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Harimoto Innerforce Super ALC
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Good day to you sir,
What is the name of Gewo inner Kevlar Koto blade that plays like slower softer Super Viscaria ?
Thank you in advance for your kindly reply.
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I've played with the Harimoto Tomokazu Super ALC for like 4 sessions now and a little with robot (~8-10 hours total). My first impressions of this blade fit with the conventional wisdom of inner vs outer carbon blades (increased dwell time, more gears, better spin generation), as well as the idea of Super ALC (more catapult on big shots). I've been playing Viscaria for two years now so that is the baseline for my comparison. I've been hovering around 1700 USATT but enough about me, now onto the Harimoto Blade...
Something noticeable to me and everyone who tries it... it's a little head heavy, particularly in comparison to my Viscaria-FL. My Harimoto is Anatomic handle, but the slightly wider/oversized head means the rubbers are a little larger and weigh more. It's noticeable in the hand but the extra weight provides some nice oomph on big shots. My HTSALC is 90g I think which is probably more than my Viscaria by 2g+ but I don't know for sure (maybe it's time to get a scale?). If you've used other Harimoto blades then this is nothing new.
I like the anatomic handle. I grip the racket up pretty high so I often felt with flared that my lower fingers were having to pinch too narrow causing them to be too involved. The anatomic handle is a little thicker so my hand is slightly less closed. I'm trying to focus more on thumb and index finger for my shots (with support from middle finger - looser from other two overall).
Anyway, here are my comparisons between the two blades...
Harimoto Tomokazu Super ALC (with Dignics 05 - 2.1 FH and Dignics 80 - 1.9 BH):
- Softer feeling and slightly more time with the ball
- More sensitive to heavy spin but also able to generate spin more easily. Angle matters more on blocks vs heavy spin opens but also allows you to play on top and send a spinnier block back, which has some arc and safety to it. Feels very nice for blocking overall. More of a glove feeling.
- Less sensitive to speed - able to absorb and take some pace off more easily. Slower on slow/weak balls. Top-end power is apparent on big shots and has nice control there. The extra spin generation brings ball down near end-line even with a good amount of speed.
Butterfly Viscaria (Have a sheet of D05/D80 on BH of my blades so I can compare, but had H3 few months FH):
- Quick rebound and crisp feeling. Ball is gone quickly from the racket = time of contact (angle, speed, rigidity, etc.) is very important (less time with ball to adjust trajectory or generate spin).
- Relatively not too sensitive to spin on its own but harder to slow down or control a strong incoming ball with speed and spin. Slightly more range on the block angle for heavy spin, can be more open but this sends back flatter/faster ball (perhaps less safety as the incoming shot crosses a certain power threshold). I block well with my Viscaria but I also just enjoy blocking in general.
I feel enough flex on big forehands on either blade for my needs. I am happy with the additional spin generated on my opens with Harimoto. This helps my backhand open set me up more often, rather than getting countered strongly or blocked effectively. Forehand open feels like I am grabbing the ball and have a split-second more time to spin it compared to Viscaria.
I feel a little more confident in a rally using both sides with the Harimoto because of the softer feeling, particularly on my backhand which is weaker. I've also been focused on improving these shots so can't give the blade much credit but it serves my purposes well here. I don't have enough time with the new racket to say much about serves, short game, etc. I think I can blast through balls better with Viscaria but that's partly due to experience/confidence with it. I like how both blades loop but extra spin and dwell of Harimoto are nice to have.
Note on the rubbers: I find D05-2.1 kinda fast and bouncy, too reactive, on the Viscaria backhand, whereas I feel like I could play it on Harimoto. I think D80 is incredible on Viscaria and it's good on Harimoto (could prob do well with 2.1). I have that in 1.9 on my blades so it's not a direct comparison between rubbers but I think I feel the blades better with 1.9 and I like that the backhand shots don't go quite as long so I can add a little more myself. D05 favors more aggressive and forward spinning over the top of the ball in my opinion, whereas D80 is a little more neutral so it spins, drives, and punches well on the backhand for me. D05 feels more natural and aggressive on FH to me but D80 is good too.
I may try to get an H3 on the FH of Harimoto for a short time just to see but I want to use the Dignics for now. Enjoying the blade and looking forward to using it more. Lot of possibilities!!!
Something noticeable to me and everyone who tries it... it's a little head heavy, particularly in comparison to my Viscaria-FL. My Harimoto is Anatomic handle, but the slightly wider/oversized head means the rubbers are a little larger and weigh more. It's noticeable in the hand but the extra weight provides some nice oomph on big shots. My HTSALC is 90g I think which is probably more than my Viscaria by 2g+ but I don't know for sure (maybe it's time to get a scale?). If you've used other Harimoto blades then this is nothing new.
I like the anatomic handle. I grip the racket up pretty high so I often felt with flared that my lower fingers were having to pinch too narrow causing them to be too involved. The anatomic handle is a little thicker so my hand is slightly less closed. I'm trying to focus more on thumb and index finger for my shots (with support from middle finger - looser from other two overall).
Anyway, here are my comparisons between the two blades...
Harimoto Tomokazu Super ALC (with Dignics 05 - 2.1 FH and Dignics 80 - 1.9 BH):
- Softer feeling and slightly more time with the ball
- More sensitive to heavy spin but also able to generate spin more easily. Angle matters more on blocks vs heavy spin opens but also allows you to play on top and send a spinnier block back, which has some arc and safety to it. Feels very nice for blocking overall. More of a glove feeling.
- Less sensitive to speed - able to absorb and take some pace off more easily. Slower on slow/weak balls. Top-end power is apparent on big shots and has nice control there. The extra spin generation brings ball down near end-line even with a good amount of speed.
Butterfly Viscaria (Have a sheet of D05/D80 on BH of my blades so I can compare, but had H3 few months FH):
- Quick rebound and crisp feeling. Ball is gone quickly from the racket = time of contact (angle, speed, rigidity, etc.) is very important (less time with ball to adjust trajectory or generate spin).
- Relatively not too sensitive to spin on its own but harder to slow down or control a strong incoming ball with speed and spin. Slightly more range on the block angle for heavy spin, can be more open but this sends back flatter/faster ball (perhaps less safety as the incoming shot crosses a certain power threshold). I block well with my Viscaria but I also just enjoy blocking in general.
I feel enough flex on big forehands on either blade for my needs. I am happy with the additional spin generated on my opens with Harimoto. This helps my backhand open set me up more often, rather than getting countered strongly or blocked effectively. Forehand open feels like I am grabbing the ball and have a split-second more time to spin it compared to Viscaria.
I feel a little more confident in a rally using both sides with the Harimoto because of the softer feeling, particularly on my backhand which is weaker. I've also been focused on improving these shots so can't give the blade much credit but it serves my purposes well here. I don't have enough time with the new racket to say much about serves, short game, etc. I think I can blast through balls better with Viscaria but that's partly due to experience/confidence with it. I like how both blades loop but extra spin and dwell of Harimoto are nice to have.
Note on the rubbers: I find D05-2.1 kinda fast and bouncy, too reactive, on the Viscaria backhand, whereas I feel like I could play it on Harimoto. I think D80 is incredible on Viscaria and it's good on Harimoto (could prob do well with 2.1). I have that in 1.9 on my blades so it's not a direct comparison between rubbers but I think I feel the blades better with 1.9 and I like that the backhand shots don't go quite as long so I can add a little more myself. D05 favors more aggressive and forward spinning over the top of the ball in my opinion, whereas D80 is a little more neutral so it spins, drives, and punches well on the backhand for me. D05 feels more natural and aggressive on FH to me but D80 is good too.
I may try to get an H3 on the FH of Harimoto for a short time just to see but I want to use the Dignics for now. Enjoying the blade and looking forward to using it more. Lot of possibilities!!!
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OK, any further discussion from me won't really be a direct comparison to my Viscaria/previous setup, just my thoughts on the HTSALC + D05/D80. Enjoying the new setup so wanted to provide a little more feedback.
Dignics 05 on the forehand is special and working very well with this blade. I am demolishing half-long underspin balls low near the baseline. The strength of initial launch off the racket means it gets over the net fast even when the incoming ball is low/heavy, then spin pulls it down between mid-table and the baseline. Forehand open is key for me (sometimes slow/spinny other times fast/more forward) so this has been great. My blocks on both sides are getting very consistent now after some more practice.
I feel the inner carbon blade is making match and random play easier for me. Like I've said, I have more time with the ball to spin it back and direct it. I can absorb stronger shots more easily. I still have lots of power at my disposal for many types of balls. Happy with the serves and spin I can generate, won't attribute this all to new setup as I've worked on this, but it's certainly working for me.
Dignics 05 on the forehand is special and working very well with this blade. I am demolishing half-long underspin balls low near the baseline. The strength of initial launch off the racket means it gets over the net fast even when the incoming ball is low/heavy, then spin pulls it down between mid-table and the baseline. Forehand open is key for me (sometimes slow/spinny other times fast/more forward) so this has been great. My blocks on both sides are getting very consistent now after some more practice.
I feel the inner carbon blade is making match and random play easier for me. Like I've said, I have more time with the ball to spin it back and direct it. I can absorb stronger shots more easily. I still have lots of power at my disposal for many types of balls. Happy with the serves and spin I can generate, won't attribute this all to new setup as I've worked on this, but it's certainly working for me.
Mine is 87g ST handle. FH is T05 and BH is D80.
I feel is quite a bit slower than Viscaria. And there is a bit of vibration in some shots.
Much spinnier than Viscaria for same effort/racket-angle.
I feel is quite a bit slower than Viscaria. And there is a bit of vibration in some shots.
Much spinnier than Viscaria for same effort/racket-angle.
Got impatient and switched the T05 to D09c on FH.
To me, this is a much better combination. A lot more feeling and control. And TBH higher speed when needed by opening the racket face.
With T05 I didn't have much feeling, D09c has a lot of feeling with this blade.
To me, this is a much better combination. A lot more feeling and control. And TBH higher speed when needed by opening the racket face.
With T05 I didn't have much feeling, D09c has a lot of feeling with this blade.
Anyone can compare the harimoto super alc to the treiber co that is really similar to Freitas ALC.
I would like a blade that is at least as fast but with more feeling as the Freitas ALC and the harimoto salc seems to fit the bill. I’ve tried the fzd alc and found it to be to stiff.
I would like a blade that is at least as fast but with more feeling as the Freitas ALC and the harimoto salc seems to fit the bill. I’ve tried the fzd alc and found it to be to stiff.
Super alc does not offer more feeling, numb but more power when hitting hard
yes but harimoto is inner alc and Freitas is outer alc with limba outer layer. I would think that harimoto super alc would have more feeling.
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some people try my HTSALC blade and say its fast, others say its slow, so i guess that is good...
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I had the same situation with Timo Boll ZLC... But Timo Boll ZLC was a lot better...
First this is the worst feeling blade I ever had and I compare to garaydia alc
Empty-> hard with no feeling without feedback, in the first session I hate that blade right? IT is slow, no feedback, no dwell time, no feeling of spin.
Second session. Bad feelings disappeared. Still no dwell time, still no feedback but the blade start to create the flex and plays really good and easy to Play. My friend has chance to use it on my 2nd session and he said the same words like me after 1st session. He hate that blade
I had the same situation with Timo Boll ZLC... But Timo Boll ZLC was a lot better...
First this is the worst feeling blade I ever had and I compare to garaydia alc
Empty-> hard with no feeling without feedback, in the first session I hate that blade right? IT is slow, no feedback, no dwell time, no feeling of spin.
Second session. Bad feelings disappeared. Still no dwell time, still no feedback but the blade start to create the flex and plays really good and easy to Play. My friend has chance to use it on my 2nd session and he said the same words like me after 1st session. He hate that blade
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I bought one in a butterfly store that weighs 86g which was the lightest, others were between 88-91g. Got a friend who has a harimoto salc in 94g, this feels very fast, has no vibration.
Mine has some vibration, I like that tbh. Played viscaria and boll alc before.
It has much more feeling than both of them and doesn't feel as direct but is also slower above the table and when looping. But smashes still have power, maybe even more than viscaria cuz of the salc.
It feels a lot like the normal harimoto alc, very safe, a lot of dwell time, good feedback but has a bit more kick and power, but still not as much as a viscaria. Slower spinny shots have a lot more spin compared to the viscaria and passive play is very easy, similar to the innerforce alc.
Mine has some vibration, I like that tbh. Played viscaria and boll alc before.
It has much more feeling than both of them and doesn't feel as direct but is also slower above the table and when looping. But smashes still have power, maybe even more than viscaria cuz of the salc.
It feels a lot like the normal harimoto alc, very safe, a lot of dwell time, good feedback but has a bit more kick and power, but still not as much as a viscaria. Slower spinny shots have a lot more spin compared to the viscaria and passive play is very easy, similar to the innerforce alc.
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That must be a fast Harimoto if it is an atomic blade 😆 j/k
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My 40€ Stuor Harimoto vs. My BTY Harimoto Super ALC.
I'll test it tomorrow and throughout the coming weeks.
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