For the "ejing is bad" crowd....

[the-don]

What do you think of this extreme case of ejing?

 

[Gekko]

And here's ZJK using his phone to play:

Wouldn't really call either examples of EJing

 

[the-don]

And here's ZJK using his phone to play:

Wouldn't really call either examples of EJing

pistej doesn't just "play" with sandpaper......he made it to the final of the tournament.

 

[the-don]

where's the EJ?

This would like playing your dignics 1.9 tournament and a couple months later playing another tournament with ox long pips both sides.
Doesn't get more ej than that.

 

[Creek]

Has nothing to do with EJ… he (as every other one playing sand paper tournaments) is playing 2 different sports. Like playing tennis and padel

 

[NetProphet]

Has nothing to do with EJ… he (as every other one playing sand paper tournaments) is playing 2 different sports. Like playing tennis and padel

Is it a different sport just because he changes from rubber to sandpaper?
The table and rules are exactly the same.
For me it is 100% still the same sport,Table Tennis, just played with a different bat.
If people decide to play football today, using a leather covered pigs bladder as they did a few hundred years ago is still football.
Or skiing on wooden skiis, tennis with wooden rackets etc is still tennis.
Just the equipment limits what you can do and how much speed/power you can achieve but still the same sport.
Just my opinion tho

 

[NDH]

Is it a different sport just because he changes from rubber to sandpaper?
The table and rules are exactly the same.
For me it is 100% still the same sport,Table Tennis, just played with a different bat.

I think it's half way between this, and the "completely different sport" opinion.

Can't argue with what you've said - Rules, table, balls etc are all the same.

BUT.... The technique required, the equipment and general tactics are wildly different from Table Tennis, which might as well make it a different sport.

The skills are broadly interchangeable, but they are still quite different.

 

[Lazer]

I think it's half way between this, and the "completely different sport" opinion.

Can't argue with what you've said - Rules, table, balls etc are all the same.

BUT.... The technique required, the equipment and general tactics are wildly different from Table Tennis, which might as well make it a different sport.

The skills are broadly interchangeable, but they are still quite different.

You can say the same thing about certain playing styles such as defensive and long pips…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

ejing for amateur is not the same as ejing for pros.
pros can use anything, and they can still play

can the same be said for amateurs? no

to justify that pros can use different equipment and still play well, is a very silly comparison to justifying ej is not bad.
the levels are night and day apart and if the hobby play / amateur who ej are a high level, then its okay for you to ej
but obviously, most of them are still at most, hobby players.

PS. the video is not ejing, it is almost a different sport/different rules, since the equipment is different to that of ITTF.
all opponents are using the same equipment
it was not a sand paper paddle vs that of ITTF spec paddle.
so the video comparison to justify is total silly

Recently, someone quite important person who used to spend a lot of time on TTD said, he is no bandwidth for reading or comment of silliness on forums.
I can understand why more and more VIP are distancing themselves.

 

[NDH]

You can say the same thing about certain playing styles such as defensive and long pips…

Cheers
L-zr

You can, and I'd argue the same would be true to an extent.

I'm not entirely sure of the intent of this thread, but it seems to take the stance that "ej'ing isn't that bad... look at this".

Someone ej'ing between attacking MAX reverse rubbers, and then switching to long pips, and then to sandpaper..... Is not going to achieve great results.

Of course the pro's can use anything, but they train exclusively for months with sandpaper before big tournaments (source... I used to play for the same club where Andrew Baggaley trained).

Like others have said, the videos aren't ej'ing as such.

I'd be more impressed if it was Ma Long getting to the Olympic final using long pips 😂

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

You can, and I'd argue the same would be true to an extent.

I'm not entirely sure of the intent of this thread, but it seems to take the stance that "ej'ing isn't that bad... look at this".

Someone ej'ing between attacking MAX reverse rubbers, and then switching to long pips, and then to sandpaper..... Is not going to achieve great results.

Of course the pro's can use anything, but they train exclusively for months with sandpaper before big tournaments (source... I used to play for the same club where Andrew Baggaley trained).

Like others have said, the videos aren't ej'ing as such.

I'd be more impressed if it was Ma Long getting to the Olympic final using long pips 😂

someone is likely taking a video, and totally missing the point and trying to spin to suite his narrative.

I know someone who played in the first edition of world championship of ping pong in Las Vegas.
high level player, maybe 2600 range.

He was there by chance and got entered, so he said, why not, how difficult can it be.
Have never seen or used the paddle before.
First time, was at the tournament. He spent less than an hour warming up.

Didn't have the technique to play properly, he told me all the decent level ping pong wc players, trained for weeks prior and he was a like a total paper against all those other players, including amateurs.

He really enjoyed it, but back home in Taiwan, it is still ITTF spec that puts bread on the table.
ping pong world cup was a good experience and fun, but fun won't put bread on the table

He said, give him few weeks to train, he would have done better.
Pros do train full time with what ever they use to be able to master it.
EJ I doubt they have the intention to master anything, because it comes with time and commitment to master anything.

 

[yoass]

where's the EJ?

Pistej in both fragments is what's probably meant. Extreme high level regardless of gear used.

 

[Lazer]

You can, and I'd argue the same would be true to an extent.

I'm not entirely sure of the intent of this thread, but it seems to take the stance that "ej'ing isn't that bad... look at this".

Someone ej'ing between attacking MAX reverse rubbers, and then switching to long pips, and then to sandpaper..... Is not going to achieve great results.

Of course the pro's can use anything, but they train exclusively for months with sandpaper before big tournaments (source... I used to play for the same club where Andrew Baggaley trained).

Like others have said, the videos aren't ej'ing as such.

I'd be more impressed if it was Ma Long getting to the Olympic final using long pips 😂

Not everyone is looking for the best result, but for the most fun. I know I am…
If I get better is a bonus. I can tell you ej’ing is giving me a lot of fun…
Next I will be trying my “baby primo carbon” (Neottec Amagi carbon) 😇

Cheers
L-zr

 

[the-don]

Is it a different sport just because he changes from rubber to sandpaper?
The table and rules are exactly the same.
For me it is 100% still the same sport,Table Tennis, just played with a different bat.
If people decide to play football today, using a leather covered pigs bladder as they did a few hundred years ago is still football.
Or skiing on wooden skiis, tennis with wooden rackets etc is still tennis.
Just the equipment limits what you can do and how much speed/power you can achieve but still the same sport.
Just my opinion tho

it is the same sport.
I switch between inverted, short pips, long pips.....each requires a different technique.
Between inverted it's less but still you need to adapt.

The point is....high level players are just full of talent, that's why they reach that level.
Not because they trained 6000 hours with the same rubber same thickness and same blade.

 

[rpb23]

Playing sandpaper is 100% pure anti-EJ.
E is not important for beginnings or low level players as they lack necessary techniques to appreciate importance of equipment.
E is very important to many mid-level players who sort of running into some technical bottleneck, exploring equipment is like opening another avenue for their games. Some of them have gone far to become EJs
E is somewhat important for pros as they have the necessary techniques, a little change of equipment may help their games a little.