Franziska Innerforce ZLC

[Fragaal]

Hi,

I played the Viscaria, which I liked the touch, the short-short game, blocking and the linear game behavior.
On offense, I would welcome a little more dweel time, which is why I came to the Franziska Innerforce ZLC.
Now I haven't found that much on the internet and wonder why it doesn't get as much attention as certain other blades.
Are there any reasons for this? Are there better alternatives?
And is it true that the blade is slower than the IF Layer ALC?


cheers

 

[Tembel]

Plenty of threads already on this topic. I.e. look below in "similar threads" section.

 

[Fragaal]

I have already read through them so far.

Well, let me ask an explicit question.
Is the Franziska Innerforce ZLC faster than the Innerforce Layer ALC?
If not, why is it better at half distance than the IF Layer ALC?

 

[Andreittle]

Hi Fragaal

Poor Bunny​

No, the Franziska Innerforce ZLC isn't necessarily faster than the Innerforce Layer ALC, the overall speed is pretty similar, but the feel is different.

 

[Wrighty67]

I have already read through them so far.

Well, let me ask an explicit question.
Is the Franziska Innerforce ZLC faster than the Innerforce Layer ALC?
If not, why is it better at half distance than the IF Layer ALC?

I am going to disagree a little with the other poster. Having played with both for some time I found the Franz to be a fair bit faster and more importantly a lot more reactive than the inner force. Ultimately I think it is a better blade but it is harder to control. My main issue with it was a lack of linearity, which is what I love about a good koto outer carbon blade. It just went from controlled and steady to 80%+ very quickly.

 

[Julzig]

Yes many people state that the Franziska ZLC can go from rather slow to very fast once you activate the carbon layers. Also depending on the weight, they tend to be quite light wich influences their power.

 

[Chr75]

Could you tell me the difference between Franziska zlc and Timo Boll zlc in terms of feel of the shot and trajectory?

 

[JJ Ng]

I like the non-linear aspect of the blade. In the beginning, I was not used to it. But once you get used to it, you either love it or you hate it.

I don't know how the blade goes from very slow to very fast depending on how hard you hit with it. I think Butterfly must be doing something special with its gluing process or something else. I get a similar feel (non-linear) with Ovtcharov inner ALC but not as extreme. I feel that Ovtcharov is faster than Franziska and to me, less control.

Overall, Ovtcharov seems to be more popular blade than Franziska and I can see why. I have just stuck with Franziska and enjoy playing with it now.

At slower speed, it is like a wood blade. At higher speed, it behaves like a carbon blade.

The benefit is that my blocks are more stable and controllable with this blade, as opposed to outer carbon blade where I feel that the ball just wants to jump off the other edge of the table all the time.

For my BH, with Franziska ZLC, I have also adopted harder sponge now.

 

[Fragaal]

thank you!
some ppl wrote the T19 doesn't fit with Franziska IF ZLC - can u agree?
actually I play IF Layer ALC and need a little bit more speed and spin with good control - do u think Franziska is the right udpate?
Could buy one with 87g for 100€.

 

[Topspinslinger]

I also disagree with the speed, I've tried both inner ALC and ZLC and the ALC is a bit slower and easier to control. What @JJ Ng I agree with, I'm currently playing with Ovtcharov alc and it has less control then Inner ZLC's.

I'm asuming T19 on backhand. I'd also say that in general harder sponge fits well on backhand such as D05.
I am a huge fan of the Innerforce blades, very good hand feeling and performance.

 

[Fragaal]

when you say that the blade is like wood on passive hits and like carbon on hard hits, it sounds to me like a tamer DHS HL5.

Is that right?

 

[JJ Ng]

To address a couple questions.

One, I have only played with Ovtcharov inner ALC and Franziska inner ZLC. So I cannot make comment about Butterfly Innerforce Layer ALC. I am not really a big Butterfly user. I have some Butterfly blades for collection only and I have not been tempted to put rubbers on them since I am pretty happy with Franziska inner ZLC.

Two, I don't think that Franziska inner ZLC behaves anything like DHS HL5. I don't have DHS HL5. What I have is DHS Bo Carbon (the first version, not the second). DHS Bo Carbon and most inner carbon blades I have tried (like from Tibhar) just feels slow or slower. Maybe I am not good enough to activate these other inner carbon blades. But I have ordered three blades from Sergio at SDC blade before so I follow him on TTD forum here and there. In another thread, Sergio seems to be confused as to how Butterfly manages to produce inner carbon blades that behave differently when you exert different forces. I believe his guess is that Butterfly uses some special, proprietary glue? That's my vague memory from the other thread.

Three, T19 on the backhand works just fine. With Franziska inner ZLC, it seems that a harder sponge works better. I have three Franziska inner ZLC's, all of them have H3 blue sponge o the FH. The BH are T19, MX-S and D09c. I seem to play the most stable with MX-S. When I am out of practice, I cannot seem to control D09c. T19 is more like in the middle; it works just fine. When that T19 wears out, I plan to replace it with either T80 or D80.

 

[Fragaal]

thanks mate!
can you tell me your weights of all three blades?
And can u prefer which weight ist good for a good balance?

 

[ToH]

I have now played 3 times for a total of around 8 hours with this blade. Comming from a basalt blade, it was a big change. I use the same rubbers as i did on my last blade, wich are Andro Nuzn 48 both bh and fh. The first time i played with it i could not control it on the more powerful shots. My shots went over the table. It is much more linear than my basalt-blade from soulspin.
But now i am starting to love the blade. its about the first blade i dont mind the handle (had to sand the edges). I have much better blocks with this blade, Smashing is much better. Very easy to add rotation and then creating a higher arc (the blade grips the ball excelent on harder shots). I feel the shortgame is also better or at least as good. Because of the low weight i was expecting it to be slow, but its more than fast enough (for me, its not a speed monster) I would rate it Off-. The weight with rubbers and glue is 181 gram.

 

[JJ Ng]

I have spent more time with the blade and I like it very much. It is now my main blade. On soft touch shots or block, it behaves like all wood. When hitting hard or looping hard, it behaves like carbon. So by now, my brain has adjusted that transition.

What I like about the blade is how controllable it is. At my level, opponents are looping harder and spinnier. With other carbon blades, I just felt that I have to work very hard to keep the block on the table. With this blade, I feel much more confident about blocking; just relax, adjust the angle, take the ball off the bounce and voila, the ball is back on the other side of the table. It has become a very important part of my defensive game.

As for BH rubber, yeah, I have settled on MX-S. D09c and D05 seem to be too fast. I just put T80 on the BH side and it plays similar to T19.

It is a very good blade.