Experience with some other Loki rubbers - Arthur China, GTX Pro (inc)

[Attitude]

wouldnt you need to keep track of unnopened package of the same rubbers to substract the difference? Then you find packaging print also vary and we all share ours entering a new EJ rabitt hole🤣

That is just one issue.
I mean the varience of 40-41 degree shouldnt hurt too much - at least i couldnt feel a real difference in all the sheets i already played with.
But weight is a total different story. Especially if we are talking about differences of 5g or 2,5g for each rubber or more.
And i am not even joking, because i just checked and my Vsea setup with 2 LACs were around 206g. And my LAC setup with Pro 01 is 211 currently. Keeping in mind that the Pro 01 is a bit lighter, i definitly have to consider requesting a vertain weight with the LAC. Like wtf!

 

[mattlamperouge]

That is just one issue.
I mean the varience of 40-41 degree shouldnt hurt too much - at least i couldnt feel a real difference in all the sheets i already played with.
But weight is a total different story. Especially if we are talking about differences of 5g or 2,5g for each rubber or more.
And i am not even joking, because i just checked and my Vsea setup with 2 LACs were around 206g. And my LAC setup with Pro 01 is 211 currently. Keeping in mind that the Pro 01 is a bit lighter, i definitly have to consider requesting a vertain weight with the LAC. Like wtf!

How much does each blade weight?

 

[TensorBackhand]

46/47 ish, doesn't feel hard or soft for me.

Hmm weird. The H- i have feels like 53, it is very very hard. I have jupiter 41d on the same blade, they are almost the same hardness.

 

[Attitude]

How much does each blade weight?

I thought i posted it some where but cant seem to find it.

So of my memory serves me correctly my pro 01 is 89g and the vsea 93 or 96g.

 

[hclnnkhg]

Hmm weird. The H- i have feels like 53, it is very very hard. I have jupiter 41d on the same blade, they are almost the same hardness.

maybe the moon 12 is factory boosted, so that could affect the hardness depending on that? Also the blade could affect how rubber feels; i find rubbers feel harder on soft blades.

I had 38d J3 before and I don't think my Moon 12 M+ is harder than that.

 

[mattlamperouge]

I thought i posted it some where but cant seem to find it.

So of my memory serves me correctly my pro 01 is 89g and the vsea 93 or 96g.

Wow that seems a Lot for 2 lac, what glue do you use & how many layers.

currently im playing with a Loki V7rs, standard 155×149mm size 90g, with LAC & boosted Arthur diamond.

Both rubbers weight around 70g uncut and 50g cut, whole setup Is 192g, with 2 layers of revolution n°3 type glue on rubber & 2 layers on blade (each side ofc) & a foam edge protector.

 

[Emin]

Short summary after short practice yesterday with Rxton 9:
What stood out most to me:
Looping, whats probably most interesting
Really good loops, ball would always land on the table with only even a decent body swing,
I felt like I couldnt miss, and the balls were all of great quality, long on table near the line, spin obviously really good
Low arc, the ball accelerated on the other side of the table and would go low after,
It sometimes barely went over the net, but it did.
Even shots that I thought would go out or in the net somehow landed.
Also it didnt bottom out If I hit harder,
It would drag/grab the ball and allow me to swing and place the ball where I want
Looping on Backspin and all variety of balls was just really impressive and gave me confidence in hitting everything

The rest like, serves, short game, control, and all that like expected, felt really good.
Short game ball bounced very slightly, so could put the ball as I intended short

LAC is more direct, doesnt "drag" the ball so much,
some times would miss these close call shots that the Rxton made on the table and over the net

Overall so much impressed that i will use the Racket for the match tomorrow.
Mainly because of the BH side and the improved FH side.
Outer alc BH, inner zlc FH.
I could have more to say about the racket but for now its about the Rxton 9,
I can recommend for anyone looking for close properties to Blue sponge H3,

 

[Attitude]

Short summary after short practice yesterday with Rxton 9:
What stood out most to me:
Looping, whats probably most interesting
Really good loops, ball would always land on the table with only even a decent body swing,
I felt like I couldnt miss, and the balls were all of great quality, long on table near the line, spin obviously really good
Low arc, the ball accelerated on the other side of the table and would go low after,
It sometimes barely went over the net, but it did.
Even shots that I thought would go out or in the net somehow landed.
Also it didnt bottom out If I hit harder,
It would drag/grab the ball and allow me to swing and place the ball where I want
Looping on Backspin and all variety of balls was just really impressive and gave me confidence in hitting everything

The rest like, serves, short game, control, and all that like expected, felt really good.
Short game ball bounced very slightly, so could put the ball as I intended short

LAC is more direct, doesnt "drag" the ball so much,
some times would miss these close call shots that the Rxton made on the table and over the net

Overall so much impressed that i will use the Racket for the match tomorrow.
Mainly because of the BH side and the improved FH side.
Outer alc BH, inner zlc FH.
I could have more to say about the racket but for now its about the Rxton 9,
I can recommend for anyone looking for close properties to Blue sponge H3,

Wait you are using the rubber on bh too, or do you still use LAC on bh? Because i havnt seen the rubber with anything else than black.

 

[mattlamperouge]

Wait you are using the rubber on bh too, or do you still use LAC on bh? Because i havnt seen the rubber with anything else than black.

Rxton9 Is only available in black.
they did samples in red but decided to produce only black for now, at least this first production run

 

[Emin]

Boosted H8-80 38 on BH, that makes me feel like Fan Zhendong

 

[Emin]

I think you were also indecisive about Pro 01 or Vsea.
Outer vs Inner Carbon
That is my main issue with pro 05, if I am focussed i can put in the effort for the more demanding BH.
Now that issue is solved with the racket now.
I can feel confident in BH and FH at the same time,

 

[Attitude]

I think you were also indecisive about Pro 01 or Vsea.
Outer vs Inner Carbon
That is my main issue with pro 05, if I am focussed i can put in the effort for the more demanding BH.
Now that issue is solved with the racket now.
I can feel confident in BH and FH at the same time,

Yeah the amount of issues are actually starting to build up as i have to play against players 100-150 TTR above me currently. But simply hitting full force over the table with decent consistency is just not enough anymore, so i have to vary several things. Among them is the usage of my bh, which is a struggle with vsea and the current weight of my setups (above 200g).
Im still inclined to stick with LAC because i literally have no problem with the rubber itself and no gameplay issues i could easy resolve with a different rubber imo. I will weigh my next sheets and compare and see how i can reduce the current weight and will hopefull resolve most of the problem i have right now, with that.

 

[hclnnkhg]

Yeah the amount of issues are actually starting to build up as i have to play against players 100-150 TTR above me currently. But simply hitting full force over the table with decent consistency is just not enough anymore, so i have to vary several things. Among them is the usage of my bh, which is a struggle with vsea and the current weight of my setups (above 200g).
Im still inclined to stick with LAC because i literally have no problem with the rubber itself and no gameplay issues i could easy resolve with a different rubber imo. I will weigh my next sheets and compare and see how i can reduce the current weight and will hopefull resolve most of the problem i have right now, with that.

How much does your VSEA weight? Does it have a larger head than usual blades?

 

[mattlamperouge]

Short summary after short practice yesterday with Rxton 9:
What stood out most to me:
Looping, whats probably most interesting
Really good loops, ball would always land on the table with only even a decent body swing,
I felt like I couldnt miss, and the balls were all of great quality, long on table near the line, spin obviously really good
Low arc, the ball accelerated on the other side of the table and would go low after,
It sometimes barely went over the net, but it did.
Even shots that I thought would go out or in the net somehow landed.
Also it didnt bottom out If I hit harder,
It would drag/grab the ball and allow me to swing and place the ball where I want
Looping on Backspin and all variety of balls was just really impressive and gave me confidence in hitting everything

The rest like, serves, short game, control, and all that like expected, felt really good.
Short game ball bounced very slightly, so could put the ball as I intended short

LAC is more direct, doesnt "drag" the ball so much,
some times would miss these close call shots that the Rxton made on the table and over the net

Overall so much impressed that i will use the Racket for the match tomorrow.
Mainly because of the BH side and the improved FH side.
Outer alc BH, inner zlc FH.
I could have more to say about the racket but for now its about the Rxton 9,
I can recommend for anyone looking for close properties to Blue sponge H3,

Great first review! Let us know how it works for you in the match.

What you describe reminds me of the comparison youtuber "pandapong" did of different H3, they Said national has More "Shang Tai"= ability to land on the table or something like that.

Like you can control well the ball and it also Lands on table with good quality if hitting not optimal or out of position compared to commercial h3neo. ofc it produce great quality shots if hitting properly.

i should get a couple samples in a few days, im hyped🙌🏻😁
i also ordered a black Lac so i Will share what package i got.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Great first review! Let us know how it works for you in the match.

What you describe reminds me of the comparison youtuber "pandapong" did of different H3, they Said national has More "Shang Tai"= ability to land on the table or something like that.

Like you can control well the ball and it also Lands on table with good quality if hitting not optimal or out of position compared to commercial h3neo. ofc it produce great quality shots if hitting properly.

i should get a couple samples in a few days, im hyped🙌🏻😁
i also ordered a black Lac so i Will share what package i got.

Sounds pretty good. I still have a couple sheets of H3 Blue sponge 40d and H3 OS 41d that I haven't used much of yet. Maybe in the future after I'm done with the H3, I can circle back to Rxton 9. Especially if it goes on sale.

 

[mattlamperouge]

Yeah the amount of issues are actually starting to build up as i have to play against players 100-150 TTR above me currently. But simply hitting full force over the table with decent consistency is just not enough anymore, so i have to vary several things. Among them is the usage of my bh, which is a struggle with vsea and the current weight of my setups (above 200g).
Im still inclined to stick with LAC because i literally have no problem with the rubber itself and no gameplay issues i could easy resolve with a different rubber imo. I will weigh my next sheets and compare and see how i can reduce the current weight and will hopefull resolve most of the problem i have right now, with that.

Like i shared earlier Is strange that you have that weight even with a 100g blade, each rubber at 60g+ cutted seems excesive. Im wondering what glue & how many layers you use.

 

[Emin]

I think replacing Rxton 9 and the H8 80 with LACs wouldnt make a huge different either, its just that it does give an advantage and probably most importantly feeling and confidence. For example the H8 80 when it was on the inner side on the BH i had very little confidence in active play but could block most attacks.
But that wasnt enough, this way around its a lot better.
Regarding weight I think getting used to it and building some strength helps. ( also being young and relatively athletic)
But I agree, too heavy is an issue that one has to deal. This setup is 198-200g,
Not having to put in the effort on BH helps a lot I realized. On FH you mostly use the body but wrist and forearm on BH is demanding and takes energy.

 

[andfadevarga]

i bought one sheet of lac black (h40) and one sheet of rxton 3 blue. Glued on fextra 7 and go to one session of training (aprox 2 hour). My lac already got one bubble.

 

[Attitude]

Like i shared earlier Is strange that you have that weight even with a 100g blade, each rubber at 60g+ cutted seems excesive. Im wondering what glue & how many layers you use.

My thoughts exactly. I will definitly weigh my setups and document them. Seems a bit overboard at my level, but the current situation feels awkward. And i want consistency in everything possible, so i can focus on improving myself

EDIT: I just found a picture from my friend who weighed his 41 degree LAC with 67.4 uncut.

I mean the weirdest shit about that is, that the amount for the Vsea setup matches somewhat, but not with the lighter Pro 01.
Well in the end i will find out, the moment my next sheets come. I will maybe switch immediatly depending on the upcoming training week.

 

[Attitude]

How much does your VSEA weight? Does it have a larger head than usual blades?

As ive mentioned before, it was either 93 or 96g