05 is supposed to be non spin sensitive rubber though...

 

[SorryForTheEdge]

Have you tried dignics 09c? If it's too slow, you can use one layer of booster.

 

[Reicrem]

Have you tried dignics 09c? If it's too slow, you can use one layer of booster.

Yes I tried I quite liked it but a bit too hard for my liking

 

[Reicrem]

Nittaku Hammond z2.

The D05 is supposed to be non spin sensitive rubber though...

Damn ? I never heard that before

 

[mocker88]

Joola - Dynaryz Inferno is nice...

 

[Zezima]

D80 has extra power built into the sponge and is softer than d09c.

But.. "spin sensitiveness (especially for returns)" This sounds a skill issue you can't really fix with rubbers but by training receive with your backhand more. Or you go for a slower rubber but then don't complain its slow..

 

[Julzig]

Damn ? I never heard that before

For me, both D05 and Hammond Z2 have good grip.
Z2 maybe a few percentages less sensitive to spin. But I also wouldn't consider D05 bad in this aspect in the first place.

 

[Creek]

Always funny to read, that one of the spinniest rubber out there (d05) are called „spin-insensitive“…
You are mixing up hardness, catapult and spin-capability.
A rubber that has a high spin capability can produce a lot Spin AND is very sensitive to spin, which is just a logic consequence.
A high catapult effect will strengthen this sensitivity in perception, as the ball will also be pushed long more easy.
The hardness of the sponge on the other hand also plays a role in perception here. Harder sponges usually are more linear and therefore seem to be less sensitive on low impact shots.

To visualize this with an example:
Think of a spinnt slow loop and you block openly by just Holding the racket in a 90 deg angle without movement with the following rubbers: t05, d05, d09c
Height of blocked ball: d09c > d05 > t05
Length of blocked ball: t05 > d05 > d09c

In terms of SPIN sensitivity, t05 is the lowest, but a lot of people mix this up, as their block will go too long due to the CATAPULT.

For Short receives it is the same. T05s catapult makes it hard the receive spinny serves short compared the d09c, but d09c makes receiving harder, as the spin needs to be read better.

Long Story short: If you struggle with reading spin, do not think about hybrids or other very spinny rubbers!

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

D05 dammit! It's as if God had a say in the design itself. God rubber. Celestial gift from the heavens!

 

[Hurricane AON]

Chinese rubber can do everything if skillful

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

work on your technique. D05 is a very good rubber.
Whatever rubber you have, you must:

1) learn how to read spin

2) not commit too early ! force yourself not to make a move before the 1st bounce. EVEN IF it seems like you already know where the ball will be going. Else you'll misread the spin, the placement and the trajectory.

3) [while its true that its easier to keep receive short if you take the ball at the bounce, but to do so you must have read the spin, else its a pop-up or a net miss, or the ball is out. ] wait just AFTER the top of the bounce to receive. You give a bit more time to the opponent but you'll read the spin better and put more quality in your receive. Focus on quality, on replacement after your receive to play 4th ball and placement by watching where your opponent is and try to surprise him if if commits too early
4) protect yourself against long serves by not standing too close from the table. Leave the size of one racket between your own racket and the end of the table

That being said, personally i prefer D80 to D05 on BH because its a harder rubber and easier to put my own spin. PS. I'm a BH oriented player. much stronger in BH diagonal. Because you say you're a FH oriented player I think D05 may be easier for you in BH, easier to loop against backspin but higher arc, but D80 is an excellent choice as well.

 

[NextLevel]

D80, D64 and with some caveats, Z03. D80 would definitely be my first choice, it handles passive play better than D05 but because it is an 80, many players skip it to their own detriment.

 

[NextLevel]

That being said, personally i prefer D80 to D05 on BH because its a harder rubber and easier to put my own spin. PS. I'm a BH oriented player. much stronger in BH diagonal. Because you say you're a FH oriented player I think D05 may be easier for you in BH, easier to loop against backspin but higher arc, but D80 is an excellent choice as well.

D05 is the harder rubber - just for clarity. The 05 pimple structure is harder and gives more arc than the 80 pimple structure, but this makes the 80 pimple structure easier to block with and facilitates all round play with 80.

 

[disaster3]

D80 and D64 again if D05 is too sensitive. I'm testing it now on my both Viscarias. One setup is D05+D64 another D05+D80. Both setups are quite similar weights 187.8 and 188.8 grams.
I like D05 very much and this is not that I can't handle it on my BH, I'm BH oriented player, but this is just my curiosity whether D80 or D64 might be better
Indeed D80 is the safest option, is not such spin sensitive and has less catapult compering to D64 or D05. You also need to play more active to achieve what you get from D05 or D64.
I was playing longer with D05+D64 and just once (because it fresh setup) with D80, this was my first impression so far.
My friend told me that I was better with D80 in matches so it was different to my thoughts after the session.
Work in progress but I really like both of them.

 

[mocker88]

I really think that you need to be practicing how to receive incoming spin. There's no rubber that gives you these properties and adapts to what you want it to do. The best way is to train hard and learn offensive/defensive technique and find a rubber/blade that gives you the best of what you need but with as little as possible of what you don't want. There's always just plus and minus, so if you get a fast and spinny rubber there will be a lot of plus, but also a lot of minus. Search and find your perfect mix

 

[Eric…]

Always funny to read, that one of the spinniest rubber out there (d05) are called „spin-insensitive“…

Add a 'relatively speaking' disclaimer if needed then, but it's true, relative to most things a decent player might be using instead, D05 can handle incoming spin and power quite well. To the OP, I would try D80.