Good FH rubbers for YEO

[Larshos]

I'm currently using J3 Asia 39, what do you who have a YEO have on the FH?
I really like the "Chinese style" spin and control the J3 gives, however i find it to be ever so slightly lacking in the speed compartment. Also QC is so so, one sheet had a big "dull" patch in the middle where the stickiness was noticeably deteriorated straight out of the package. Considering the price it's not the end of the world, it is however frustrating to sometimes have to open more than one packet to ensure you get a good sheet.
I can't be bothered with boosting, so the classic recommendation of boosted H3 is not applicable.

 

[GOAT 🐐]

PF4

 

[olive-nguyen]

unboosted h3 Neo or put TG2 like Ma Lin

 

[Larshos]

unboosted h3 Neo or put TG2 like Ma Lin

Wouldn't unboosted H3 be even slower than the J3 Asia?

 

[greenbeanmachine]

TG2 Neo is the best option imo. It's slow if you touch the ball softly, but it can be very fast if you put power into your stroke. Of course, it would be better with booster...

 

[impluse101]

just wondering.. is TG 2 neo more commonly used that than TG 3 neo?
I am only assuming, since I have not used TG 2/3 before, TG 3 neo might have better sponge or topsheet than TG 2 neo.

 

[netdriver]

just wondering.. is TG 2 neo more commonly used that than TG 3 neo?
I am only assuming, since I have not used TG 2/3 before, TG 3 neo might have better sponge or topsheet than TG 2 neo.

neither are better than the other but personally skyline 3 is not that great of a rubber for todays game

skyline 2 troubles my opponents more, better ball quality than skyline 3

skyline 3 is faster than skyline 2 however but despite its speed my opponents receive the ball relatively easier than skylien 2

 

[impluse101]

neither are better than the other but personally skyline 3 is not that great of a rubber for todays game

skyline 2 troubles my opponents more, better ball quality than skyline 3

skyline 3 is faster than skyline 2 however but despite its speed my opponents receive the ball relatively easier than skylien 2

oh ok. is it because the tack and grip of topsheet is better?
both rubbers are demanding right - more so than B2 BS and H3 neo?

 

[netdriver]

oh ok. is it because the tack and grip of topsheet is better?
both rubbers are demanding right - more so than B2 BS and H3 neo?

skyline 2 yeah, demanding bc its a little slower than h3 on medium strokes

skyline 3 no, easier to play, maybe on par with H3 but u might as well go with H3 bc H3 has better ball quality than skyline 3

tack and grip is *not* better than one another, it has more to do with the pimple arrangement. skyline 3 pimples spaced more sparse, skyline 2 is more dense. mb others can share what the pimple layout does bc im not knowledgeable about pimple arrangement in general.

i think u will be very disappointed if u expect any dhs rubber to be tacky nowadays

 

[Larshos]

Any other suggestions? Could be ESN/hybrid rubbers as well.

I do believe TG2 would be even slower than the J3 Asia, yes?

 

[StreamOfWater]

Pick whatever you like, really any modern/popular rubber will work

 

[You're Tacky & I Hate You]

Stick with J3 Asia but get H41 for FH.

Stay close to table and practice spinning hard open ups and countering any topspins that come back with early timing off the bounce. Its where that rubber really shines.

 

[ZFT]

Stick with J3 Asia but get H41 for FH.

Stay close to table and practice spinning hard open ups and countering any topspins that come back with early timing off the bounce. Its where that rubber really shines.

I’m inclined to think YEO in both penhold and shakehand form is the ultimate first attack weapon, a successful FH LOOP KILL off a push? Accept that dopamine!

But is there a secret sauce in consistently being able to avoid clipping the top of the net on these all or nothing shots with this blade? Or is it rubber dependent? I’ve used D09c & now G09c which are my trusted FH rubbers.

I’m troubleshooting with different small technical adjustments when hitting at >80-90% power but nothing has really clicked yet.

Would love to hear what’s worked for others, the dopamine chase is half the addiction 😀

 

[StreamOfWater]

But is there a secret sauce in consistently being able to avoid clipping the top of the net on these all or nothing shots with this blade? Or is it rubber dependent? I’ve used D09c & now G09c which are my trusted FH rubbers.

Yes, there is. The secret sauce is your technique and count of training sessions per week. Everything else isn't significant

 

[Larshos]

Stick with J3 Asia but get H41 for FH.

Stay close to table and practice spinning hard open ups and countering any topspins that come back with early timing off the bounce. Its where that rubber really shines.

I had a sheet of Apollo 5 40' laying around (somewhat close to J3), so I decided to glue that on and will try it later today!

 

[ZFT]

Has any one tested a higher throw short arc rubber?

Something like D05?

 

[ZFT]

Yes, there is. The secret sauce is your technique and count of training sessions per week. Everything else isn't significant

Turns out for YEO the secret sauce isn’t in the technique or the number of training sessions, it’s just Hurricane 3.

The unexpected net clips are gone and everything feels much, much, (much!) more intuitive now.

That said, I’m a bit confused….

I would’ve thought a low-trajectory rubber like H3, paired with a similarly low-trajectory blade like YEO, wouldn’t be great for looping. Is it the support from the intermediate spruce layer?

Anyway, this goes to show how much rubber and blade synergy can have an effect, even when it seems counterintuitive.

 

[StreamOfWater]

Turns out for YEO the secret sauce isn’t in the technique or the number of training sessions, it’s just Hurricane 3.

The unexpected net clips are gone and everything feels much, much, (much!) more intuitive now.

That said, I’m a bit confused….

I would’ve thought a low-trajectory rubber like H3, paired with a similarly low-trajectory blade like YEO, wouldn’t be great for looping. Is it the support from the intermediate spruce layer?

Anyway, this goes to show how much rubber and blade synergy can have an effect, even when it seems counterintuitive.

What really happened is this:
You started brushing better (maybe because H3 forced you too) → timing improved → net clips decreased → now you're crediting the equipment

You're not completely wrong that “synergy” matters, however, you are putting the cart before the horse. The “secret” wasn’t the rubber. It was the mechanical adjustment you made, consciously or not, because of the rubber

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Turns out for YEO the secret sauce isn’t in the technique or the number of training sessions, it’s just Hurricane 3.

The unexpected net clips are gone and everything feels much, much, (much!) more intuitive now.

That said, I’m a bit confused….

I would’ve thought a low-trajectory rubber like H3, paired with a similarly low-trajectory blade like YEO, wouldn’t be great for looping. Is it the support from the intermediate spruce layer?

Anyway, this goes to show how much rubber and blade synergy can have an effect, even when it seems counterintuitive.

I think the reason is because YEO has such good flex and hold. Paired with a tacky rubber, this allows you to throw the ball over the net, even on fast shots like flicks. The spruce layer helps too, I think -- compared to similar composition blades without spruce, you get a more powerful bounce and there's a delay of the incoming spin "biting" your racket.

Calling Hurricane 3 a "low throw" rubber is somewhat untrue. It doesn't grab the ball and catapult it upwards on every shot like tensor rubbers do, but it is tacky, and when you hit the ball right with tacky rubber you can brush it upwards very effectively in a way that you can't do with tensors. This is most noticeably true when you try to loop a ball from below the table -- try doing that with a Tenergy vs a Hurricane.

You should try Skyline 2 on your YEO. The synergy is even better than Hurricane imo.

It was the mechanical adjustment you made, consciously or not, because of the rubber

This is why Chinese rubbers are superior. They make you adjust your style of play to play better.

 

[ZFT]

You're not completely wrong that “synergy” matters, however, you are putting the cart before the horse.

The behaviour between hybrid (D09c/G09c) and H3 (and presumably Skyline 2) is stark, like night and day.

The cart analogy actually fits really well as unintended, as the cart is H3/TG2 and the horse is YEO 😂

The Yasaka designers with Ma Lin did a really excellent job of synergising YEO with tacky rubbers.