Do olympic games affect ITTF ranking?

[FrenchFrog33]

Do Olympic wins/losses affect ITTF ranking?

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Yes.

 

[cybershapedragon]

It's ridiculous the olympic champion has the same ranking score as a wtt smash. The olympic is obviously far more important for everyone.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

It's ridiculous the olympic champion has the same ranking score as a wtt smash. The olympic is obviously far more important for everyone.

its also ridiculous how low the points are for say R16 ~ R64
its a mission to get to the olypmics, and its so much easier for those WTT events

 

[dingyibvs]

its also ridiculous how low the points are for say R16 ~ R64
its a mission to get to the olypmics, and its so much easier for those WTT events

It's a greater honor, but for the major WTT events with more players allowed from top national associations it's probably harder to make it to the R16-R64.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

It's a greater honor, but for the major WTT events with more players allowed from top national associations it's probably harder to make it to the R16-R64.

you don't get qualification tournaments for Smash
ITTF has decided that the IOC OG has same value as WTT Smash

Maybe grandslam must change to include that of Smash, since on points, its equal value to the tee from R32. In fact as qualifers, you walk away more in WTT Smash on points.

There is AC in WTT to note

 

[driversbeat]

No point difference in Olympics for 3rd and 4th place?

 

[Vlad Celler]

And team points won't be awarded either? To the personal rating, I mean...

 

[RGo]

you don't get qualification tournaments for Smash
ITTF has decided that the IOC OG has same value as WTT Smash

Maybe grandslam must change to include that of Smash, since on points, its equal value to the tee from R32. In fact as qualifers, you walk away more in WTT Smash on points.

There is AC in WTT to note

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You just contradicted yourself here a bit since you say there are no qualifying tournaments for a smash but are pointing to the qualifiers that happen just before the smash, which is essentially a tournament for the last few spots and the top spots for the main round are decided via world ranking.

I think the points are perfectly fine tbh, as the top of the field for a smash is stronger by a decent margin than for the Olympics simply due to the "2 per country" restriction.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

You just contradicted yourself here a bit since you say there are no qualifying tournaments for a smash but are pointing to the qualifiers that happen just before the smash, which is essentially a tournament for the last few spots and the top spots for the main round are decided via world ranking.

I think the points are perfectly fine tbh, as the top of the field for a smash is stronger by a decent margin than for the Olympics simply due to the "2 per country" restriction.

olympic qualification tournaments are totally different tournaments to the olympic games.... the vibe is also different
smash is called qualification rounds inside the same tournament at the same venue, same vibe....

i said smash qualification rounds is worth more points than some OG round
seems like you don't know how points works

assuming you are noob at it, then this could explain what I am talking about
qualifiers get 50 points in Smash, which is worth more than the OG's R64 45 points

 

[RGo]

No, I understand the system decently well, so there is no need for you to be patronising.

I've just pointed out that the Smash qualifiers are a tournament of sorts, not that they are similar to those for the Olympics, which is obviously not the case. And I maintain that the overall level of play at a Smash is higher than at the Olympics just because of the selection criteria, so depending on what nation you are from it might be much easier for you to qualify for an Olympics than for a Smash, while for some others, it might be impossible to qualify for the Olympics. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

No, I understand the system decently well, so there is no need for you to be patronising.

I've just pointed out that the Smash qualifiers are a tournament of sorts,

so its a tournament? ok

not that they are similar to those for the Olympics, which is obviously not the case. And I maintain that the overall level of play at a Smash is higher than at the Olympics just because of the selection criteria, so depending on what nation you are from it might be much easier for you to qualify for an Olympics than for a Smash, while for some others, it might be impossible to qualify for the Olympics.

4 per year, versus 1 every 4 years...
ok

I'll leave it at that.

I guess that is the logic behind the same points, lol
same logic, the asian games/championships should have more points, since that is the toughest table tennis tournament on the planet

 

[RGo]

so its a tournament? ok

you don't get qualification tournaments for Smash

Thank you for acknowledging your contradiction.

I guess that is the logic behind the same points, lol
same logic, the asian games/championships should have more point

And I guess by your logic we agree, as the asian games should give more points than a Smash because it's once a year, instead of 4 per year. And to top it off, according to your logic, the Commonwealth games should award the same amount of points as the Olympics, as they happen every 4 years too. Lol, ok

See, I can be condescending too and drag your points into absurdity. Ok?

 

[cybershapedragon]

And team points won't be awarded either? To the personal rating, I mean...

It's random. Sometime it does, sometime it doesn't. Depend on some purpose...

 

[dingyibvs]

you don't get qualification tournaments for Smash
ITTF has decided that the IOC OG has same value as WTT Smash

Maybe grandslam must change to include that of Smash, since on points, its equal value to the tee from R32. In fact as qualifers, you walk away more in WTT Smash on points.

There is AC in WTT to note

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Due to country of origin limitations, its easier to qualify for the Olympics, so it makes sense to limit the points especially at the lower levels filled with qualifiers.

Olympics was never a part of the grand slam due to its difficulty, but simply due to the fact that it's the Olympics, and that's the case for many sports. In Tennis I don't believe the Olympics counts for any WTA points at all. TT is generous in comparison giving it similar points as a Smash.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Thank you for acknowledging your contradiction.

You just contradicted yourself here a bit since you say there are no qualifying tournaments for a smash but are pointing to the qualifiers that happen just before the smash, which is essentially a tournament for the last few spots and the top spots for the main round are decided via world ranking.

still waiting for you to define how Smash qualifiers are a tournament of sorts, it is in the same tournament. The word qualifiers obviously confused you a big deal. ITTF days, it is called group stages. Now they do KO all the way and call it qualifiers. The olden days, with bigger entries, this is common and you still get qualification tournaments before it...

Is group stage its own tournament too?
Do you think Olympic Qualification is just some 1 or 2 day event like in smash? Do you even know how Olympic Qualifications work?? you justifying those Continental Championships as Smash like qualifiers?? You justifying the months of qualification as those 1 or 2 days in Smash?

The preparation for these "qualifiers" which you think is the same, is not the same....

I think the points are perfectly fine tbh, as the top of the field for a smash is stronger by a decent margin than for the Olympics simply due to the "2 per country" restriction.

And I guess by your logic we agree, as the asian games should give more points than a Smash because it's once a year, instead of 4 per year. And to top it off, according to your logic, the Commonwealth games should award the same amount of points as the Olympics, as they happen every 4 years too. Lol, ok

See, I can be condescending too and drag your points into absurdity. Ok?

well, looks who is absurd
Smash equal grand slam??? now, how absurd is this?

While the whole world puts OG as high regards (with many risking injuries to get the best seeds in the build up etc... oh no, I'm back in talking about qualifers...opps.), here you come and says its the same level as Smash, or did I hear, Smash is higher level than OG?.
You work for WTT/ITTF??? justifying Smash and OG points the same is okay?

People need to see behind playing levels, since tournament value equates to different pressure too. Why some top players can never win OG? Wang Hao???

If my points are absurd and Smash is worth more than OG, then this is clearly why TT is a joke in many countries, especially with this kind of mentality. Until OG is removed from TT Grand Slam, it should be equal to that of WC / WTTC. Trying to prove otherwise.... Not sure what point you are trying to prove.

Asian Champ is more difficult than Smash. So clearly there is a problem rewarding stronger players with correct points....Same token, some continental points, 1 tournament win, and you into world top 40 is also not right. There is clearly a problem with how points are awarded.

Maybe ITTF should have its own ranking point system, to measure that of ITTF events. while WTT to have that of its series.
However, back to my original point of Smash x 3 a year is worth same points 1 x grandslam (during olympic year)...... and you okay with it? 🤦‍♂️

Well, i'm not okay with it. Smash cannot be bigger (since you get 4 a year) than grand slam. Else we loose value in it. At the moment, it is the measurement factor for GOAT and players performance. Smash?? its not even close to being on that radar.

 

[pingpongpaddy]

Unfortunately when Federer won a tennis slam he got $millions plus sponsorship money of course. For Olympics you get a medal. After that you depend on being a celebrity to get big money. This is hard TT national players outside China