Dignics 80 vs Hurricane 3 Neo Provincial

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I play much better than ever with my current equipment even thought I’m not totally used to the BH yet, and I am probably just going to try and stick with 09C for as long as i Can since I already bought it and don’t want to spend any more money than i have to
My opinion is that you should try D80. I played two players who used it on backhand and I really couldn't tell the difference with D05 from their attacks. But everyone has told me it blocks better, and I could see that from the warm ups with one of them and the trajectory is slightly lower. So this will let you hit the ball with more open racket faces if that is your thing on backhand.
 
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My opinion is that you should try D80. I played two players who used it on backhand and I really couldn't tell the difference with D05 from their attacks. But everyone has told me it blocks better, and I could see that from the warm ups with one of them and the trajectory is slightly lower. So this will let you hit the ball with more open racket faces if that is your thing on backhand.
Yeah Digincs 80 sounds promising, but is it true that there is less spin than 05 and 09C from it? I also know that it is less spin sensitivity than 05 right?
 
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Yeah Digincs 80 sounds promising, but is it true that there is less spin than 05 and 09C from it? I also know that it is less spin sensitivity than 05 right?
There is technically less spin on high power strokes but what that means is an open question and given the backhand stroke is very spin oriented usually, having a less spinny rubber on backhand is not a bad thing as it supports a smaller stroke getting both spin and speed (easier to accessthan D05). Remember, ZJK used the supposedly less spinny T80 and T64 on backhand.
 
This is true, how is spin sensitivity compared to the 09C?
There is technically less spin on high power strokes but what that means is an open question and given the backhand stroke is very spin oriented usually, having a less spinny rubber on backhand is not a bad thing as it supports a smaller stroke getting both spin and speed (easier to accessthan D05). Remember, ZJK used the supposedly less spinny T80 and T64 on backhand.
 
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This is true, how is spin sensitivity compared to the 09C?
D09C is sticky so that is what determines/reduces its spin sensitivity on some shots but without the stickiness, D80 would be less spin sensitive. A lot of it depends on how you play, you aren't going to be trying to push all kinds of serves short with D80, its not the rubber for that, but if you are trying to be aggressive and counter a lot of shots with less effort, then D80 wins for sure. But that is more about stickiness and sponge hardness than about the topsheet pips configuration. You can control more spin with flat open racket angles with D80 but the lack of tack may not make it seem that way.
 
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Since I am at the level to use T05H and D05 now, which one would be better for me, especially regarding backhand loops, blocks, spin sensitivity, and short game?
T05H is a bit harder than D05, so the ball will not sink as deeply into T05H.

D80 is a good option for less spin sensitivity. It will do a good job at all aspects of the game. The high-end spin is not there, though, and you won't be able to produce the same kind of deadly power-loops that you would with T05H or H3.

If you're not someone who power-loops with the backhand, then D80 is probably the way to go. If you do want that extra power and spin at the high end, I'd go for T05H. T05H is very bouncy, but if you play with a very loose wrist (so that you don't let the ball sink into the rubber at all) then you can handle short spinny serves.
 
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T05H is a bit harder than D05, so the ball will not sink as deeply into T05H.

D80 is a good option for less spin sensitivity. It will do a good job at all aspects of the game. The high-end spin is not there, though, and you won't be able to produce the same kind of deadly power-loops that you would with T05H or H3.

If you're not someone who power-loops with the backhand, then D80 is probably the way to go. If you do want that extra power and spin at the high end, I'd go for T05H. T05H is very bouncy, but if you play with a very loose wrist (so that you don't let the ball sink into the rubber at all) then you can handle short spinny serves.
Actually d80 had really a lot of spin - not as much as d05/d09c but those are small differences and on amateur circle won’t matter that much.

It’s absolutely possible to do power loops with it - I did it a hundreds of times. And the extra speed of this rubber helps in this department. Does Mizutani can’t “power loop”? I don’t think so 🤓 It is a high end rubber in all terms - spin/speed etc - so ability to “power loop” is a matter of a technique more and d80 has all it need to have to play on highest level.

The only way is to try out this rubber - for me it works best on innerforce (Franziska/Harimoto) or cnf (Revoldia) blades.
 
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T05H is a bit harder than D05, so the ball will not sink as deeply into T05H.

D80 is a good option for less spin sensitivity. It will do a good job at all aspects of the game. The high-end spin is not there, though, and you won't be able to produce the same kind of deadly power-loops that you would with T05H or H3.

If you're not someone who power-loops with the backhand, then D80 is probably the way to go. If you do want that extra power and spin at the high end, I'd go for T05H. T05H is very bouncy, but if you play with a very loose wrist (so that you don't let the ball sink into the rubber at all) then you can handle short spinny serves.
I have played against players using D80 and have watched two respectable channels (TTD is one of them) review it. I struggle with the idea that there is something that makes D80 obviously worse from a spin perspective vs D05 and on the flip side, it is faster which means a shorter stroke has benefits. It is technically worse in spin generation sure, but these are fine margins at most levels, not something I would call out as a huge differentiator. In fact the person whose spin on third ball backhand frustrates and confuses me the most uses D80 (he uaed to do the same with D80 on forehand as well but switched because he wanted a more powerful forehand). I keep wondering where all the spin is coming from and all he does is wave at the ball. He used it on an Iolite neo on bot sides and now uses it on backhand of a ZJK ALC. All through this, his backhand topspin is still largely his heaviest quality shot.

T05h is a great rubber and I liked it when I used it. That said, the hold of T05 is not as great as Dignicis and the hard sponge requires some effort to get the ball moving on over the table spin shots. Not impossible but I would definitely recommend this for something like all wood or with a lot of dwell if you want to use it on backhand.
 
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It’s absolutely possible to do power loops with it - I did it a hundreds of times. And the extra speed of this rubber helps in this department. Does Mizutani can’t “power loop”? I don’t think so 🤓
I never said it wasn't possible to power-loop. I said that power-looping doesn't produce as much speed or spin at the high end when compared to T05H (or D05 for that matter). Mizutani is far better at power-looping than I ever will be. But his balls seem clearly to be not as dangerous/spinny as Ovtcharov's or Timo Boll's or Kristian Karlsson's.

D80 is faster which means a shorter stroke has benefits
Yeah this is a good point. D80 will make it easier to hit balls over the table, flick, etc. With T05H you have to play with a strong stroke every single time. This can make it hard to generate a lot of power for short strokes like flicks. You will probably get a better short-stroke hit with D80 unless you are absurdly strong.

But D80 definitely won't get you the same level of power-looping as a harder rubber like T05H, if you're hitting with power and good form. And I agree with @NextLevel that if you are using T05H then it will be best with an all-wood (ideally outer hardwood) blade in order to add some dwell time. On a carbon blade you will need the touch of Timo Boll to control it.
 
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I never said it wasn't possible to power-loop. I said that power-looping doesn't produce as much speed or spin at the high end when compared to T05H (or D05 for that matter).
“The high-end spin is not there, though, and you won't be able to produce the same kind of deadly power-loops that you would with T05H or H3”

High end spin is actually there, as I told already it’s a high end rubber. One of the best - fast and spiny open up backhands and loops I received from a leftie guy with d80 on it that have played in Bundesliga. And other one from our club also had super spiny fast opening with d80 both sides.

You mentioned players that just physically stronger than Mizutani (so they preferred harder rubbers) and prefer to play closer to the table or have nature abilities and touch to spin with everything like Timo either it t05hard or d05/d09c he didn’t really bother by it much.

So yes there is slight difference in spin potential but it’s absolutely not like t05 vs t80.

All dignics series besides 64 is very very capable of “high spin levels” it’s just a matter of technique. If we talking bout most amateurs - I don’t think that their even notice those minor differences. The most diff would be hardness/throw angle/speed or those rubbers.
 
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“The high-end spin is not there, though, and you won't be able to produce the same kind of deadly power-loops that you would with T05H or H3”

High end spin is actually there, as I told already it’s a high end rubber. One of the best - fast and spiny open up backhands and loops I received from a leftie guy with d80 on it that have played in Bundesliga. And other one from our club also had super spiny fast opening with d80 both sides.

You mentioned players that just physically stronger than Mizutani (so they preferred harder rubbers) and prefer to play closer to the table or have nature abilities and touch to spin with everything like Timo either it t05hard or d05/d09c he didn’t really bother by it much.

So yes there is slight difference in spin potential but it’s absolutely not like t05 vs t80.

All dignics series besides 64 is very very capable of “high spin levels” it’s just a matter of technique. If we talking bout most amateurs - I don’t think that their even notice those minor differences. The most diff would be hardness/throw angle/speed or those rubbers.
Even 64 is not terrible, it just doesn't play like the others in a noticeable way when hitting lots of topspins but I have played players who smash and do slow topspins close to the table and faster topspins or lobs away from the table who use 64 because their game is suited to softer rubber. And their spinny open ups and blocks are effective, they just don't work quite the same way as someone who is trying to produce massive spin all the time, the speed is their priority.
 
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Even 64 is not terrible, it just doesn't play like the others in a noticeable way when hitting lots of topspins but I have played players who smash and do slow topspins close to the table and faster topspins or lobs away from the table who use 64 because their game is suited to softer rubber. And their spinny open ups and blocks are effective, they just don't work quite the same way as someone who is trying to produce massive spin all the time, the speed is their priority.
Yeah, agreed, d64 is very reliable too - like there is a pro players are using it so - no doubt it can be used also on a highest level. Its just better suited for flat fast hits and fast but not so spiny loops kinda style. But i know a players that play really descent with it on both sides. What i recognized that they try to overwhelm you by the speed and i tend to block their openings in to the net - because i used to more spiny ones. But damn those loops are fast
 
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You mentioned players that just physically stronger than Mizutani (so they preferred harder rubbers) and prefer to play closer to the table or have nature abilities and touch to spin with everything like Timo either it t05hard or d05/d09c he didn’t really bother by it much.
Yes, that is the point. If you are physically strong and play strong shots, you have a better chance with hard rubber like T05H. It suits physically strong players better than D80 in my opinion.

To play powerloops like Mizutani with D80, you need extremely good technique and touch. I think that physically strong people also tend to have worse touch than physically smaller/weaker players, and so can't play with the precision and technique that Mizutani does.

When hitting hard with T05H, you don't need so much precision/technique to produce a dangerous power-loop with loads of spin and speed. D80 will require a higher level of skill and touch to play dangerous power-loops.
 
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So all again - it’s all matter of technique and preferences. I wouldn’t say I have good touch ( but I play tt not so much as it should be played to develop it), but I have a lot of raw power from decades of other sports. So yes, I like harder rubber more - but I was absolutely comfortable in using d80. Power looping/counter lopping - all of those stuff I can do with it. And in some aspects it even easier that with d05/d09c.

Also I’m not sure that power means “worse touch” because if it would so Ovtcharov and FZD never ever achieved n1 of the world. And to attack with power and consistency you need much better touch than for lobbing for example. You should have amazing touch to play aggressive high level table tennis.

But on the contrary on lower levels there is a people that can using touch and feeling/rarely attacking when they are in 100% position to do it - and they winning many matches by playing so. The same thing with defenders - it works better on lower levels.
 
UPDATE: I switched to a Viscaria with H3N Blue on FH and D80 on BH. I’m playing better than ever before, my D80 can block well, top spin well, spin is very spinny even tho it’s “less spinny” than D05 it’s very marginal, and the spin sensitivity is not that high and I can touch short very well. The rubber seems to be the one I was looking for on BH to train my skills. I would recommend D80 to intermediate and above players who wants everything a rubber can give you on the BH, speed, spin, control, not a high spin sensitivity.

Maybe one day I can be at a level to use H3NOS on BH again as I really loved how spinny my BH can get, but I’m not at the skill enough to execute perfect shots on BH with H3 and I am still not used to the blocking ability of H3. But I might go back to it again once My Bh improves!
 
D80 is softer and has a bit more speed than D05 ?
Top end speed ever so slightly D80 faster than D05. But full power D05 slightly faster but harder to activate. D05 also marginally more spin but again harder to activate. D80 is less spin sensitivity than D05
 
Top end speed ever so slightly D80 faster than D05. But full power D05 slightly faster but harder to activate. D05 also marginally more spin but again harder to activate. D80 is less spin sensitivity than D05
Very helpful! thanks! I have D05 lying around somewhere. I don't have any D80. Right now I am still having some fun with soft ESN rubber (like 42-45 degree) on the BH side. When it is time to upgrade, I will keep D80 in mind along with D05.
 
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