FH loop problem

[mat]

Hi,
I have 2 prbs in doing fh loop.
1st is I hit ball to close to body-underarm is not streched as it should be.
2nd prb, even worse, is that I lift elbow during stroke so all arm is to high during the stroke.

So, years ago I teached my self fh stroke in wrong way-with contacting and brushing ball on the top.

Sorry, for not taking video but I hope you see the prb.

Any special excercise to help to overcome these 2 prbs?

Regards

 

[Snek]

I had also the first problem. This helped me: Rather than moving your arm where the ball is, move your whole body to there. Think that your arm is always in the same position and the moving comes from your legs. Then ask someone to put slow irregular block to your forehand side and you do first calm fh loop. Then hit and think. I sometimes take 20 second thinking brakes during training. Really helps!

 

[Topspinslinger]

Snek said it, that is what my coach always told me when starting out.
I'd also strike the ball slightly more, look at fang bo tutorial

 

[_ak]

I'd agree that positioning yourself is important, however it's not always possible and you can hit with stretched arm or less stretched, it's still OK (unlikely you gonna join your national team) even though the ball will be less powerful.

Fixing the elbow issue is higher priority, IMHO. You can do footwork exercises in parallel though.

 

[_ak]

2nd prb, even worse, is that I lift elbow during stroke so all arm is to high during the stroke.

By the way I've seen a video about this one. You can take a stick, hold one end in your non playing hand and put the other end inside your elbow and imitate loops. It would prevent your elbow from going high.

 

[schrodingerskoalabear]

Hi,
I have 2 prbs in doing fh loop.
1st is I hit ball to close to body-underarm is not streched as it should be.
2nd prb, even worse, is that I lift elbow during stroke so all arm is to high during the stroke.

So, years ago I teached my self fh stroke in wrong way-with contacting and brushing ball on the top.

Sorry, for not taking video but I hope you see the prb.

Any special excercise to help to overcome these 2 prbs?

Regards

Omg, are you me?

First thing that is helping me is watching videos of myself and what you say sounds just like me.

Second, I am doing a lot of shadow practice and drills, where I am trying to use my arm to hit less and coordinate my body/waist movement with the arm. It is a slow process but I am treating it as my new special shot so I don't have to "un-learn" a bad habit but learn a new one.

Also this video mentioned in the thread is very useful:

 

[mat]

By the way I've seen a video about this one. You can take a stick, hold one end in your non playing hand and put the other end inside your elbow and imitate loops. It would prevent your elbow from going high.

Tx, maybe link of video?

 

[mat]

Omg, are you me?

First thing that is helping me is watching videos of myself and what you say sounds just like me.

Second, I am doing a lot of shadow practice and drills, where I am trying to use my arm to hit less and coordinate my body/waist movement with the arm. It is a slow process but I am treating it as my new special shot so I don't have to "un-learn" a bad habit but learn a new one.

Also this video mentioned in the thread is very useful:

Thx for reply, can you tell mw what is shadow prwctice?.

 

[fore.n.back]

I also had those problems before and during multiball practice I asked my partner to do these following exercises:
- stand on the backhand size and do a fully extended forehand loop as the partner feeds the ball to the forehand corner, without moving your body past the middle line. This helps you to extend your arm more when doing fh strokes
- 3 point practice so I can get my feet to move, I often positioned so that the ball flies towards the tip of my right foot. The partner can feed topspin/backspin

For these exercises, I firstly lock my forearm, relax the shoulder and use my feet, hip, and waist to generate power/spin. Gradually the forehand problem will starts to come out as our muscle tense up, at that point tell your partner to feed balls faster. A rule of thumb is if your thighs doesn't sore but your shoulders/arm does then that's the part you mainly use to generate force. Keep doing this until you're tired, then tell the partner to slow down the pace. At this moment, the sore parts will enter the state of relax and allow you to hit the ball with the lower parts of the body

 

[mat]

I also had those problems before and during multiball practice I asked my partner to do these following exercises:
- stand on the backhand size and do a fully extended forehand loop as the partner feeds the ball to the forehand corner, without moving your body past the middle line. This helps you to extend your arm more when doing fh strokes
- 3 point practice so I can get my feet to move, I often positioned so that the ball flies towards the tip of my right foot. The partner can feed topspin/backspin

For these exercises, I firstly lock my forearm, relax the shoulder and use my feet, hip, and waist to generate power/spin. Gradually the forehand problem will starts to come out as our muscle tense up, at that point tell your partner to feed balls faster. A rule of thumb is if your thighs doesn't sore but your shoulders/arm does then that's the part you mainly use to generate force. Keep doing this until you're tired, then tell the partner to slow down the pace. At this moment, the sore parts will enter the state of relax and allow you to hit the ball with the lower parts of the body

Thx for wide reply.
What means rule of thumb?

 

[mat]

Also I donr know to position correctly L and R. So, Can you tell where to stand horizontaly when ball is lets say above the net:
a) for diagonal ball?
b for paralel balll?

 

[schrodingerskoalabear]

Thx for reply, can you tell mw what is shadow prwctice?.

You can find videos on this too but here is some more information on it: http://www.tabletenniscoaching.com/node/54

tl;dr - you practice your shots/footwork without the ball (preferably in front of the mirror)

 

[fore.n.back]

Thx for wide reply.
What means rule of thumb?

ah that's just an idiom for "an important rule to remember", not table tennis-related