Experience with some other Loki rubbers - Arthur China, GTX Pro (inc)

[TensorBackhand]

Yes they send me a spec sheet for rubbers and other for blades to have as a reference. I dont quite get the "energy" column either but i guess is the "technology"(like tensor/ yinhe maxtense) or sponge treatment.
Maybe @Tony's Table Tennis knows a bit more and can clarify since he talks with chinese agents too.

But does this mean that Rxton 5 and N80 are actually the same identical rubber, but just marketed separately?

 

[hclnnkhg]

But does this mean that Rxton 5 and N80 are actually the same identical rubber, but just marketed separately?

N80 has higher tension energy than Rxton 5 as stated in the "energy" column.

 

[mattlamperouge]

But does this mean that Rxton 5 and N80 are actually the same identical rubber, but just marketed separately?

Sorry i edited my reply earlier, i dont know if they have the same topsheet either, just the same or similar level of stickiness. But im sure they feel really close, just like when people blind test H3N varieties

 

[TensorBackhand]

N80 has higher tension energy than Rxton 5 as stated in the "energy" column.

Does that mean that the N80 has more factory booster treatment? or that there is more inherent tension in this rubber?

 

[hclnnkhg]

Does that mean that the N80 has more factory booster treatment? or that there is more inherent tension in this rubber?

I would guess that the "Tension energy" technology means that the topsheet is under tension when it is glued to the sponge, like tensor or Yinhe's Max tense. The "Hyper energy" which leads to the "spring effect" is more likely to be factory boosting.

 

[mattlamperouge]

Does that mean that the N80 has more factory booster treatment? or that there is more inherent tension in this rubber?

i dont know exactly and its hard to get a direct clear answer from my agent, since she has to ask the production team and some things are lost in translation. But i guess is just a bit different, based on reviews the rubbers can play really different. For example on the list Rxton 5 GTX N80 & LAC have almost the same parameters, but we know they are different sponges and topsheet feels different too.

Its interesting to read the charts but we dont know how they really play if players dont test and compare the rubbers and share opinions. Pobrably i isnt so wise to worry about the little details or jargon but we have EJ Bug hahah

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Yes they send me a spec sheet for rubbers and other for blades to have as a reference. I dont quite get the "energy" column either but i guess is the "technology"(like tensor/ yinhe maxtense) or sponge treatment.
Maybe @Tony's Table Tennis knows a bit more and can clarify since he talks with chinese agents too.
I dont know if its the same topsheet, i dont think so because Rxton 3 and 5 doesnt have the same, i guess is the level of tackiness, based on the chart LAC is the tackiest of the series, then T3 and arthur Europe Diamond are Non-Sticky, just grippy (they translate it as Astringent for some reason)

Its just the tension reading

2 readings the same does not equate to the same thing
I purposely took it out when I shared the sponge hardness here, to not confuse people

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Something i noticed when they send me a catalog Is that there is Some rubbers i never seen listed even at their official AliExpress shop. One Is marketed with LAC, the Arthur Internal energy.
Other Is the T3 81 pro that seems like a premium More spinny version of the T3 , the rxton 3 pro AND top also with different characteristics.

When you start to actually buy and import equipment from China, you will realize what is on the catalogue does not equate to what is the production strategy.

for example, prior to CNY, Loki does not stock any Arthur series rubber other than China.

So, really, just take the catalogue for a light reference.
create your own product mix, based on what is available for you to import/order and choose from there.

Also, when I ordered my first stock, lots of blades was discontinued or going to be discontinued. So they suggest I don't touch it.
This is common for product marketing less focused companies coming out of China.

As I said in the past already, Loki has a lot of potential. They just need a strong product marketing person, and to consolidate everything together.
The catalogue will make you more confused, as the pricelist is so much more compact.
There is also things on its webstore, that is not in the catalogue nor pricelist. I just ignore those items.

 

[mattlamperouge]

Its just the tension reading

2 readings the same does not equate to the same thing
I purposely took it out when I shared the sponge hardness here, to not confuse people

Thank you for clarifying that Tony!

When you start to actually buy and import equipment from China, you will realize what is on the catalogue does not equate to what is the production strategy.

for example, prior to CNY, Loki does not stock any Arthur series rubber other than China.

So, really, just take the catalogue for a light reference.
create your own product mix, based on what is available for you to import/order and choose from there.

Also, when I ordered my first stock, lots of blades was discontinued or going to be discontinued. So they suggest I don't touch it.
This is common for product marketing less focused companies coming out of China.

As I said in the past already, Loki has a lot of potential. They just need a strong product marketing person, and to consolidate everything together.
The catalogue will make you more confused, as the pricelist is so much more compact.
There is also things on its webstore, that is not in the catalogue nor pricelist. I just ignore those items.

Thats great advice thank you. Yes i already imagined something along those lines but is great to hear your opinion based on past experiences 😌

 

[netdriver]

all this talk about loki rubbers...... my loyalty to 729 is being tested

but if LAC costs around the same price (relative to my own country's currency) as a Battle2 Orange Provincial and has a much better performance than it without being boosted, seems like its worth a try

 

[fore.n.back]

They just need a strong product marketing person

If this happens they're gonna raise the price lol

 

[Attitude]

all this talk about loki rubbers...... my loyalty to 729 is being tested

but if LAC costs around the same price (relative to my own country's currency) as a Battle2 Orange Provincial and has a much better performance than it without being boosted, seems like its worth a try

"Much better performance" is highly subjective. And i wouldnt agree to "much better" either. Played B2 OS prov for quite some time, but i find LAC simply better by a slight margin in several aspects. But especially for bh it is way better to handle, therefore i made exactly that switch.

 

[hclnnkhg]

"Much better performance" is highly subjective. And i wouldnt agree to "much better" either. Played B2 OS prov for quite some time, but i find LAC simply better by a slight margin in several aspects. But especially for bh it is way better to handle, therefore i made exactly that switch.

What's the hardness of the B2 OS prov you had? And how does that compare to LAC?
Loki's hardness scale seems to be a shifted DHS/729 scale.

 

[Attitude]

What's the hardness of the B2 OS prov you had? And how does that compare to LAC?
Loki's hardness scale seems to be a shifted DHS/729 scale.

39 and 40
LAC feels softer which it probably is because it is around 49 hardness. And if remember correctly, they use ESN scale.
I think its topsheet is softer too. At least it feels that way

 

[hclnnkhg]

39 and 40
LAC feels softer which it probably is because it is around 49 hardness. And if remember correctly, they use ESN scale.
I think its topsheet is softer too. At least it feels that way

Thanks! I have an new B2 OS prov 39 that I will try on my FH, if I feel that's slightly too hard then I will try LAC

 

[TensorBackhand]

"Much better performance" is highly subjective. And i wouldnt agree to "much better" either. Played B2 OS prov for quite some time, but i find LAC simply better by a slight margin in several aspects. But especially for bh it is way better to handle, therefore i made exactly that switch.

Honestly I like them all. I just love the power and control from the Chinese forehand.

H3 boosted, B2, Jupiter 3, Bloom Power, GTX, Big Dipper, these are all very high performance rubbers. That's why I highly doubt I wouldn't like LAC.

 

[lodro]

but the action is already reminiscent of a gesture of desperation

I understand. Sometimes "the magic" simply does not happen

 

[lodro]

You're right, the magic didn't happen. True, it is worth recognizing that this rubber still plays a little better with sipo than with koto, and even more so limbo, but this is far from ideal, so the N-80 goes to the board for playing on the street 🙂

Our "search" for the perfect rubber/blade combo sometimes goes in circles.
I am kinda glad that both the H3 and Rxton5 rubbers seem to work for me
on both my inner layer ZLC-limba outers but also my latest craze the 1600Hz outer with carbon and Koto.
I still wait for a good moment to get a cheap LAC black for my FH, one has to keep on experimenting otherwise we get thrown out of the EJ-club 😁

 

[latej]

one has to keep on experimenting otherwise we get thrown out of the EJ-club 😁

SSSHHHH....

 

[JJ Ng]

Our "search" for the perfect rubber/blade combo sometimes goes in circles.
I am kinda glad that both the H3 and Rxton5 rubbers seem to work for me
on both my inner layer ZLC-limba outers but also my latest craze the 1600Hz outer with carbon and Koto.
I still wait for a good moment to get a cheap LAC black for my FH, one has to keep on experimenting otherwise we get thrown out of the EJ-club 😁

Agree totally. I think after EJ'ing for a while, you kind of know what works for you and you might EJ in that general area, and then just settle down.

I will try Big Dipper and Sanwei Target National at the club a couple more times but preliminary data suggests I am going back to H3 neo.

Backhand it is a mess. I have various ESN + Butterfly fx subbers. But I seem to adapt pretty well to any of them on the backhand side. I have a strong feeling for the amount of catapult effect and the price, I will settle on the Revolutions series.

I definitely feel that the revolution series' catapult effects are strong than Fastarc and Rakza 7 and Rakza X. But yet the revolution series' catapult effects are not as strong as Tenergy fx series. So I think I am going to settle in that area pretty soon too.

So for EJ'ing, after a while, "roughly good enough is good enough." I won't adventure my EJ too far out of my comfort zone. No point.


I wish there is a vaccine for EJ-virus because the infection has spread wildly among people on TTD forum and we all need to be cured of it as some point