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so you are looking at a non profitable business to be in charge of a profitable business?

other than that, there is a huge red flag of conflict of interest

but on the part of leagues - these are national leagues per country.
are you asking for the French league to buy out the German league and get all German leagues/clubs to play in France instead?

Europe has the national leagues and then European champions league and cup for all the national leagues clubs.
That looks like a good model for many to copy.
Well we could call it that the leagues buy the WTT if that sounds better. Or a bunch of top players could get together with some businessmen and start their own organization which buys out the WTT and the leagues. At the end of the day it's just a corporate merger. How the governance would work between the players, associations, tournaments, leagues, etc. would need to be worked out. But the key point is they could all collectively generate more revenue if they stopped competing against each other and putting on so many events.

I've lived in the US all my life so I'm only vaguely familiar with the details of the various national TT leagues, which is why I'm asking about this. Perhaps the politics/institutions/languages are simply too hard to overcome to get all of the leagues/clubs and the WTT to merge. But this type of consolidation is exactly what happened in tennis in the 1980s.

 
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1. For me it was the best game in a long time

2. In the past he could budge in the last points against Chinese but he managed to keep his coo, now. That was very impressive since it is not easy to focus with home crowd either.
I think it was the same tables as in Yokohama and I do not think they are used locally but could be wrong.
 
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Okay. Let's wait for that to become realist and for Macao to field a team. Right now, I see Macao more as a vehicle for Zhu Yuling to play on tour. Anything in the near future will come from other citizens of high level countries joining her and not the development of local players.
That was also my impression about Zhu and Macao. Don't know much about it, but they did just give 2 other players host wildcards for Champions Macao, while last year it was just ZYL.

 
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Well we could call it that the leagues buy the WTT if that sounds better. Or a bunch of top players could get together with some businessmen and start their own organization which buys out the WTT and the leagues. At the end of the day it's just a corporate merger. How the governance would work between the players, associations, tournaments, leagues, etc. would need to be worked out. But the key point is they could all collectively generate more revenue if they stopped competing against each other and putting on so many events.
league and WTT should be different tiers
in face totally different.

in NBA, you have league, then FIBA world champs
in tennis, you don't have leagues, but have ATP tours (and other tours).

so the history of table tennis is leagues
WTT want to remove leagues all together and make players full time like ATP

WTT has been waterdowned to near 100 events under its umbrella, and i'm almost certain if the financial statement are shown, no one will want to buy it.

you hear of money buying clubs. Haven't heard of money buying federations.
But again, this is conflict of interest and against the constitution - so while we have some fun talking about it, WTT/ITTF does not allow people to buy it, so case close?

and they should not be competing against each other - that is where the problem started.
WTT has fulled the schedule so much ,that leagues are holding back schedule releases, waiting for WTT to update them and then plan around it.

Look at German league finals, especially the womens - happening in the middle of summer, because there is no time to have the finals earlier.

I see the leagues are supporting the players as much in wtt participation and taking a backfoot in scheduling.
But ask any player, any league, any federation if they enjoy the scheduling - I will be amazed if you find a higher number in favor of.


I've lived in the US all my life so I'm only vaguely familiar with the details of the various national TT leagues, which is why I'm asking about this. Perhaps the politics/institutions/languages are simply too hard to overcome to get all of the leagues/clubs and the WTT to merge. But this type of consolidation is exactly what happened in tennis in the 1980s.

each league has they values, merging doesn't make it better. They need to be of bonding culture to merge.
You should just allow each league to do they own and the sport benefits. Have you seen American sport league merge with other countries? no right? at most partnership - having a world series, ie flying 2 NBA teams to Asia and have some matches there.

With tennis, it was tours, tennis doesn't have leagues.
In fact, there is too much tours with WTT now, its so crazy that staff retention rate is terrible and the staff is getting paid to same to do double or triple the work as before.

with WTT, is more really better?
 
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league and WTT should be different tiers
in face totally different.

in NBA, you have league, then FIBA world champs
in tennis, you don't have leagues, but have ATP tours (and other tours).

so the history of table tennis is leagues
WTT want to remove leagues all together and make players full time like ATP

WTT has been waterdowned to near 100 events under its umbrella, and i'm almost certain if the financial statement are shown, no one will want to buy it.

you hear of money buying clubs. Haven't heard of money buying federations.
But again, this is conflict of interest and against the constitution - so while we have some fun talking about it, WTT/ITTF does not allow people to buy it, so case close?

and they should not be competing against each other - that is where the problem started.
WTT has fulled the schedule so much ,that leagues are holding back schedule releases, waiting for WTT to update them and then plan around it.

Look at German league finals, especially the womens - happening in the middle of summer, because there is no time to have the finals earlier.

I see the leagues are supporting the players as much in wtt participation and taking a backfoot in scheduling.
But ask any player, any league, any federation if they enjoy the scheduling - I will be amazed if you find a higher number in favor of.



each league has they values, merging doesn't make it better. They need to be of bonding culture to merge.
You should just allow each league to do they own and the sport benefits. Have you seen American sport league merge with other countries? no right? at most partnership - having a world series, ie flying 2 NBA teams to Asia and have some matches there.

With tennis, it was tours, tennis doesn't have leagues.
In fact, there is too much tours with WTT now, its so crazy that staff retention rate is terrible and the staff is getting paid to same to do double or triple the work as before.

with WTT, is more really better?
Every separate league has to have its own events. At the same time, there are too many events. How is it possible to fix this problem?

Tennis was in exactly this situation in the 70s and 80s. They weren’t called “leagues” but instead “circuits” or “tours” but it was basically the same thing. Then they were all merged into a single “ATP Tour” which kept the top events from across the different circuits. Problem solved: fewer events, better publicity, less cannibalizing between circuits for advertising and TV revenue, more prize money.

It’s not like tennis didn’t have national associations and federations, and their own equivalent of the ITTF (which today is called the ITF). All those institutions still exist in some form or other. And they did all make the process of consolidating everything into a single tour a huge pain and it took years of campaigning and politics to work everything out.

But I doubt there’s anyone involved in pro tennis who thinks it wasn’t an enormously good thing for the players, fans, and the sport overall.

I don’t see any fundamental reason something like this shouldn’t also be possible for table tennis.
 
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Every separate league has to have its own events. At the same time, there are too many events. How is it possible to fix this problem?

Tennis was in exactly this situation in the 70s and 80s. They weren’t called “leagues” but instead “circuits” or “tours” but it was basically the same thing. Then they were all merged into a single “ATP Tour” which kept the top events from across the different circuits. Problem solved: fewer events, better publicity, less cannibalizing between circuits for advertising and TV revenue, more prize money.

It’s not like tennis didn’t have national associations and federations, and their own equivalent of the ITTF (which today is called the ITF). All those institutions still exist in some form or other. And they did all make the process of consolidating everything into a single tour a huge pain and it took years of campaigning and politics to work everything out.

But I doubt there’s anyone involved in pro tennis who thinks it wasn’t an enormously good thing for the players, fans, and the sport overall.

I don’t see any fundamental reason something like this shouldn’t also be possible for table tennis.
While leagues today is teams event
And these tours are individual.
If you ever played league, you would know the teams event is a lot more fun and matches are more exciting.

The clubs major expense is players salary, while these tours dont have salary but prize monies - of which it is only a tiny fraction of total expenses.

If you were to merge and still keep the same influx of funds, I doubt players bottom line will improve much. Wtt has too much overheads compared to a club setting as the players wellbeing is not top priority
 
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While leagues today is teams event
And these tours are individual.
If you ever played league, you would know the teams event is a lot more fun and matches are more exciting.

The clubs major expense is players salary, while these tours dont have salary but prize monies - of which it is only a tiny fraction of total expenses.

If you were to merge and still keep the same influx of funds, I doubt players bottom line will improve much. Wtt has too much overheads compared to a club setting as the players wellbeing is not top priority
The teams aspect is cool and unique to the TT leagues, but I think that could also be kept and incorporated in a consolidated tour. You could have something like “Pro Teams” events where players got drafted into teams, and at the same time players could get rankings points for individual results. The benefit is this league could raise more revenue because it has all of the top players and it doesn’t have to bid against competing TT leagues/events for advertising and TV contracts.

Agreed that player involvement in governance is also very important. The ATP is basically a players union and they elect their own representatives who vote on changes to the tour and how the revenue is allocated between prize money, bonuses and other benefits. It doesn’t mean the players don’t have complaints, but they do have real mechanisms to make changes.
 
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The teams aspect is cool and unique to the TT leagues, but I think that could also be kept and incorporated in a consolidated tour. You could have something like “Pro Teams” events where players got drafted into teams, and at the same time players could get rankings points for individual results. The benefit is this league could raise more revenue because it has all of the top players and it doesn’t have to bid against competing TT leagues/events for advertising and TV contracts.

Agreed that player involvement in governance is also very important. The ATP is basically a players union and they elect their own representatives who vote on changes to the tour and how the revenue is allocated between prize money, bonuses and other benefits. It doesn’t mean the players don’t have complaints, but they do have real mechanisms to make changes.
They should study Ettu and maybe come up with a world tt league like what Ettu has with Europe champ league/cup, incorporating top clubs from around the world
I think that would be exciting and has a lot more pull than just the same people, taking part in different events, in different countries around the world - wtt series is getting a bit boring to be honest.
 
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That was also my impression about Zhu and Macao. Don't know much about it, but they did just give 2 other players host wildcards for Champions Macao, while last year it was just ZYL.

WTT CS Macao 2024
WTT Nomination: WCT, DHK
Wildcard: Xu Yingbin, ZYL

WTT CS Macao 2023
WTT Nomination: Togami, QTY
Wildcard: LSD, CXT

WTT CS Macao 2022
WTT Nomination: None
Wildcard: LGY, CXT
 
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Okay. Let's wait for that to become realist and for Macao to field a team. Right now, I see Macao more as a vehicle for Zhu Yuling to play on tour. Anything in the near future will come from other citizens of high level countries joining her and not the development of local players.
Macau has a population of roughly 700,000 (give or take) only. That's like 1/10 that of Hong Kong. Also, not being a member of IOC because of the reluctance (pushing forward with that means autonomy that could lead to independence) and incompetence (triads were rampant and public safety was nearly non-existent as the East Asia's Sin City before the handover in 1999) of the Portugal government hurts a lot.

A news article by Macao Daily after ZYL won US Smash
https://www.macaodaily.com/html/2025-07/28/content_1847679.htm
引進專才推運動發展

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引進專才推運動發展

澳門乒乓球近期揚威海外,“前國手”朱雨玲為澳門創造歷史,贏得WTT美國大滿貫女單冠軍。朱雨玲的故事相當勵志,由世青最年輕女單冠軍,曾與陳夢並肩,後因為癌症而退出國家隊,最終戰勝病魔復出,直至近月在WTT奪冠,走過人生高峰與低谷。

今次的冠軍不僅令朱雨玲再成焦點,亦讓澳門的“引進專才”計劃再度引起熱議。本地體壇過往亦有運動員從內地“引進”來澳,大大提升澳門在國際體壇的競爭力,在不少大型賽事披金戴銀,更重要是帶動本澳運動員,讓單項運動持續發展。

鄰近地區亦積極推動引進體育專才的政策,透過引進國際頂尖運動員,提升地區知名度,亦有助單項運動進一步發展,引起更多人關注該體育運動,如“新香港人”的桌球“世一”卓林普。全運會舉行在即,朱雨玲將代表澳門出賽,計劃參加女單、混雙及女團等項目。是次代表澳門出戰全運正好成為契機,推動朱雨玲與本地乒球運動員更多的交流,透過其高水平的技術、豐富的比賽經驗,高強度的心理素質,帶動澳門運動員進步。

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Bringing in Expertise to Promote Sports Development

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Bringing in Expertise to Promote Sports Development

Macau table tennis has recently gained international acclaim. Former national player Zhu Yuling made history for Macau, winning the WTT US Smash women's singles title. Zhu Yuling's story is truly inspiring. From the youngest women's singles champion at the World Youth Championships to playing alongside Chen Meng, she retired from the national team due to cancer, ultimately overcoming the illness and returning to the WTT title this month, navigating life's ups and downs.

This victory not only put Zhu Yuling back in the spotlight, but also reignited discussion about Macau's "talent introduction" program. Local athletes have previously been "brought in" from mainland China, significantly enhancing Macau's international competitiveness, winning gold and silver medals in numerous major competitions, and more importantly, inspiring local athletes and promoting the sustainable development of individual sports.

Neighboring regions are also actively promoting policies to attract sports talent. By bringing in top international athletes, they raise regional awareness, further develop individual sports, and draw more attention to them. For example, [Judd] Trump, the world no.1 snooker player and a "new Hong Konger." ZYL will represent Macau in the upcoming National Games, planning to compete in women's singles, mixed doubles, and women's team events. This participation in the National Games provides an opportunity for Zhu Yuling to engage with local table tennis players, leveraging her high-level skills, extensive competition experience, and strong mental fortitude to drive the advancement of Macau athletes.

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http://www.mactta.com/ (Official MACTTA site, down)
https://directory.ittf.com/#/details_view/123
 
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Why does this upset you so much?

Did Fan Zhendong kill your dog or something?

Wanna see something unequivocal?

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Congratulations Romain Ruiz, the new best player in the world.
 
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Checking back after FZD beat WCQ in the China National Games lol
I don't think some of the arguments already made will be affected. And FZD is still one Bundesliga loss from more scrutiny and with the different tables and balls in play in those leagues as well as the overall professional level, none of that is far fetched.
 
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I think my point is clear. If FZD wants to be regarded as the best player in the world then he has to come back and make the top of the rankings again.


I never said he couldn't beat anyone on his day
most of us will look at the world rankings.

There are a lot of players in the top 10 that are well capable of taking FZD out on any day in any round.
 
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