Good FH rubbers for YEO

[S2000]

stiga dna platinum S works really well not only close to the table. Very godd control and speed. Grippy not tacky. Great for looping as for flat hits and smashing.

 

[S2000]

stiga dna platinum S works really well not only close to the table. Very godd control and speed. Grippy not tacky. Great for looping as for flat hits and smashing.

With that combo great sweat spot also

 

[ZFT]

@S2000 is this for FH and are you impacting the ball hard?

 

[S2000]

@S2000 is this for FH and are you impacting the ball hard?

I impact both hard and smooth. I use it both for backhand and forehand. I am more prominent fh player and more on the aggressive side. However, I also like smooth loops close to the table that dive fast - this is also possible depending on technique.

 

[S2000]

I impact both hard and smooth. I use it both for backhand and forehand. I am more prominent fh player and more on the aggressive side. However, I also like smooth loops close to the table that dive fast - this is also possible depending on technique.

One can add that Stiga DNA Platinum is one of the fastest rubbers therefore I started with S which is faster than a normal medium rubber. So don't be fooled by it's rather low 42.5 rating it is quite faster than that. I use the max 2.3 mm. I use max so that the rubber does not bottom out. It works really good for blocking also.

 

[ZFT]

Yes and it must be the extra thickness that keeps it from bottoming during your hard impacts.

YEO gives such great sensations when hitting hard through the sponge and trying to get into the core. There doesn’t seem to be an upper limit, it can keep giving more, it was just the issue of unexpected net clipping with D09c/G09c hybrids.

I imagine with grippy 42.5 ESN the good sensations would kick in earlier. And the sinking in of the ball into sponge gives a similar effect of sticky sheet controlling the arc.

I have a barely used sheet of FX-P lying around though I don’t think I’ll get around to testing in the near future, I’m completely satisfied with H3 39 deg + D64 combo.

 

[S2000]

Yes and it must be the extra thickness that keeps it from bottoming during your hard impacts.

YEO gives such great sensations when hitting hard through the sponge and trying to get into the core. There doesn’t seem to be an upper limit, it can keep giving more, it was just the issue of unexpected net clipping with D09c/G09c hybrids.

I imagine with grippy 42.5 ESN the good sensations would kick in earlier. And the sinking in of the ball into sponge gives a similar effect of sticky sheet controlling the arc.

I have a barely used sheet of FX-P lying around though I don’t think I’ll get around to testing in the near future, I’m completely satisfied with H3 39 deg + D64 combo.

I agree thickness help - however DNA Platinum even Soft is quite harder than older soft rubbers. It works well for me for some reason. One of my trade secrets it that I have sanded down the wings quite substantially giving the blade extra feel for my largish hands. Use anatomic rather than flared which tends to get locked in my hand. However, you are right that this rubber is quite grippy and giving really good spin. The Yasaka straight is also quite good for large hands. The combo Stiga DNA Platinum and YEO with 2nd ply pine together with the outer walnut almost gives carbon feel and I play as well at distance with this as with a decently fast carbon blade.

 

[Larshos]

I think the reason is because YEO has such good flex and hold. Paired with a tacky rubber, this allows you to throw the ball over the net, even on fast shots like flicks. The spruce layer helps too, I think -- compared to similar composition blades without spruce, you get a more powerful bounce and there's a delay of the incoming spin "biting" your racket.

Calling Hurricane 3 a "low throw" rubber is somewhat untrue. It doesn't grab the ball and catapult it upwards on every shot like tensor rubbers do, but it is tacky, and when you hit the ball right with tacky rubber you can brush it upwards very effectively in a way that you can't do with tensors. This is most noticeably true when you try to loop a ball from below the table -- try doing that with a Tenergy vs a Hurricane.

You should try Skyline 2 on your YEO. The synergy is even better than Hurricane imo.


This is why Chinese rubbers are superior. They make you adjust your style of play to play better.

What hardness and thickness would you choose for TG2 Neo for YEO? I've bought a bottle of FTL, planning to boost it. Also, doesn't the Skyline rubbers come in commercial, provincial and national gradings? They're all the same quality?

 

[mihalichtheone]

What hardness and thickness would you choose for TG2 Neo for YEO? I've bought a bottle of FTL, planning to boost it. Also, doesn't the Skyline rubbers come in commercial, provincial and national gradings? They're all the same quality?

there's no National TG2 AFAIK, there is only TG2 (regular commercial non-neo), TG2 NEO commercial, TG2 Provincial Blue sponge.

I've tried TG2 NEO when it was tacky (older batches) and it was a good rubber. Currently playing with TG2 Prov BS on my penhold setup. It plays well on Stiga Rosewood V, but a bit too much for YEO to my taste.

 

[ttarc]

What hardness and thickness would you choose for TG2 Neo for YEO? I've bought a bottle of FTL, planning to boost it. Also, doesn't the Skyline rubbers come in commercial, provincial and national gradings? They're all the same quality?

Thickness is the easiest to answer: when boosting at most 2.15 mm. It's still possible to get the rubber including glue layer to over 4 mm but less likely than with a 2.2 mm sponge.
Hardness: depends...
According to DHS

What are the differences in hardness and stickiness between different DHS rubbers?
Elasticity: GoldArc series > TinArc series > Hurricane 3-50, Skyline 3-60 > Hurricane series > Skyline series
Viscosity: Hurricane 3 > Hurricane 9 > Hurricane 8 > Hurricane 2 = Skyline series > TinArc series > GoldArc series

(from page 84 "Handbook of DHS T.T. Products(in Chinese language)" https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1xss4XdArxyhyyifUyy3y2tzR3AC6zGlT)

Catalogue says TG2 and TG3 are available in 2.15 mm and 2.2 mm with sponge hardness from 38 to 41. TG2 Neo and TG3 Neo also in 2.15 mm and 2.2 mm but only with 39° or 40° but a quick search on prott.vip and Aliexpress showed only 39° or 40° regardless if blue, orange sponge, Neo or non-Neo.
Though national Skyline 3 in 2.1 mm and 39° to 41° is available from prott.vip...
Depends a bit from where you can source which rubber.
For me: the warmer the harder the sponge. During summer I've played H3N 41 but switched already down to 40 and 39 is waiting for winter...
Since Skyline topsheet is harder I would start with 39

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Also, doesn't the Skyline rubbers come in commercial, provincial and national gradings? They're all the same quality?

there's no National TG2 AFAIK, there is only TG2 (regular commercial non-neo), TG2 NEO commercial, TG2 Provincial Blue sponge.

I've managed to find national TG2 on rare occasions (I think this is the real national supply, not the "national" version of the rubber), but it is becoming rarer. Provincial TG2 is almost as good.

What hardness and thickness would you choose for TG2 Neo for YEO? I've bought a bottle of FTL, planning to boost it.

Get 40 degrees if you want to boost it, especially since FTL makes the sponge significantly softer. I have a slight preference for Haifu yellow but FTL is not bad.

Since Skyline topsheet is harder I would start with 39

Topsheet is hard, but I don't think this requires compensation with a softer sponge. The hardness of the topsheet makes it good at flicking, punching, loop-kill, and pace change compared to Hurricane. Even 39 degrees Skyline with a heavy boost will require more strength than Hurricane, just because the topsheet is harder, so be aware of that. But yeah, if you've never tried it before then 39 is a fine place to start. I'd recommend 40 just because you're using FTL -- I think you don't want to end up with a mushy sponge and a hard topsheet.

It plays well on Stiga Rosewood V, but a bit too much for YEO to my taste.

On YEO you really need to add your own power. Or boost the hell out of your rubber. Rosewood V gives a little more power so you don't have to try as hard. But playing a hard fast flick with YEO is an absolute dream -- such amazing control for such a fast shot.