dignics 09c vs dignics 05

[sebi]

Nobody knows what rubber is best for you if we don´t know you lvl or can see your technique. Just because you say something does not make it true. Self perception and the perception others might have could be very different.
What do you mean by consitent? You can hit powerful shots even with a Mark V or rozena

 

[sebi]

I read the thread again and i think you are going the wrong way. I would like to know your coach. If you can´t loop with h3 you should not go to DIgnics, service recive will be to hard/impossibel for you. Normaler glaycer is a lot easier to use, but i don´t know if its easy to do service recive is has a lot of grip but not as bouncy so might be easier.
For looping pretty much every modern rubber is consistent in what it does. I think you should go wit a normal glaycer on forehand and rozena maybe on backhand. You should train and get better at service recieve before you even think about Dignics.

 

[Angerer]

So would you recommend,. d09c or d0? to be more consistent in fh and bh? as long as loop isnt like super hard to do against hewavy backspin.

I don't get the "consistency" question. I think every premium rubber is consistent.
I would not recommend playing Dignics unless your technique is solid and you practice with a coach--you need to work hard for solid spin/power with D09C, and you need good feeling to handle the quick and powerful rubber that D05 is.
D80 is frankly more user-friendly for that matter, especially on backhand. Both Glayzer 09C and normal Glayzer have superb control, but you might have trouble finishing points.

 

[ripctt2]

I don't get the "consistency" question. I think every premium rubber is consistent.
I would not recommend playing Dignics unless your technique is solid and you practice with a coach--you need to work hard for solid spin/power with D09C, and you need good feeling to handle the quick and powerful rubber that D05 is.
D80 is frankly more user-friendly for that matter, especially on backhand. Both Glayzer 09C and normal Glayzer have superb control, but you might have trouble finishing points.

Yea i practice with a coach. Im just not sure since i felt that d64 felt quite good compared to my normal racket so like obciously pimple structure is different for every dignics rubber so i just wasnt sure. Since i felt i could handle it and i played with it in a game. A bit mnore getting used to with it on my bh, it would be good for me. Also when i said i felt it hard to loop with h3, its unboosted commercial so like pretty sure its like rlly hard with no catapult. He told me to find faster racket so thats what im doing =)
edit: consistent as in its easy to hit the talb elike most times. its consistent to play shots on the table. I usually play aggresive sometimes passive if like i need to block but i want to hit winning points.

 

[sebi]

Bad coach in my opinion, don´t get a faster racket get a softer rubber. H3 unboosted is not to hard to loop with, my brother has it on 5 ply wood blade and i can generate fast and spinny loops no problem. Get a Rozena or normal Glaycer they are both faster and softer, rozena being the softer on. And get a faster blade does not mean get the fastest, alc blade with any dignics is a rocket.

 

[ripctt2]

Bad coach in my opinion, don´t get a faster racket get a softer rubber. H3 unboosted is not to hard to loop with, my brother has it on 5 ply wood blade and i can generate fast and spinny loops no problem. Get a Rozena or normal Glaycer they are both faster and softer, rozena being the softer on. And get a faster blade does not mean get the fastest, alc blade with any dignics is a rocket.

Bruh saying my coach is bad is actual just mean. and i legit searched online unboosted hurricane has low catapult and hard to loop with. so i dont understand where that came from.

 

[sebi]

No a coach can´t just tell you to get a faster set up and leave you completly alone with the choice he should guide you or just give you rubbers that fit.
You are arguing for my position, if you can´t loop h3 because its difficult for you dignics will be to fast for you.
Still going for the fastest set up is still wrong and to expensive for someone who can´t read serves. You will not the performance from the rubber that you pay for with dignics.

I know very good coaches who coached the likes of Benedikt Duda or Cedrick Nuytinck as teenager. They will not tell you to just get a faster set up, they will have something in mind or give you a good set up for you.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Borrowing your post for a side question. I was using H3 for FH and Battle 2 for BH. both rubbers were unboosted commercial. Now using G1 max on both FH and BH. The transition was good, and I think G1 is easier to play with. I have no complaint and don't think I need to change. But I also wonder, G1 was released like 10 years ago, is it outdated to today's game? Is there any other rubbers (with similar price and durability) that are considered an upgrade to G1?

G1 is one of the most sold rubbers in the semi pro space here by me (Taiwan)
and I'm talking about players training more than 30 hours a week and changing rubbers more than monthly.
so if it is good enough for them, it is good enough for everyone else.
so no, it is not outdated.

 

[XpingpingpongpongX]

G1 is one of the most sold rubbers in the semi pro space here by me (Taiwan)
and I'm talking about players training more than 30 hours a week and changing rubbers more than monthly.
so if it is good enough for them, it is good enough for everyone else.
so no, it is not outdated.

thanks. So unless there is any rule change to the ball or equipment. I think I am set for the next 20 years at least.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

thanks. So unless there is any rule change to the ball or equipment. I think I am set for the next 20 years at least.

mark v is still selling well in Japan,
so
yes? haha

G1 is the second best selling rubber in Japan
better than Tenergy and Dignics

 

[Tyce]

Bruh saying my coach is bad is actual just mean. and i legit searched online unboosted hurricane has low catapult and hard to loop with. so i dont understand where that came from.

Nothing mean about it. Good chance your coach just doesn't know Chinese rubber or doesn't want to work with it. Rather than being ignorant and suggesting a faster racket he could have actually put in effort.

But given the level of your replies thus far, where you just take selective bits of information, constantly get defensive and don't seem to want to think about the ideas and suggestions that have been given to you (and there are a lot!) I think I understand where your coach is coming from. Put in some effort and you might actually get something useful back.

 

[XpingpingpongpongX]

I can consider glayzer. Like 09c or just normal? Which has more spin and is more like consistent? As long as i can hit powerful shots consistently im fine + good spin. It doesn't necessarily hav to be the easiest generation of spin. I have the power for speed and spin so im not really worried about how hard the rubber is to use.

I don't play tournaments and probably I am at a much lower level than you are. But in my opinion, if you have power, you should try some softer sponge first because your power would compensate for it. Unless you are well above 2000 rating and like to play far from the table, you don't need very hard rubber (I mean you can, just don't need). The down side of using hard rubber is, even though you have the power, you cannot put your power to the ball when you are out of time and out of position in a match.
If you go straight to expensive hard rubbers, you won't notice it's too hard for you - you would probably think it's your techniques. But if you try some medium hardness rubbers, you would know whether it's too soft. So it's a middle step worths taking.
I personally think the Butterfly rubbers are too expensive. But if this is not a concern, you can just give them a try. You and your coach should know better than people here.

 

[NetProphet]

Do you think d05 fh + d80 bh on the fzd alc is a safe option? My backhand is significantly weaker than my fh so i was thinking d80 is faster so its easier to hit the shots. and fh i will have mroe cintrol but yet still loads faster than h3. Why do some ppl say d05 is almost unplayable out of the both without boosting?

Once again, D05 on FZD ALC is not a safe option unless your a 2000+ rated player, imo.
Mave you stated your level yet?
What makes you think you'll be able to control it. It is night and day from unboosted H3 on a wooden blade

 

[ripctt2]

Once again, D05 on FZD ALC is not a safe option unless your a 2000+ rated player, imo.
Mave you stated your level yet?
What makes you think you'll be able to control it. It is night and day from unboosted H3 on a wooden blade

Intermediate: so i like never said i had to 100% use dignics, i could consider slower options. But according to ppl's suggestions, dignics is too hard/fast. so like someone suggested glayzer. like i researched glayzer, g09c someone said super slow little catapult but very spinny. glayzer is faster but has less spin. so like not sure.

 

[steve888]

Glayzer is spinny, softer than Dignics 05, so easy to produce spin. Its just softer, slower, less direct feel but a little more control less spin sensitive than Dignics 05.

The other option is Rozena - it is a little faster and little more catapult than Glayzer - entry intro into Tenergy series. Glayzer is a safe option on outer carbon blade - as you improve you can always then go up to Dignics.

 

[ripctt2]

Glayzer is spinny, softer than Dignics 05, so easy to produce spin. Its just softer, slower, less direct feel but a little more control less spin sensitive than Dignics 05.

The other option is Rozena - it is a little faster and little more catapult than Glayzer - entry intro into Tenergy series. Glayzer is a safe option on outer carbon blade - as you improve you can always then go up to Dignics.

Alright thanks. but g09c or glayzer? or should i go g09c fh and glayzer bh? or like chosose one rubebr both sdies?

 

[steve888]

I haven't used G09c, what I have heard it is slower and spinier.

 

[NetProphet]

Intermediate: so i like never said i had to 100% use dignics, i could consider slower options. But according to ppl's suggestions, dignics is too hard/fast. so like someone suggested glayzer. like i researched glayzer, g09c someone said super slow little catapult but very spinny. glayzer is faster but has less spin. so like not sure.

Can you try any of these before buying?
My experience (personal and that observed of many others) is that changing blade and rubbers at the same time almost always ends badly, as in it is almost guaranteed you will get it wrong.
You need to be absolutely sure the blade is right otherwise it will adversely affect your experience with every rubber you put on it leading to a waste of time and money.
Which is why I suggested twice already (to which you made no comment) that you use the blade with one of your old rubbers and a D80.
One of your old rubbers because it will help you adjust to and notice things about the blade, and D80 because I reckon it's the safest of the Dignics rubbers and could likely be a fit for at least one side for you.
Then, after a month or two, you can decide on what rubber to buy next

 

[ripctt2]

Can you try any of these before buying?
My experience (personal and that observed of many others) is that changing blade and rubbers at the same time almost always ends badly, as in it is almost guaranteed you will get it wrong.
Yiunneed tonne absolutely sure the blade is right otherwise it will adverse lot affect your experience with every rubber you put on it leading to a waste of time and money.
Which is why I suggested twice already (to which you made no comment) that you use the blade with one of your old rubbers and a D80.
One of your old rubbers because it will help you adjust to and notice things about the blade, and D80 because I reckon it's the safest of the Dignics rubbers and could likely be a fit for at least one sid for you.
Then, after a month or two, you can decide on what rubber to buy next

Oh my bad, it was swarmed by like other ppl's comments. Yea sure. I tired the tb alc, it has the same comp as fzd i believe and aparently its a bit faster, less dwell whic hsi why i went for fzd since it has more dwell. im not entirely sure how d64 in feeling compares to the other dignics rubbres. ive tried d09c and it felt good wasnt that fast, and it was very controllable. which is why like im consdiering dignics. ppl say like its gunna be too fast but like ive tried them all in games and used for one coaching session. and also, yes i have decided d80 on bh. but after reading some more reviews... i cant decide d05 or d80. i know d80 is better ease of use so ill rpob use that backhand. the thing is, ive used both my rubbers for a long time, and its deterioated like crazy. so thats why i want to change both at once since i cant get much spin out of my rubbres anymore. but sure ill see if any of my friends have rackets i can try.

 

[steve888]

Agree- change one thing at a time. Try on friends before purchasing is good advice.

Did you say what your original blade you were using? I think you mention the hurricane rubbers but not the blade- I may be wrong.