Fastarc C1 vs Rakza 7

[Silver Server]

Searched as much as I could and it's pretty hard to find a direct comparison between the two. Esp since C1 doesn't seem as popular.

For someone returning to TT after some time off (since pandemic) which of the two rubbers (C1 or R7) would you recommend for both wings of a Korbel blade, and why?
Do they play too similarly to tell a difference, or is C1 more comparable to R7S because of its sponge hardness?
Thanks

 

[Brozi]

I haven't played with the C1 too much, but basically it's a Fastarc G1fx (it's something along the lines of tenergy 05fx for tenergy 05). A bit softer, more forgiving etc. So if the G1 is an upgrade to R7 (a bit harder and more linear), the C1 is something in-between the two, although it seems like the C1's sponge is booster, leading to quick loss of performance over time. Now, as a long time rakza 7 user I can certainly vouch for it, although it might be too hard for some players on the backhand.

 

[KM1976]

I have played with Fastarc C1 for 2 years on my backhand. It is has construction from the previous generation where the topsheet has thickness and you can feel the firmness in your backhand strokes.
I liked it a lot, as it has long life (for me it lasted for 6-7 months on my backhand) and offers great capabilities for an allround offensive game.
I also tried it on my forehand on my test blade and it works very well on forehand as well.
Just to provide a little more detail - I play with Outer ALC blades with Koto as a top layer. I believe that rubbers like Fastarc G1 and C1 will shine more on limba top layer blades as these rubbers offer a firmer feel and would benefit from the softness and trampoline effect of limba top layer blades.

 

[tAz-07]

I also thinking switching from C1/C1 (tried also g1 but not that easy) currently on 5ply allwood (novacell off/s) to my previous blade waldner senso carbon with R7/R7 for more versatile game. I am around 1500-1600 .
but I am not sure which C1 or R7 is best on WSC

 

[Silver Server]

I also thinking switching from C1/C1 (tried also g1 but not that easy) currently on 5ply allwood (novacell off/s) to my previous blade waldner senso carbon with R7/R7 for more versatile game. I am around 1500-1600 .
but I am not sure which C1 or R7 is best on WSC

How has C1 on both sides worked for you, and what are you looking to change/fix with a different rubber? I haven't tried either so Im curious myself.

 

[tAz-07]

C1 on both sides was good on andro all wood novacell off/s. I was missing something on FH, maybe rubber little bit too soft for my taste but result were not bad. Pretty direct play with that config. I am an offensive player close to table (attack a lot with FH, less confident in match condition with BH).
I then used a G1 in FH but this time it was a little bit too demanding and I struggle in competition against some player to play in a variable way. => results were from very good to bad.

I have just tested a R7/R7Soft combo on a Waldner senso carbon and FH seems what I am looking for, need more test but I had power and control. R7 soft was not a success for me (except for slow spinny loop I was not able to really do a block with control with my technic) because I guess I am used to play something with an harder sponge on BH (vega intro, vj07stiff, c1...). I will try R7/R7 in next competition...

 

[z0uLess]

I dont know anyone that plays with C1, but it was the rubber I selected to upgrade from my Mark V backhand rubber on Avalox P500 (koto-spruce-ayous-spruce-koto) from all my online research and how I figured it suited my blade and playing style. I think its a rubber for more traditional chinese style backhand where the backhand rubber cant be too lively and bouncy because the blade is allready supplying the tacky forehand with livelyhood and bouncyness, and so it creates good balanced setup with a chinese tacky forehand rubber.

 

[mat]

How is about hardness of Nitakku C1?
It is written that has 45 degrees od hardness, but does ball stays on rubber duri g shot, sobyou feel the ball?
Is C1 harder than butterfly 05fx?
C1 in hardness similar with any other rubber?

 

[U871247]

Searched as much as I could and it's pretty hard to find a direct comparison between the two. Esp since C1 doesn't seem as popular.

For someone returning to TT after some time off (since pandemic) which of the two rubbers (C1 or R7) would you recommend for both wings of a Korbel blade, and why?
Do they play too similarly to tell a difference, or is C1 more comparable to R7S because of its sponge hardness?
Thanks

I played r7 for 7months and I'm currently using C1. If anyone owould ask me which I would recommend I'd say C1 all day. The have almost the same spin and speed but C1 is less sensitive when it comes to spin which is why it is easier to receive and block in it. Korbel is an all wood blade so I'm not really sure how C1 would perform in it but I'm using a viscaria and it worked perfectly for my game. I even plan to try C1 on FH as well but that's another topic so I hope this info helps.

 

[Amayzde]

I would say just pick 1 and get used to it.

Hardness on Fastarc C-1 will be slightly softer.
Spin on both rubbers is about equal.
Catapult on Rakza 7 is greater which makes it faster.
Weight on Rakza 7 is quite heavy compared to C-1 if you get the same rubber on both sides.

If I had to recommend someone returning to table tennis 1 of the 2 rubbers then I would suggest C-1 on both sides. If you know you have a good forehand technique and you prefer a bit more speed, then you could use R7 on forehand and C-1 on backhand.

If you like a more heavy bat, could also be a reason to pick R7 on both sides.

 

[Silver Server]

I played r7 for 7months and I'm currently using C1. If anyone owould ask me which I would recommend I'd say C1 all day. The have almost the same spin and speed but C1 is less sensitive when it comes to spin which is why it is easier to receive and block in it. Korbel is an all wood blade so I'm not really sure how C1 would perform in it but I'm using a viscaria and it worked perfectly for my game. I even plan to try C1 on FH as well but that's another topic so I hope this info helps.

I would say just pick 1 and get used to it.

Hardness on Fastarc C-1 will be slightly softer.
Spin on both rubbers is about equal.
Catapult on Rakza 7 is greater which makes it faster.
Weight on Rakza 7 is quite heavy compared to C-1 if you get the same rubber on both sides.

If I had to recommend someone returning to table tennis 1 of the 2 rubbers then I would suggest C-1 on both sides. If you know you have a good forehand technique and you prefer a bit more speed, then you could use R7 on forehand and C-1 on backhand.

If you like a more heavy bat, could also be a reason to pick R7 on both sides.

Both some good tips for people who might be deciding between the two. Since I made this thread I’ve bought a new Acoustic G-Revision and tried it with R7 on both sides, and I didn’t like it at all. I know this is a widely recommended rubber for people new to the game with decent basic strokes, but I found the catapult difficult to control particularly in my short game.

I had Rozena on both sides of a Korbel, and found that more stable even tho some people say it has more catapult than R7. So I was at a cross roads as to what to replace the R7 with on my Acoustic and opted for G1 as it has less catapult than C1 & R7, but is faster. This set up feels perfect for me, because although it’s fast it’s much more linear. So my short game touch didn’t suffer with extreme unexpected bounce, and I still have enough power to attack if I step away from the table.

 

[Amayzde]

Both some good tips for people who might be deciding between the two. Since I made this thread I’ve bought a new Acoustic G-Revision and tried it with R7 on both sides, and I didn’t like it at all. I know this is a widely recommended rubber for people new to the game with decent basic strokes, but I found the catapult difficult to control particularly in my short game.

I had Rozena on both sides of a Korbel, and found that more stable even tho some people say it has more catapult than R7. So I was at a cross roads as to what to replace the R7 with on my Acoustic and opted for G1 as it has less catapult than C1 & R7, but is faster. This set up feels perfect for me, because although it’s fast it’s much more linear. So my short game touch didn’t suffer with extreme unexpected bounce, and I still have enough power to attack if I step away from the table.

Ah nice to hear you found the rubber that suits you!

Looking back at the original post I didn’t realize this was initially posted in march haha.

 

[U871247]

Both some good tips for people who might be deciding between the two. Since I made this thread I’ve bought a new Acoustic G-Revision and tried it with R7 on both sides, and I didn’t like it at all. I know this is a widely recommended rubber for people new to the game with decent basic strokes, but I found the catapult difficult to control particularly in my short game.

I had Rozena on both sides of a Korbel, and found that more stable even tho some people say it has more catapult than R7. So I was at a cross roads as to what to replace the R7 with on my Acoustic and opted for G1 as it has less catapult than C1 & R7, but is faster. This set up feels perfect for me, because although it’s fast it’s much more linear. So my short game touch didn’t suffer with extreme unexpected bounce, and I still have enough power to attack if I step away from the table.

C2 being linear is so good in viscaria too coz I can direct the shots where I intend to. I think I will not try another rubber for a while since this is areally fun rubber to use. I also might try it on FH and will see how it works hahahaha

 

[navuzor]

Searched as much as I could and it's pretty hard to find a direct comparison between the two. Esp since C1 doesn't seem as popular.

For someone returning to TT after some time off (since pandemic) which of the two rubbers (C1 or R7) would you recommend for both wings of a Korbel blade, and why?
Do they play too similarly to tell a difference, or is C1 more comparable to R7S because of its sponge hardness?
Thanks

I agree, there aren't many direct comparisons between the two
@JJ Ng mentioned C1 would be a downgrade in terms of speed and hardness

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/backhand-rakza-7-vs-c1-vs-g1-vs-vega-korea-vs-vega-japan-vs-d09c.35028/post-476713

I have tried both, but in very different times, with different blades and different thicknesses. So it's impossible for me to make a comparison with every other variable being different.
I'm tempted to do a proper comparison when the season ends. I'm planning to get a Rakza 7, Rakza X, and C-1

 

[jonol]

I used Rakza 7 for about 9months on BH (2 sheets total). Now use C1 for about 2 months.

Rakza 7 is very good but I find the C1 better. I think the C1 generates more spin when looping and pushing, and is better for blocking.

I found Rakza 7 sometimes felt a bit dead when blocking and the ball would dump into the net. On the flipside, when countering it felt like the ball would fly long more often, and sometimes when brushing very finely the ball would slip.

I haven't noticed this happening with the C1 at all.

A player with different technique or different blades might have a different result, but I found C1 better in those ways. For serve receive and short game, both excellent.